Most of us hate Microsoft, and yet many of us use VSCode
Most of us hate Microsoft, and yet many of us use VSCode
I get that it's open source provided you use codium not code but I still find that interesting
At least use VSCodium which is VSCode without telemetry/tracking ...
My bigger problem is many swear on FLOSS, but using Apple is OK. Go to a FLOSS conference and there are Macs everywhere.
It's undeniable that Microsoft has had positive influences on the opensource world with language servers, debug adapter protocol, an inbrowser editor that is seemingly embedded in any website with a code editor, cross-platform C# (maybe that's a curse though, I dunno), linux contributions, and probably more I'm not aware of. Apple... I dunno. Vendor lock-in and more electronic trash?
Your daily reminder that VSCode is shit not because of telemetry (take your time foil hat off for one second and hear me out and I say that jokingly with love) but because the extension marketplace is not allowed to be accessed by third party tools (INCLUDING CODIUM) and even then many of the extensions are proprietary, closed source. You're not even allowed to distribute compiled VSIX files. It's disgusting. Reading about the troubles gitpod faced that led to the (now) Eclipse Marketplace (idk the name, but it's for VS Code plugins, don't be tricked, it's just owned by Eclipse foundation) is disheartening.
Its not only Microsoft crap, its also an Electron app!
I use Kate.
"Most of us hate microsoft" is honestly a pretty bold claim. They're just a company that makes software. The vast majority of the world's Linux users--which is to say, professionals who build or manage software that runs in Linux--don't care about them one way or another.
This sub might have an ideological skew, but you still don't know what people in here think about Microsoft.
This reminds me of when my dad holds an ideological belief about something based on politicians he doesn't like who support it.
"Climate change isn't real because Al Gore..."
"Supply Side Jesus isn't valid because Al Franken..."
"Affirmative Action is racist because Al Sharpton..."
Actually now that I think about it, maybe he just doesn't like people named Al...🤔
But anyway, if it's open source, and the source is sufficiently audited by third parties, and I'm able to compile and run it myself, and running it doesn't have undesired behavior (telemetry etc) then I don't care who wrote it, because it does exactly what I need it to.
Well it's really noob friendly. The introductory courses in programming all tell you to use it and it takes some time and experience to find alternative editors that 1. you like better, and 2. won't confuse you more than the course itself does.
I used to use VSCodium and the Vim extension. Then I downloaded Neovim and started configuring it, but I was never really satisfied with the config. Then I found Doom Emacs. It was pretty much the thing I tried turning Neovim into.
But I wouldn't recommend Doom Emacs to a first-year student that is still learning the fundamentals.
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It's a tool. You use the best tool available. Getting your day job done is your bottom line, you can't afford to be any less productive. If you're a foss coder doing it on your own time, go crazy. Using the most efficient tool isn't the same thing as supporting a company's bad practices, the real world isn't black and white.
ITT people having their minds blown by the fact the creator and the creation are two different things.
My hate for Microsoft is based on the Embrace-Extend-Extinguish business tactics they use since the 80's instead of competing on product quality.
Take a look at the recent computing history and you'll find plenty of examples of great software killed by MS shitty alternatives that were the default because of the stranglehold on the OS market.
Which goes to show that we don't blindly hate Microsoft, and that it's not that we refuse to use Windows because it's made by them, but because it's shit.
It’s hard to separate yourself from it when the company you work for uses it heavily and leans on some of the extensions for things like containers.
I used to be a hardcore Sublime Text user until it started formatting all of my code like garbage. I had plugins conflicting with each other and couldn’t find alternatives that did what I needed without clashes happening. Plus, barely anything is alive over on the Sublime side.
It’s hard to say no to an editor with that big of a community. You can find 100 plugins for your one need, vs 2 on the Sublime side (and you end up finding that those 2 plugins haven’t been updated in years).
You can always fallback to VSCodium.
I just want Atom back, or anything that works like it. I want a text editor with a folder tree browser. Syntax highlighting is nice. And decent full project text search.
I use vim for writing code, and atom for taking notes, or just reading code. Then they shut down atom and it sucks.
I hate that I need to dedicate so much time to finding new tools in tech. It’s nice that vim doesn’t change.
You use whatever works best for you. Microsoft Lens, on Android, is still unmatched for scanning, correcting perspective, and cleaning up whiteboards. No OSS tool comes close - and, believe me, I tried to use others (or, other; I think OpenScan is the only thing that attempts something similar). It would be foolish to not use a tool that you like using and doesn't have any hidden consequences, merely because of on opinion.
I don't think VSCode is particularly good, myself, but the point remains: it's free, I haven't heard anything about it surreptitiously sending info to MS, and if it works for people, then great.
I feel like microsoft's gameplan is less "everyone must use windows" these days and more "we want to gatekeep tech on as many levels as possible". I'm wary of relying on anything they put out. I think we've all recently seen what big tech companies do when they decide its time to monetize more aggressively.
Right now helix is pretty good for what I do with it.
I wouldn't say I "hate" Microsoft (or Apple, or Google), but I recognize the harm they do to the free software movement and to the technology world in general. I wouldn't avoid a good quality free software just because it's made by a GAFAM company (as long as I stick with the free parts and avoid proprietary extensions), just like I wouldn't use proprietary software just because it's not made by GAFAM.
The point isn't to hate GAFAM but to seek freedom and control over your computing.
