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What HATED or highly disliked movie you ACTUALLY really enjoyed?

The reverse of that post I've made a week ago...

Rules: pick one movie or series and explain why you actually enjoyed it despite the criticism.

For me: The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, by far the best ST stuff ever made, I couldn't take seriously the original universe with the dated effects and stiff acting, same goes for NG... These movies did ST actually great looking and much more believable, not just the effects.

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For me, it's the movie Waterworld. I cannot get enough of that movie. So many people hated it. 🤣
- Haters: it's just Mad Max on water
  Me: that's awesome
- DRY LAND!!!!
  I dont understand the hate other than cosner was the guy to hate in that era.
  
  I've never understood Costner hate. He's a good actor who stars in a lot of good movies.
- I like Waterworld, and I like The Postman.
  
  Postman was great! The book is worth a read, too.
  
  The joke in my friend group was that Waterworld was Dances with Wolves on water. The Postman was Waterworld on land. Dances with Wolves was the Postman with Native Americans. Toss in whichever parallel you feel works best to not actually say the movie you're putting on.
- Solid Film. Quirky characters. Everyone seems to be having fun.
  It inspired me to buy a kayak a few years back to have my Autistic Fish Man Summer.
- If paper is the most valuable substance in the entire world, then why are they continuously smoking cigarettes that are rolled in paper? That would be like eating a chunk of gold every hour.
  
  In my headcanon it's some kind of smokable kelp wrapped in different kelp.
  
  Have you ever smoked? When you're addicted you'd trade in a chunk of gold for a cigarette if necessary.
- Pretty sure when I went to WB world or whatever as a kid they had one of those 15min live shows of it. Jestskis and a few explosions. Surly it can't be thst unpopular.
- It's a fine movie, but people really don't like being reminded of climate change or other environment issues. Same thing with Avatar. If you cast an environmentalist as a villain though, people seem to like it.
- That was the first that came to mind, but I didn't know it was very hated, just thought it bombed at the box office opening weekend because it was in competition with another movie that was way more popular.

Me and about a dozen other people thought John Carter was great. To me, it was just a fun sci-fi/fantasy movie. Never undestood the hate.
- John Carter was only hated by people who follow box office numbers instead of watching movies.
  It was great!
  
  My gal hates it because she's a huge fan of the book and apparently they did the whole of it pretty dirty. One of those, "it's fine if you weren't hoping to see anything that made the book unique" type movies.
  
  I went to see it at noon after dropping the car off for work and was literally the only one in the theatre. I thought it was pretty good.
- Yeah, i tend to agree. It was fun and refreshing. It was just kind of... forgettable.
- Yeah I thought it was a fun movie too. It would have been nice to have gotten another scifi series that was more focused on fun.
- If you want a good read: John Carter and the Gods of Hollywood
  https://www.amazon.com/John-Carter-Hollywood-Michael-Sellers/dp/0615682316
  
  Looks interesting ty!
- John Carter was great. Zero dollars spent on marketing. They thought it was a household name or something because it was a book.
- Me and my wife went to see it and really liked it. Unfortunately I think we were the only couple in the theater at the time. I don’t think it was marketed very well at all by Disney.

For me: The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, by far the best ST stuff ever made, I couldn't take seriously the original universe with the dated effects and stiff acting, same goes for NG... These movies did ST actually great looking and much more believable, not just the effects.

Just kidding... but not really.
- Yeah, to each their own, but if you think this, you don't understand why people like Star Trek.
  
  Maybe I do understand why people like Star Trek, but I just don't like that myself?
  
  Dude if in universe they talk about hyper advanced races or warlords without mercy or AI and all the have is actors in shitty make up or awful "martial arts" and sword fighting, then the new movies are better by default. It's about immersion
- Ngl, I’m with you, holy crap they seem absolutely miserable.
  @Platypus@lemmings.world I say this with all the love for a stranger I can have in my heart:
  I’m Michael Jordan. Stop it, get some help.

The original super Mario bros movie from the 90s. If I come across it I always get the urge to watch it. Its so weird and interesting, love it. Noone in my family will watch it though they hate it :(
- Your family are weird then, that movie is cinematic gold.
  
  They say its too weird :(
- This is mine too. If you haven't, look up the drama on set! The crew wore shirts stating they hate the directors, the actors were drunk, Haskins broke his leg and was in a cast most of the time (rumored to have been run over on set by another drunk actor, lol).
  It's insane and crazy that we got a movie so fun (seriously, it's just so fun even if it doesn't adhere to the source material).
  
  I didnt know about any of that, thanks for the tip!
- Way better than the recent animated movie IMO
  Also the new movie basically ripped the exact premise from the OG

A million ways to die in the west is a solid dumb comedy. The movie has dogshit reviews on every review site but I enjoyed it.
- I unironically really want to see Seth McFarlane do more comedies like this one. It was a blast all the way through.
  
  I can’t believe I want to see him in more sci-fi. I miss the Orville so much.
  For some reason he’s who I pictured in my head when reading Project Hail Mary.
  
