Ukraine-Russia Megathread 7
Ukraine-Russia Megathread 7
Ukraine-Russia Megathread 7
I have a theory.
Who visited Ukraine in 2013? John McCain. Therefore, he has some attachment to the country.
He lost the presidential race to Obama and Biden, however, he seemed to harbor no major resentment towards them afterwards, and denounced people opposing Obama because he was black. So, once he died in 2018, he has some attachment to Ukraine and would want to protect both Obama/Biden and Ukraine simultaneously. Additionally, Hunter Biden has deals in Ukraine, and McCain would want to defend them.
John McCain was a pilot in the Vietnam War. I think you know where I'm going with this.
The Ghost of Kiev literally is a ghost - it's John McCain piloting the aircraft. It then crashed within a day because he got no better at piloting planes in the afterlife, it turns out.
There is a specter haunting Europe, as farce.
Lmfao :data-laughing:
Hot off the presses....
IMPORTANT! John McCain visited Ukraine in 2013... : PoliticalHumor
It doesn't matter if it's true it boosts morale
Spooky John McCain is gonna touch ya butt
Could I post that as an image macro in r/PoliticalHumor? I'll have to edit it down. Plus - I think there's a 90+% chance it will get nuked quickly. But you never know - if the mod who checks it actually has a sense of humor - they might leave up for a few hours if they think it's dumb and odd but amusing.
God damn you to hell Mikhail Gorbachev
This is on you
You devolved power and unleashed Yeltsin on the whole Soviet people, opening the nationalist cauldron everywhere
Ukrainian nationalism vs Russian nationalism, the fact that that's even an issue is a testament to your failure you arrogant bastard
Yep and even contemporaneously, opposition to the war in Vietnam in the US (that wasn't explicitly communist at least) centered entirely on basically "draft bad" and rarely talked about the Vietnamese experience. Hell, the most popular protest song (Fortunate Son) basically just complains that the working class was being sent there but not the kids of rich folks. While true, it still completely ignores the horrific war crimes that were going on.
And I would imagine it would be impossible to be a part of the world not within the imperial and not see and think a lot about the parallels in what's going on with your own experience.
it is crazy to think that less than 50 years ago those white workers in these 2 countries had given so much support to helping Vietnam in its struggle. Had stood together with the oppressed elsewhere......it feels like that didn't even happen sometimes when looking at them today.
Perhaps the rest of you can lead us to a new world but I’m done caring about “workers” in the west. They can go fuck themselves
Everything you said here. I’m from China, and this has become my conclusion as well. It’s been a slow awakening. Still trying to figure out what positive role I can play in my position because moving back to China isn’t really possible. Your anger and despair are so extremely justified.
:Care-Comrade:
Same here. Have lived in the US and my shithole country. Still live in said shithole country and was not impressed with what I saw of the US left. There were exceptions that stood out and genuinely impressed me, but a disappointingly large number were just radlibs with a revolutionary aesthetic that still fell for the propaganda.
Seeing all this love and sympathy pour out instantly to Ukranians
Remember that the love and sympathy is only for the Ukrainians under the Nato friendly government. There's been absolutely no love and sympathy towards the Ukrainians in Lugansk and Donetsk, neither now nor for the last 8 years.
insist that I show them a binding treaty signed between Russia and NATO guaranteeing that NATO wouldn’t expand, because statements of intent and verbal assurances weren’t good enough
This is the official line as well, it seems, which is funny because it implies that we absolutely can't take the wests word to ever be worth a rotten shit
why would you say vietnam is a hellhole?
My ex union leader uncle posted a pro donetsk anti NATO message on the family whatsapp group
Imagine victim blaming nato. :galaxy-brain:
I had this wild thought earlier today: We literally will never know how many troops died in this war.
Russia has been painted as always lying in the media. Nobody will believe a number they give no matter how accurate it is. If they give too high a number, the libs will say it's sympathy bait. If it's too low, the libs will dismiss it as propaganda.
The Ukranians, on the other hand, have a vested interest in lying and will likely print a massively inflated figure of enemy deaths and a massively lowered count of their own deaths, to make it look like they bodied Russia. Nobody will question these figures of course, and to do so would make one a pariah.
Pretty fucken grim.