I'll be interested to see how JetBrains's Fleet works out. I like Rider a lot more than full Visual Studio (also Rider is actually available on Linux).
VSCodium: https://vscodium.com/
I use vscodium btw.
Agreed, I share the same frustration (including for Chromium) as if developers were somehow blissfully ignorant of the political and economical power they give away to company that use and abuse their work, truly self flagellating.
If you're a true MS hater you can't use TypeScript either. /sarcasm
If you work as developer, depending on where you work at using code editors with features like remote SSH is a must. If you are just a hobbyist even coding on Nodepad++ will do.
Vim. viiiiiiiiim
Vscode, the chrome browser with a ide suit. No thanks
And vscode doesn't even work properly. The amount of colleagues I have using it for C++ and they can't even get intellisense working with the f-ing thing. It's bonkers they work that way. It takes them ages to do anything, and its not a case of them being super experienced and not needing those aides.
It's definitely one of those "a broken clock is still right twice a day" situations. It's a good product and I find it invaluable for PowerShell scripting. I have, however, been trying to dial in emacs for PowerShell.
I use neovim for the vast majority of the programming I do but I do still have VSCode installed. Maybe I should just delete it? I opened it after I saw this post and there was a whole bunch of extension updates just sitting there.
Kinda wish GNOME builder was a bit better at being a general purpose editor. That's just because I'm a bit of a GNOME/GTK pervert though and I would love to use a sexy looking app for dev work.
Not me, i use and like a lot QtCreator... Granted, i work with C/C++ so... But its Open Source, cross-platform, has tons of integeations with analyzers debuggers and various tools.
Kdevelop never triggered my bells and CodeBlocks just doesnt feels right for me, but thats me.
For everyrhing else vim or kate depending on how i feel.
vim and neovim actually hold a pretty significant marketshare on Linux. a lot of developers use MacOS or Windows, so what does it matter if one more small thing is proprietary? It obviously does matter, but people don't think of it that way.
Because it's one of the few good microsoft products
i use sublime instead
I'm thinking of ditching it. It's been pretty awful lately. A lot of the official extensions I relied on have regressed to the point of being useless.
Also, releasing a FLOSS editor and then forcing you to use a proprietary build with telemetry if you want to debug .NET code is the most Microsoft thing ever.
It's quite common knowledge, Microsoft does horrible operating systems but great dev tools. Visual Studio (not vscode) was amazing to develop software.
And thanks god we don't have to deal with Eclipse anymore.
The real question would be why the open source community cannot create a better dev tool that's not outmatched by a glorified text editor.
I actually do not use it, not out of any kind of moral stance but it just runs slow for me.
I don't hate Microsoft that much. But I do hate that remote ssh for a while didn't work on codium resulting in having no choice but to use vscode and getting used to it.
What's interesting about it?
I hate Windows. I'm too young for all that Microsoft drama, so they're fine in my books.
If you really dont like a company and its products you must vote with your wallet or usage in this case. Its that simple. The reason why people that dislike M$ still use vscode and/or windows is simply they actually dont care that much and mostly make noise. I vote with my wallet and have a full jetbrains subscription, I use most their IDE's everyday and its been great. Anyone really depending on income through coding must acquire the best tools available if they are reasonably priced so be it.
And one tought: i do despise microsoft and i dont care if any of its products seems good. They re there to infiltrate and destroy, they have always been from msdos times, and rest assured thats what they will do also with vscode/codium.
Do not fall into this trick, make good products better, dont piggy back on who showed to stick it in your rear end again and again over time.
I'm not sure why people even use vscode over vim
I also use Bing. I hate big companies in general, but I will use their products if they're good. Google is an exception, because to use their products I'd have to sign into my phone, and give them even more access, which I don't want to do.
Definitely dislike MS, generations of my workstations have small, yellow "Microsoft Free Workstation" stickers on their monitors, but VSCodium (in my case) is not really bad.
Also I really like the Xbox360 console and (as a hacker and maker) still love the first Kinnect. The Kinnect is an excellent piece of sensor-hardware, was rather cheap when purchased in used condition and it works very well with Linux.
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Netbeans for the win(at least for Java, I don't know how good it is for other languages)
I like messing around with my system, using foss software and all, but when it comes to programming, I just want it to work without me having to do extra steps... VSCode works without too many extra steps and it doesn't require a masters in vim to use... I can live with microsoft knowing that I'm learning html and C#
You can say the same for Windows
@flashgnash also edge is a great browser we just hate it because of the way they force you to use it
I hated Microsoft in the 90's and 00's but today's MS is not that bad. VSCode in particular is a good example of MS now being a good citizen of Open Source.
And as other said, if you don't like the telemetry in VSCode there are forks without it.
We got to be mature. Microsoft (and many other corporations) are a problem due to their unfair practices. But this is not a moral war against them, when we are not the problem. If we have vscodium, which is opensource and it has telemetry removed, which is the problem?
I would be happy if they didn't made the internet a worse place, if they weren't greedy billionaire assholes, if they didn't have a monopoly, but vscode does not affect my sleep.
I hate Windows and dislike a lot of Microsoft products, but I think we're way past Microsoft being the bad guy. They kinda like Linux now, and probably do more good than bad for it. There are much worse companies in tech, I think Microsoft's worst crimes as of late is creating Teams and being boring.
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nope, I deeply hate microsoft and I don't use their products. Millennials don't know the history.