  I know! I wish he did more.
- "Ain't nobody have a dollar!"
  "Yeah, show us the dollar!"
  Pulls out a $1 bill; crowd gasps
  "Take your hat off and show some respect, boy, that there's a dollar bill!"
  
  Dad: You're late!
  Seth: Late for fucking what?!
  Dad: Fair Enough
- It's full of good, snappy writing, too. Great skits all throughout.
  
  It's not as good as Ted but still great.
- Huh, I think I didn't know (or just forgot) that it was panned... I liked it, it was fun

Green Lantern. I went in expecting cartoony quips and got what I expected. Everyone calls it a stupid movie like they went in expecting Shakespeare and found the Muppets. I went in expecting a live action comic book, and yeah that's pretty much what I got. Fun show, watched it a few times now.
- No matter how nice you are about Green Lantern, Ryan Reynolds still won’t call you. Don’t ask how I know, it’s a touchy subject.
  
  I know why he's mad, it was a box office disaster. Nothing can fix that short of a time machine.
- I would 100% watch Muppets doing Shakespeare. That's basically what the comedies were in those days anyway.

SOLO - I know everyone hated on this film, but we get a space western mixed with a heist movie. Woody Harrelson and Donald Glover are icing on the cake. Plus we get a robot uprising. 5 bags of popcorn and throw in a couple of those Darth Vader cups.
- I did not enjoy the sequels, but Solo? Yeah, that is a solid fun time. I even have a Solo T-shirt that I still wear on occasion.
- I don't think this is really a hot take. I know quite a few star wars fans and most of them (including me) love Solo, even those who can't stand any of the other new movies.
- For some reason I was thinking you were talking about that Mario Van Peebles movie
- Yea I enjoyed Solo, good popcorn flick
- It's easily the best Star Wars movie in the last 30 years. Its only major faults are some bits of bad cinematography and a bit of cringey fan service.
  
  That's Rogue One.
  I did like Solo, but can't but feel it would have been better had the main character not been Han Solo, because nobody was really going to live up to Harrison Ford in the originals.

Wild Wild West has a 16% on Rotten Tomatoes but I genuinely enjoy that film. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen also at 16% and also a movie I enjoyed
- No way ! WWW is a treasured childhood memory of mine, this rotten tomato guy can suck ass
- League of Extraordinary Gentlemen aka How audiences unjustly bullied Sean Connery out of acting.
  
  Wait, really? That was an excellent movie. I wanted them to build a franchise around it
- Fun fact. Will Smith passed up playing Neo in the Matrix for WWW. I think we got the better deal but it's fun to picture it.
- I can see someone liking League if they'd never read the comic.
  
  I've read the comic. I consider them two different things

The latest matrix. I liked it for the critique that it is.
- I thought it was absolutely hilarious satire, and I laughed at the entire movie. Everyone told kept telling me to be quiet, but I just couldn’t stop laughing.
  It was wonderfully self-aware, and it tore it itself to shreds.
- Yeah, I wasn't that excited about the idea of sequel in the first place, mostly because I didn't think there was much point to one. So when I saw Resurrections I was actually pleasantly surprised, and genuinely enjoyed the different tone and lamposting of the dumbness of unnecessary sequels.
- This movie did not work with me at all. I kinda understand the satirical elements but as a fan of the first film I couldn't stomach it.
- The parts where its clear they were forced to make the ~~video game~~ movie or someone else would is great. The rest is... not good imo. Neo uses the force push every 30 seconds and solves all of his problems.
- As a huge fan of Sense8, I loved the latest Matrix.

Tank Girl, it got shit reviews when it came out, but has grown a cult following since then, https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tank_girl
I am also partial to Dude Where’s My Car
- I don't hate Tank Girl for what it is but for what it could have been. Like that was the greatest casting imaginable for Tank Girl in any era of film and the soundtrack was magical at the time. It had so much potential but got lost due to budget and film industry input
  
  I think the set and costumes are on point for a satirical punk comedy.
- both awesome movies. don't trust "experts", siskel and ebert rated Tommy Boy the worst comedy they'd ever seen. fuck them lol
- I made the mistake of watching dude wheres my car again recently. I enjoyed it as a kid, but the way that trans charcter was done really upset me. I entirely forgot she existed in the movie, but a cis actress who was dubbed with a cis man voice was used to trick the main charcters into making out and then played as gross out humor. Her whole storyline was just flat out upsetting stereotypes.
  The tattoo scene is still a total gem, but the rest of it aged so poorly.
  
  The 90s in general were pretty bad for portrayal of trans and lgb+ characters. Remember Ace Ventura, first one?
  I agree, though, close minded people ruin everything.
- Zoltan!

If you ignore the leads Valerian was an incredible set.
- The desert bazaar sequence was actually tolerable.
  But yes, the art department deserves full recognition.
- Sometimes you just have to turn off expectations towards the story and accept that a movie is worth watching because it is pretty. I first learned this lesson with Speed Racer, but Valorian is another big title for me that falls into this category.
- I don't think that's a particularly hot take. Pretty much everyone thinks that it was good with the minor exception of for a the actors.
- I don't get the fuss about the leads, either. Came in with no preconceptions & thought it was fine. 🤷
  
  It felt like two highschool drama rivals inexplicably got cast in a big budget show piece. I don't know who the characters are, but they had the chemistry and acting skills of porno step siblings.