I’m posting a lot for me but I do feel like even though the US isn’t directly involved it feels like an Iraq war moment in the sense that I didn’t realize how bloodthirsty Americans are. I was a kid when 9/11 / Iraq started but I seriously respect anyone who held the line back the because a lot of friends and family members who I thought were progressive (but still not ML) have tried to make me feel guilty this week
If reddit were a person I’d shoot them. Stupid fucking Americans gloating that Russia is losing to backwards Ukraine so a confrontation with NATO would obviously result in overwhelming victory for the west. Those stupid Slavs can’t even maintain their own equipment right guys??? Jesus Christ this country is the fourth reich and our death drive is through the roof. There’s a tree in the road and we’re not even debating about whether to hit the brake were all racing to floor the gas and slam into it as hard as fucking possible. We almost deserve nuclear hellfire the sheer hubris to think we have the right to destroy the world over for the sake of swinging our dicks around
Seeing lots of libs on :reddit-logo: and other social media sites openly talking about deporting or genociding Russians. I'm staying away from anything vaguely political because because of how poisoned the discourse is but I can't really escape it. It's shocking to me how quickly a flip was switched and everyone's become a blood thirsty war hawk and how openly xenophobic some folks have become.
The worst part is there's nothing you can even say to this. Anything short of calling for Russia to be nuked is met with "putting in extra time at your Russian troll farm huh Sergei?"
:data-laughing: Nothing's going to come out of this. Out of Crimea LMAO
People took about a week to go from “I never would’ve fallen for Iraq War propaganda” to sharing Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island memes in between year-old photos of Zelensky in camo.
Someone tell Fukuyama we might be looking at the literal end of history
I just bombed my toilet with an airstrike
Ghost of Kiev is when your poop and go to flush but it’s already gone
Smart bomb accuracy
Rumours abound that Russian is preparing deployment of the Type 2 'Longshit' GROGAN system
When you poop and it makes the toilet water splash on your bhole and taint, that's called a Snake Island Massacre
I'm going to try and say America has messed up so much and ask if they really trust us to work this out. I'll also point out the right wing battalions, and the Africans they are fucking over at the border.
Americans sure are finding this more relatable than 20+ years of murdering people in Africa and the middle east. Hmmm what could it beeee
I'm getting off twitter because that place is completely insane. This Zelensky fawning is just deeply disturbing to me, complete psycopath shit. Guy has fucked over Kiev for years to come by basically arming gang wars as he introduced guns without any sort of control. Even if they manage to beat the Russian invasion, it'd be a phyrric victory, at best. Kiev will never recover. And these people are calling him a hero. Just utterly deranged shit.
lol media outlets coming after DSA in the funniest way "One account, The Hoarse Whisperer, tweeted:"
Went to observe one of those pro-Ukraine rallies today. It looks like fascists are opportunistically using this moment to organize and aggitate among the people who turned out.
More bad news I know, but this should serve as a reminder that all of us (you too dear reader) need to get loud and start building a clear and principled explicitly anti-imperialist anti-war movement--lest we let the far-right grow even more.
The good news is that every communist and socialist organization i know of in my area has, in unison, been putting in work to build this anti-imperialist anti-war position w.r.t calling for unilateral de-escalation, condemning the aggressive posturing of NATO, countering the idea that US has best interests of the working class in any country at heart, etc., etc.
I think the peace talks tomorrow will be bullshit and will end up in a stalemate. DPR and Russian forces will take Mariupol, and fully surround Kiev. Zelensky will be transported to Lviv instead of Kiev after the talks because of this, and Russians will siege Kiev. This is going to be terrible because Zelensky has encouraged Kiev residents to wage an insurgency against Russian troops. Many civilians will die, and when they finally take the city it will be for nothing because all the politicians will have moved to Lviv.
So far Russia has been very tame. They have mostly sent 20yr old conscripts as an occupying force, usually in armored vehicles with no infantry support. After Zelensky refuses to submit they will send in the hardened troops with better equipment and will be less averse to destroying civilian infrastructure. Or I could be completely wrong and shit will deescalate, but probably not with all the lethal hardware coming to Ukraine from the west.
"On 6 June 2013, she and Putin publicly announced the termination of their marriage based on a mutual decision. The divorce announcement was made on camera for the Russian news media at the State Kremlin Palace during the intermission of a performance by the Kremlin Ballet, ending years of speculation about their relationship. In April 2014, the Kremlin confirmed that their divorce had been finalized"
"Russia formally incorporated Crimea as two Russian federal subjects—the Republic of Crimea and the federal city of Sevastopol on 18 March 2014"
guys... I think I solved this. nobody considered the divorced guy energy factor...
I think reports about the russian attack slowing down, losing momentum, starting to actually lose and so on are pretty exagerated. Sure, the russians are suffering from some attrition and shit, but let us remember that this is the first conventional war between two very developed countries with professional armies in ages. The last conventional war was the Iran-Iraq war, and that shit was a complete mess, none of them had a full professional army but it still qualifies as conventional.