I don’t think Red One deserved the hate it got. I know everyone is getting tired of Marvel and the Rock, but I thought applying a Christmas theme to the tropes was actually refreshing.
Like not a great movie, but way more watchable than the last few Capeshit flicks I’ve seen.
- The Rock decided that Republicans buy too much of his shitty tequila to risk taking a stand against things like Actual Fascism right around the same time I got fucking exhausted of seeing him everywhere. I’m done with that meathead.
- I did not know anyone really hated that movie, watched it and recommended it to some people. Yeah, the rock not doing it great, but it was a solid film imo, it was an interesting and funny twist on winter mythos. Not great, not worthy of a sequal, but solid.
  
  Same; I've heard nothing but good things about it. My cousin raved about it for so long on Christmas that I downloaded a copy and streamed it from my phone to my aunt's TV. Everyone loved it.

You asked for one, but I've got two hills to die on, sorry.
Solo: A Star Wars Story was a lot of fun and I thought it was a solid entry. I didn't really like the Sequels or Prequels, but Rogue One and Solo both stuck out as good titles to me.
Lightyear was a good movie. I really enjoyed it and didn't really understand why it got so much flak.
- Solo is a great movie. I know it tried a little too hard to answer every question ever about Solo’s backstory, but apart from a clunk here and there, it’s exactly what the idea of “A Star Wars Story” should have been. I would have signed up for more.
- Solo was great. Haters will always find flaws.
- Lightyear was great.
- I actually liked the prequels, and I think they were far better than the stuff they're making now.
  
  Same, I grew up with those movies and along with LotR are some of my all time favorites

Lots of people love to hate Cloud Atlas. I see it as flawed work of art with a good message and an amazing cast, produced under such nearly impossible circumstances that we are more than lucky it ever saw the light of day.
- I can watch really bad movies as long as the score is good, and cloud atlas has a banger score. How they weave the different timelines while playing that music really does it for me. I've watched it a few times and now that you reminded me I'll probably watch it again soon.
- It has one of the coolest trailers ever
  https://youtu.be/hWnAqFyaQ5s
- The concept behind Cloud Atlas made for a much better movie than book, IMHO.
  Having the same actor play the same part in each time made following the plot easier, at least for me. The book was a bit of a slog at times and following each characterization was confusing.
  Plus some of the casting in the movie was really good. Jim Brodbent in particular, I thought, delivered a spectacularly good performance.
  
  You're probably right. I've never read the book.
  Having the same actor play the same part in each time made following the plot easier, at least for me.
  This is what I expected to see on first watch, and was a bit confused that at least some actors did actually "switch sides" between timelines. Going by interviews, it seems this was possibly meant to reflect an evolution of souls. But to me the message of the movie works just as well, if not better, if you leave out the concept of persistence of souls or individuals altogether, accept that some of them just look similar, and think more in terms of repeating patterns and ideas across eras.
  Jim Brodbent in particular, I thought, delivered a spectacularly good performance.
  Hard agree. His contemporary and light-hearted "shady publicist to nursing home jail break" plotline also really worked well to ground the movie in between epic-dramatic segments.
- I absolutely loved Cloud Atlas and I was crying at the end. I didn't know anything about it, didn't know about the book, didn't know it was hated until now. Just a movie that I liked the trailer for, so I watched it and I'm glad I did.
  
  Not universally hated by any means. But there are plenty of people that expect a movie to fit a certain Hollywood formula, which includes not challenging your audience too much. And so they judge movies by standards that an epic artistic endeavor like Cloud Atlas was never trying to meet.
  Also the whole "gender- and race-bending" made some people uncomfortable, even though it's merely the same actors portraying completely different characters.
  Add to this that certain influential studio voices in Hollywood had previously rejected the project outright when they were first approached by the Wachowskis. So it was clear they would never give it a fair shake after it was produced in Europe, against their judgment and without their blessing, and under such unconventional circumstances.
- What's the message? I didn't really catch any, besides some notions about souls, reincarnation and sex not being fixed.
  
  The things you mention are narrative elements. The message is repeated almost like a mantra throughout the movie, and later revealed or summarized as the 'prophetic' words of Son-Mi:
  Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.
  This is the core thesis of the movie, standing in direct opposition to the various antagonists' ideology, which can be summed up as self-serving nihilism and upholding the status quo of might makes right / the natural order by any means.
- Check out Mr. Nobody (2009) if you liked Cloud Atlas.
- Ain't that the tru-tru.
- It needed to be like 4 hours longer to capture the feel of the book. Some of the actors didn’t have the range to pull off all their parts which caused some sequences to fall flat. It’s still good though, I remember hearing a lot of positive things about it.
- Man, I love that movie totally unironically. Cannibal Hugh Grant, dude.

Dune (1984)
- I didn't know people hated this movie. I think it's better than the new sand movie we got.
  
  I really like the two news ones too!
  
  I walked out after part 1 saying, “What did I learn in that movie that I didn’t learn in the first half of the other one?” I mean, the new one is nicer to look at, but the first 2 parts already out cover the 84 version in like 3x the run time!
- The Lynch movie is what the characters will always look like in my head. I liked the Syfy miniseries too (which I watched shortly after reading the books). And I also like the new movies.
- I thought most people loved that garbage.
  
  And how!
  It's glorious garbage.

Matrix 2 & 3. I don't see, or watch, them as separate movies. Rather, together with Matrix 1, they form one big masterpiece for me. But I can see that it doesn't really fit the 100 minutes format audiences came to expect, and breaking it in three parts did not do it any good. Plus, I guess I'm just a fan of long movies as I've also sat through the original, restored "Until the End of the World," which runs for about 5 hours.
- Matrix 2 and 3 were films that always got a bad rep, but were alright if you sat down and watched them.
  Matrix 4 is.... best left forgotten, and I say that as someone who likes Indy 4
- When I binged all 3 movies I realised that 2 and 3 should be watched together as a single film, it makes it so much better
- Yea I'm with you on this. They expand on an otherwise superb unit in a rather intricate way, bringing in so much lore and characters, complexifying the stakes, that I can see how they can be perceived as diluting a very pure work of art, and losing the beautiful esoterism of the first. But it's two of those films you need to watch several times to wrap your head around and appreciate rightfully. Just like The Big Lebowski, in a different way
- I get quite annoyed when people talk trash about 2 and 3. If it’s not for you then that’s fine but saying they’re not good really gets under my skin.

I'm taking a big risk after experiencing your last post, but... I actually really loved Prometheus. Alien is in my top 5 movies list, but I still enjoyed it.
- I don't get the hate for it. It's weird, tense, spooky and exciting with good looking scenes and interesting characters. It's not a perfect film by any stretch but I goddamn love a psychopathic robot any day.
  
  I don't like the thesis of the movie. It had everything going for it, but the script. Ridley Scott seems to not like scientists seeing as how every scientist dies an ironic death.
- I will give massive props to Riddley for taking a big risk and pushing into a new direction. I suspect massive meddling by the studios. Prometheus had a lot of interesting concepts that just never got a chance to be fleshed out fully. My guess Covenant was going to be the response to that but something happened between the two movies because Covenant is completely divorced thematically and story wise from Prometheus. I'm sorry Riddley never got a chance to live out this interesting new universe.
- I notice that a big percentage of "hated" movies tie in with existing fan-bases. New movies in existing franchises, book adaptations, etc. Guess people go in with certain expectations and hate it when those are not met.
  I didn't know Prometheus was supposed to tie in with the Alien series (which I loved), so I had no expectations related to that. I enjoyed the movie and I was surprised at the end to see what looked like a Xenomorph.
  That being said, I also have my share of movies I hated because they didn't live up to my expectations from the books. I love the Harry Potter movies, but I was disappointed by how much they left out. I couldn't watch The Expanse past the first couple of episodes because of how much was changed. And then there's Foundation, which so ridiculously misses the mark that I'm able to enjoy as a series that just happens to share a title and some character names with the books, but is otherwise an unrelated story.

I like all the Terminator movies. All of them. Time travel, killer robots, Arnold; I know it's wrong but I can't help myself.
- Weren't the terminator movies insanely popular?
  Edit: i was thinking just the original 2 or 3 movies my bad. I don't even think I saw the ones after that.
  
  The quality dropped off a cliff after Terminator 2. This guy says he likes all of them.
  
  The trilogy, yeah.
  But they make up like half of the total now?
- I can see liking everything up to Salvation, but the last two movies are mostly just lazy cash grabs.
  
  I actually enjoyed Dark Fate well enough. It made some ballsy decisions and at least made a modicum of sense.

Lady in the Water by M. Night. I think its an amazingly crafted fairy tale.
- Upvoting you out of sheer respect, but wow I can't believe there is someone out there that enjoyed that hot garbage.
  
  Oh I get shit on for it all the time if I mention it. I stand by it lol.
- I cannot remember a single thing about the movie except that I recall loving the way in which the story was told but hating the story itself.
  
  All I remember is a dude with one jacked arm
- The marketing really fucked up the movie. I also really liked it but I watched after looking up what it was actually about
  
  I didn't really like it, but it was neat, original and it told an interesting modern folktale.

I really like Wild Wild West, I didn't watch it for forever because of how hated it is/was but thought it was actually funny and enjoyed the mix of steampunk and goofyness. Kevin Kline is always great.
I also like Jingle All the Way and watch it every few years, it's perfectly watchable until the very end when it collapses under a terrible CGI spectacle that just doesn't work
- I loved Will Wild West. It was just over hyped when it came out and the theme song got old fast. Other than that it was actually a solid movie.
- Jingle all the way is dumb, fun Christmas comedy. I enjoy it annually.
- Fun fact:
  Will Smith was the first actor approached by the Wachowskis to be Neo in the Matrix.
  He turned it down to work on Wild Wild West, and the role of Neo went to Keanu.