This shit is quite rare, westerners have the images of the US led coalition rolling up on the honestly very weak Iraqi army of the 90s and 2000s and achieving total victory within days. Sure, the Iraqis had a fuckton of tanks (most old chinese and soviet tech) but their air force and AA defense network were lacking while the US-led coalition threw their entire arsenal at them (an arsenal that was, remember, geared up for a war against the USSR itself), so our perception of what is a war has been affected by that. We see war, but the war we see is low intensity and between a superpower and lesser countries, wars where the big power achieves total military victory and leaves (Grenada, Panama) or after the initial victory it gets wrecked if they decided to occupy the country (Iraq, Afghanistan). We haven't seen what conventional fighting looks like, between two sovereign nations with professional armies.. and imo it would look exactly like this, bloody and confusing.
The russians are of course expected to take some losses, after all they're advancing on a nation with a well equipped professional army, they're no guerrilla. On top of that, they're being somewhat delicate on how they strike the ukrainians, focusing mainly on military bases and depots instead of using artillery indiscriminately that would absolutely wreck civilian infraestructure. They're also not attacking the actual ukrainian state, they're not targetting the different buildings that belong to the ministry of defense, or intelligence or whatever.. and lastly they're using late Soviet tech, let's be real, most of the equipment that we get to see on the russian side are old soviet tech, take the MT-LB armored transport... it's from the 1960s lmao, it should have been replaced 10 years ago. They still thrown in bits of modern tech here and there, but the bulk of it seems to be made up of older vehicles, which would explain some of the losses imo.
Man, redditors don't really have critical thinking skills at all huh. Lots of posts on the front page posting those highly questionable statistics about russian losses and going "wow, russians really are buffoons and are getting their asses kicked hard to a comical degree". Maybe its because those stats are wrong, but hey we might as well believe them anyways, yknow, to boost morale.
I feel like there isn't quite enough skepticism about Russia's ability to pull this off at the moment (no sources, I'm lazy, so this post isn't worth much):
We'll see how things actually turn out though. Invading was a fucking stupid move, I just am not sure how stupid, and probably won't even feel like I'm close for a couple years at least. On one hand, I know I'm a dumbass with an internet connection so anything I have to say on the topic is nothing more than speculation, but at the same time I'm wondering if this is just what a total global-scale fuckup looks like. We've seen them before, and we can't forget that Russia has capitalist brainworms that are fundamentally the same as what the US has, just a different color or something. It's totally in the realm of possibility for Putin to be overconfident in the outcome.
Man. It sucks that I am getting an inside view of systemic propaganda at US universities. So many, from the tenured to the grads, are, say, "incorporating/commenting on recent events" into their teaching and making all kinds of grandiose statements etc to their classes (based on at least my social media circles). Of course it's all vapid ideological stuff and never any analysis — which is ludicrous in that how the fuck does everyone feel competent to pontificate on something they don't know shit and don't want to know shit about in a professorial capacity (which is qualitatively different from posting online)? Am I the only one who has imposter syndrome (which I embrace) in the system?
Meanwhile, people like me who are critical of malNATO and the US and the EU can only keep our mouths shut in fear of losing our jobs or offending the propagandized mob — yes, I am displaying bourgeois cowardice, I know. I'm sorry.
Seems like talks have broken down, no ceasefire.
Fucking Gorbachev the USSR shouldn't have ended :deeper-sadness:
Was the pizza worth it, Gorby?
was just gonna post it lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw
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So Russia has reacted to the :eu-cool: closing all of its airspace to Russian owned or "controlled" air traffic, by doing the same to 36 countries including Canada, Britain, and the EU.
This should create some interesting new supply chain issues and costs, but it definitely just boosted China's position in the supply chain again.
It only have been 4 days yet westerners are already declaring the defeat of Russia even though Ukraine no longer have an air force (non-imaginary, of course), the Russians are staring at Kiev's door like that Megamind meme, and the Russians are very close to establishing land connection between Crimea and Donbass.
Most propagandized people in the history of humankind.
This /r/volunteersForUkraine subreddit is so weird, and dystopian. what is even going on anymore :(
I want off this ride lol
I got banned from there for telling some American that theyre gonna get clapped
don't worry they can just repsawn like their favorite video game.
I wish I had volunteered for one of the communist battalions in the DPR, but it's pretty much too late now.
Roleplaying forum for dumb crackers from Sheboygan