So many movies but let's go with: Ghostbusters 2016. I had an absolute blast watching it and Chris played one of the best himbos of all time
- Ghostbusters 2016 is under appreciated for what it accomplishes over the original, the recent one with the grandkids is so generic and bland.
- My only real problem with it is that despite being all-woman led, it fails to be a feminist movie because Chris Hemsworth steals every scene he is in! Other than that it was fine. Not great but watchable
  
  What? No, it's a female gaze movie through and through. Like George of the Jungle back in the day
- Ya, I didn't think it was great but it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be. It was fine.

I love The Polar Express.
The most widely hated thing about it is the mocap. Not much to say here, I'm just straight-up not bothered by it. I think it looks fine. It's not incredibly expressive like a stylized animated film could be, but it doesn't look actively bad to me in any way.
The way the titular express inexplicably gains and loses rolling stock scene by scene and behaves in absurd ways like bending around the mountain are a common punchline. "BuT iT's A mAgIc TrAiN!!!" doesn't really solve it for me either. But on a casual viewing it's mostly inoffensive. A silly curiosity.
Some say the plot of the film spends too much time aimlessly noodling around and throwing in needless filler scenes. Meh. If you ask me that's where all the meat of the film is. The actual plot of the film has nothing interesting to say. "Kid doesn't believe in Santa. Magic Christmas hijinks ensue. Kid believes in Santa now. The end." Riveting. Nah, the so-called "filler" is absolutely the meal here.
The fact that the film literally has five named characters, and the main character isn't one of them is hilarious. To even get to that number you have to count both the Scrooge puppet and the kid who the elves were monitoring in a single scene as characters, and after that, one of the remaining three is Santa Claus. Just more weight to my point that the story doesn't matter, lmao.
Say what you will about the animation, but the cinematography is incredible. So many dynamic long-track camera shots from interesting angles. Especially whenever the steam locomotive is on screen. God, steam locomotives are so fucking cool. I don't even care that it's full of inaccuracies if you actually look up close. They put a lot of effort into it and that effort shows. It's quite the treat.
The set design of the North Pole is fantastic. It's admittedly kinda fucked that it's modeled after a real world Pullman company town, but I guess it's appropriate as a joke about the whole Santa's workshop thing while also incorporating a neat little nod to real life railroad lore. Beyond that, it's blindingly radiant of all that Victorian-era charm that most of the modern secular Christmas tradition is born from. The serene night snow amidst the rustic red brickwork illuminated by glowing amber gaslamps... augh, it's so aggressively cozy!
All the pneumatic and other steampunk-adjacent elf tech is a treat as well. The film is certainly no slouch in breathing its own unique spin of whimsy into Santa's toy factory. It's not the most whimsical out there, but it's definitely putting in work.
Alan Silvestri's score is phenomenal. It's all delightfully extra. Every single song in the film that's an original composition is a banger and every song that isn't an original composition for the film is part of that time-tested canon of hits from the 50s and 60s. I think a lot of people are fed up sick of the latter but, I dunno, I grew up listening to them on my Now That's What I Call Christmas CD, and to me their sound is synonymous with that warm, nostalgic holiday cheer I get from the season. Even if I don't get around to actually watching the movie, you know damn well I'm putting The Polar Express's soundtrack in my December shuffle.
Genuine S tier Christmas film. Well worth every single fault.
- YEEEAAAAAHHHHH!!! Polar Express rocks. It's not necessarily good, but it is awesome.
- I never understood the hate for it either. Sure, the animation is a bit dated and has some uncanny valley, but it's a fun family movie.
  Also has the greatest scene in cinema history: the train that drifts on ice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdoHpU_a8U
  
  For your unhinged pleasure, if you haven't yet experienced.
- That movie feels more ridiculous every time I watch it. I still like it though. One thing that's always stuck out to me is the sound design. You practically don't even need to literally watch it, the soundstage is so detailed that it's practically like I'm there just by hearing it. All the little grunts and rattles of the train just so fucking cool
- It's funny, I hadn't watched it since I was a kid and it was on at my families house by chance during Christmas, I could not get through how uncanny valley it all looks.

Not sure if it was HATED, but Hook if we're going by reviews. I can't imagine any kid seeing that movie and not loving it though.

The mid-2000s A-Team movie comes to mind. It was terrible. The casting was off and there was no real plot to speak of. However, it was so much over the top that it turned pretty funny actually. I probably won't be watching it a second time though.
- They fly a tank - it's perfect!
  
  You can't fly a tank foo'!
- Murdoch was dead on. I thought face was pretty good. Liam did a decent Hannibal and BA was fine.
  What irked me was this weird back story of like... trying to let face taking over to lead the group sort of thing, plus the romance. It really rubbed me the wrong way.
  Like, the A team isn't some club, they're this perfect storm of chaos towards bad guys, there isn't so much a hierarchy as just this inexplicable plot armor and audacity. If it wasn't all four it would all fall apart.
- Man I'd forgotten about that film but I also really enjoyed it. It was fully self aware and made no attempt to take itself seriously, and if you're in the right mindset for that then it's a great time.
  Might have to watch it again.
- You've just reminded me this is a thing, and I'm going to get high and watch it today.

Super Mario Bros. with Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo. I don't care how bad it is. It's in the campy so-bad it's good pool of movies and nothing anyone says can change my mind. The fact that they were drunk off their asses just makes it even funnier in my opinion.

Johnny Mnemonic. Keanu cannot act for shit in it, the story isn't exactly gripping, hell the action in it is somewhere in the shitter. Oh, and Henry Rollins is a nerdy doctor. All if it adds up to a campy trip of slop that triggers my guilty pleasure.
- People consider it a bad movie? News to me
- Watching this as a kid that scene where he puts on cyber gloves and hacks his own brain was a wild ride. It's so ridiculous but still better than much of the "hacking" Hollywood depicts as far as entertainment goes.

I personally liked Jamie Fox as Electro.

Waterworld and Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.
Waterworld is ocean Fallout and RHPoT is fucking meme central. Plus RH is my childhood nostalgia movie, I've probably watched it over a couple hundred times just on VHS.

Freddie Got Fingered was completely panned when it came out, but I absolutely loved it! It was so ahead of its time, Tim and Eric-style comedy.
- Couldn't agree more. Freddy Got Fingered is the cultest of classics. RedLetterMedia's take on it is great (YouTube link not provided)
  
  I’ll check it out! I went in knowing nothing except that it’s the “worst movie ever” and I laughed sooooo hard throughout!
- loved it too, got the DVD out of a $5 bin
- GORD! GORDY!!!

Star Wars Ep 1 gets more hate than it deserves. It's not a masterpiece by any means, but it's enjoyable.
- I feel this way about TFA but the next two deserve the hate
  
  The prequel trilogy at least had a singular vision, even if it probably got diverted at times. TFA started a new trilogy, but got derailed. TLJ had some interesting ideas, but not ideas for the second part of a trilogy.
  
  TFA and ROS are pretty good, but TLJ is a film where you keep waiting for something to happen, and when it finally does (Canto Bight) it has not a god damn thing to do with anything else.
  TFA and ROS are fine pieces of Star Wars media in a wonderful trilogy, that's missing a second movie...
- I changed my tune on the prequels, after seeing some fan edits. And especially seeing some of the original cuts of A New Hope, before Marcia Lucas fixed it, I’m convinced the prequels just need a solid re-edit to make them amazing.

John Carter

i always thought the last jedi was one of the best star wars films
- I feel like it had good scenes but was a bad movie.
  
  Good A plot, bad B plot, and a C plot that should have been cut entirely.
- Fully agreed

Cats (2019). The story is good, the music is good, the casting is good. People made it a huge meme cause of the CGI, but even that is pretty well done. It has a beautiful story, and if you're a pet lover like me, it really makes you emotional. Its also fucking insane. The entire time you watch it, you just go "people spent years of their life and millions to make this". Its a very surreal experience. I've also haven't met a person who has watched the movie and didn't like it.
To be fair, I haven't met anyone who has watched the movie
- I was a fan of the musical long before the movie, and the movie was meh. The celebrity performances ranged from yuck to average, and the attempts at added humor were way off.
  But I can't see how it could be translated into a movie much better (I missed Growltiger's last stand, and felt Beautiful Ghosts detracted from Memory as the emotional peak). Dancers in tights would look ridiculous (and we have the 1998 "movie" for that), and any more realistic cats would remove what little remains of the physicality on film.
  So no issues with the maligned CGI, would watch again, no match for the adorably ridiculous stage show.

Joker: Folie à Deux
If you’re not a Joker fanboy and have an open mind, this is a damn good film.

This is kind of a cheat, as it's been significantly re-evaluated since its release, so I'm not alone, but IMO Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me is a masterpiece - it was HATED when it came out though, and even now I suspect there's a lot of people who would say the same.
- Fire Walk With Me was huge in Japan. There was Twin Peaks mania at the time. This is a great news story at the time about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX4OhvkkHR4

I like Ad Astra. People hate it because they view it as a shitty scifi with lots of plot holes, but I view it from the perspective of brad pitt is actually in therapy in hypnosis or whatever to address the issues he has with his father, and the movie is really the journey through his mind and all the roadblocks and barriers he's built up internally. Then the plot holes seem reasonable and less relevant.
- I thought this movie was received well? It's such a beautiful film that lingers with you for a while after. And the cinematography is superb
  
  Maybe, it's got a 6.5 on IMDb, and I remember people complaining about it being a bad scifi, but maybe that was just a small group, idk

Crystal Skull
- Why do people rag on the fridge bit? It's the most plausible bit of the film up to that point!

The Postman. Compared to other post apocalyptic cheese fests it feels like a more nuanced display of societal breakdown and the re-emergence of the barter economy.

It's not hated, it's squarely in the middle of 'video game movies' (so probably lower than middle to the general public) but one of my favorite movies, far and away my favorite video game movie, is 'Rampage' with Dwayne Johnson and Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
I can't fathom how anyone could not enjoy that flick.
I also genuinely enjoyed 'the crew' (2002?) which most people seem to dislike (it was around 15% on rotten tomatoes last I checked)

Wild wild west. I wish to be entertained.

“Freddy Got Fingered”. Not a masterpiece but I found it hilarious. Was surprised it was rated so low online 🤷‍♂️
- Daddy, would you like some sausages?
  
  Daddy would you like some sausage? Daddy would you like some sausages?
  One of my favorite movie scenes
  We've got Tom Green, Harlan Williams, and the rip Rip Torn
  Any time Tom Green comes up in conversation I have to also link this gem: Tom Green freestyling
  Since I'm on the topic, other favorite clips are:
  https://youtu.be/p8aTHf01OFo And this one: https://youtu.be/pZAckMNSKWU (For the impatient)
  Roger is by far my favorite character in any show so I suppose I'm a little biased
- I don't think I've seen it since in came out, in that era when Tom Green was at the too of his career and i was a teenager. I'm curious how it holds up now, but I have a feeling that I won't enjoy it anymore.
  
  You gotta like dumb humor, and I mean a step down from the Seth Rogan and friends type of movies lol.
  If you don’t enjoy those, probably won’t enjoy FGF anymore.

I thought Waterworld was fine.

Freddy Got Fingered! I laughed until my sides hurt. I don't even care for Tom Green's street material all that much, but that movie is hilarious and I will defend it.
It's batshit insane, the bits are infectious, and every scene is memorable as fuck. The soundtrack is insanely good as well. There's a theory that he didn't want to make this movie, and it's a giant middle finger to the studio. Not only do I believe this, but I think Tom Green really carried that bit all the way, making one of the most ridiculous comedies of all time.
- I'm the backwards man!
  I think it was ahead of its time.
- Daddy would you like some sausages 🤣

Jupiter Ascending. It was a low writing effort but big budget high fantasy with a slightly too perfect protagonist, "science" that makes absolutely 0 sense, and a cartoonishly evil villain just absolutely chewing the scenery which is pretty common, except most most of the time the protagonist is male. I loved seeing the equivalent of my 13 y/o mary sue fanfiction on a movie screen with a massive budget (edit: and channing tatum as her loyal dog consort-boyfriend). Just this once. More than that would get as tired just as quickly as the male equivalent. But just this once it was delicious. I have the poster framed actually, the real poster from the theater, my friend who worked there saved it for me.
- How could you not mention the cat ears on the male love interest? Easily the most iconic part
  
  I was trying to figure out how to fit in everything I love about the male love interest without making it sound weird but lbr after putting up with female love interests in movies like this for years we all earned Channing Tatum as a dog consort-boyfriend.
- This is one of my comfort movies. I really wish it had done well and I feel like the marketing team dropped the ball on it. The whole bureaucracy navigation montage was a fun ride.
  
  Its my dream to write an epic ballad about four people attempting to navigate such a planet except its been recently renovated to be candyland themed to be easier and more pleasant to access (it is not). One dude is trying to get a copy of the deed to his dad's farm on a distant planet, one dude is trying to find out if he passed the CDL exam for interstellar cargo hauling, and the last is a moderately rich kid trying to get his license reinstated after a DUI.
- As someone who absolutely loved Cloud Atlas, I read the reviews for Jupiter Ascending hoping to be blown away yet again and I just couldn't bring myself to even watch it. Considering The Matrix Resurrections was so bad I almost left the theater, I thought I chose right... Wachowskis have repeatedly missed the mark lately. Maybe I'll give it a watch anyway.
  
  I mean it's not good. It's a gas station hot dog (terrible but surprisingly tasty when you're drunk) the same as that sort of thing is with a male protagonist, but it's fun to watch when that's all you're watching it for and just this once it's nice to see a girl to do it for a change.

So many. For an example, the Star Wars Sequels (and Prequels). I think they were fine. Okay, 8 dropped a bit and had a lot of bad moments, but altogether, they were enjoyable. I had fun watching them.
Are they Oscar worthy? No. Not at all, not by a long shot, but I had fun.
I think we as a society are way too polar, it's either good or bad, trash or perfect. I think we've lost sight that things can simply be good, or fun. I had fun watching those movies. I don't think Rise of Skywalker wasted my time. Could it have been better? Of course. Was the writing lazy? Definitely at times. Did I enjoy watching it? Yes.
- Agree with all of this, other than the prequels, which I really didn't like.
  
  I don't like you either
- Overall, I tend to just be happy to be watching anything star wars. None of the movies are that deep, I'm just in it to watch space wizards with laser swords flying around in space ships with robot sidekicks battling evil. As long as most of those boxes get checked, I'm pretty happy with any star wars media, and in my mind I'm right back to being a little kid watching Star wars for the first time. Anything more is just icing on the cake.
  Now I can absolutely rank them and admit that some of them are better movies than others, and the sequels and prequels definitely drop the ball on that in a lot of ways
  And while on the whole, the sequels and prequels aren't great movies (arguably the OT aren't even great movies if we're being totally objective) I think that in a lot of ways they do a better job at universe building by dropping hints at other parts of the galaxy that we don't get to explore right then and there, they just do a shitty job of following through on them and tying them together into a coherent narrative.
  I think that just about any part of episode 8 for example could have been expanded out into a pretty cool movie or show, there was a lot to work with there, they just didn't work together as the same movie
  The force dyad thing between Rey and Kylo is pretty fucking cool
  Casino heist or spycraft movies are a pretty tried and true movie formula, I probably would have saved it for something like a Solo movie, or maybe Andor. The stuff about the military industrial complex profiting off of selling weapons to both sides could work for either of them. Han is from Cornelia, where the arms dealers are building a lot of these battleships and such, and it's also established that he's a gambler so a casino makes sense for him, or Andor could work well with the gritty political side of things.
  Fucking broom kid! Let's get more non-jedi non-sith force sensitives
  Finn was just criminally underutilized all-around
  The Holdo maneuver was pretty fucking badass
  You can argue about how the bombing run doesn't make sense from a physics perspective, or was tactically stupid, but it was a cool scene nonetheless
  I could go on, I think you could build out a pretty decent movie, show, or at least an episode or two of a show from any of those ideas if they just committed to the idea

I'm not even going to call it a guilty pleasure, but Josie and the Pussycats was a movie that I genuinely adored long before people started to appreciate it for the satire that it is.
As a CIS male I got endlessly mocked, but I stuck to my guns.

I really like Alien: Covenant. Micheal Fassbender is fantastic in that movie.
\ Awesome cinematography, awesome vibe, awesome creatures and Aliens, and a fantastic ending.\
It’s my second favorite Alien movie.
\ Okay, thanks to that statement the flamethrowers are gonna come out; let me explain:
Alien is a nigh untouchable masterpiece.
Alien: Covenant
Aliens is a good movie. I don’t quiet like it as much as an Alien-Movie and also am generally not that big of a fan as quite a lot of people seem to be.
Alien Romulus. Okay, nice movie I guess. The are some plot holes like: How do they know Ridley threw the Xenomorph out of the airlock? She is still in Cryosleep. But generally quite enjoyable. Jumping Facehuggers are a nice touch.
Prometheus. I also don’t dislike this one. Even though they got lost in the weeds on this one a bit.
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Alien 3: Bad.
Alien Resurrection: Utter Garbag.

Trap - Absolutely ridiculous movie with an insane plot. Basically a promo for the director's daughter to launch a pop star career IRL. It should be distasteful, and it is, however it was such dumb fun I'm ignoring all of those bad points.
- I liked it too, josh hartnett is entertaining to watch!
- my teen and i really enjoyed this movie. so absurdly stupid and a lot of fun!

Lots of people hated Avatar (the blue aliens, not arrow forehead boy), but I loved that movie so much that I saw it twice in IMAX 3d.
- It was one of the highest grossing movies of all time. Pretty much everyone loved that movie.
  
  I've only ever read negative opinions of the movie in online communities. I suppose the types of communities I'm a part of aren't indicative of the general public, case in point, Lemmy.

I’m sure the films would have been far far far better received if they hadn’t completely trashed almost every single character trait that had been established over decades and decades of world building. He took an established ip and tore it to bits to make a film. If he’d have given the characters different names no one would’ve known it was a Star Trek film. The new films have literally no continuity with all that came before. I think that’s where the hate comes from.

Hamlet 2 is genuinely hilarious, and I watch it far more often than I should.
- Hamlet 2 was a great movie, you're right. Introduced my to Tuscon Arizona
- Rock me, sexy jesus.

Oh, man, where to start. I mean, the Kelvin Trek movies are definitely not the best Trek, but I do enjoy all of them. But speaking of contrarian appreciation, I think most of Star Trek Discovery is also pretty solid, barring perhaps the very last season.
I'm partial to Lynch's Dune, too. Maybe I just got used to it over time?
In the least hip stance possible, I actually think there are very few bad Marvel movies and most are worth at least a cheerful watch (not you, Doctor Strange 2, you suck).
- Discovery was such a waste of potential. They kept killing off the interesting characters and promoting the least interesting ones. Then the secret to saving the universe one season was rescuing a crying lonely alien. 🙄
  
  He was more the cause of the end of the world than the solution, but yeah.
  I thought it was... fine? I mean, not the most well rounded thing in Trek history, but fine.
  Discovery suffered from being just fine after having to deal with massive backlash for trying to be different. That and carrying a season-long arc while trying to be a Trek TV show in between the movie bits.
  But I would absolutely watch any of the first four seasons of Disco than any part of Picard. Any day. Season five is a mess and I really don't vibe with their take on spirituality, but that's mostly just me.

Alien Covenant.
People talk about the characters being unrealistic, I think they're just different to movie characters and normal humans.
I really enjoyed the film.

The twilight movie series. I've watched the entire thing at least 3 times, still love it. Meme scenes aside, they're actually quite nice

I loved the FNAF movie
- It's great for those of us that love fnaf stuff

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