Roger Stone Caught on Tape Discussing Trump’s Plan to Challenge 2024 Election

Why aren't these guys in jail? Seriously. I mean, I know the theory of the rule of law and all, but even our widely-acclaimed greatest president suspended habeas corpus when insurgent seditionists tried to overthrow the Union.
- I suspect that this is extremely dry humor, but for others that read this, Trump pardoned both Bannon and Stone
  
  it's still unfathomable that trump was "allowed" (I know it was "legal", don't point that out) to pardon his literal partners-in-crime. He basically has already self-pardoned himself by proxy by allowing these traitors to walk free.
  
  I'm not sure if I'm joking. In any case, the writ of habeas corpus is the legal tool that a court can theoretically use to compel the appearance of a prisoner before it. It is the legal doctrine that underlies the right to trial, and I say "theoretically" because courts rarely need to issue one; it's just standard procedure to bring people to court to face charges.
  By suspending it, Abraham Lincoln could detain those people he deemed dangerous seditionists indefinitely, because the detainees would have to go to court to challenge their detention, and there was no way to get to court. The effect of suspending it again is that it wouldn't matter that Baboon (autocorrect and I'm leaving it) and Stone were pardoned, or that there were even criminal charges.
  Lincoln did it, George W. Bush did it. Barack Obama did it. The Constitution contains a clause which allows it to be suspended due to rebellion or threats to public safety. It's a dangerous thing to allow a president to do, but the MAGA danger might be greater.
  
  I have to say, "you've been unpardoned" would be a great line.
- Throughout human history, laws have never stopped conservatism. Jails have never stopped conservatism. Pacifism has never stopped conservatism. Only force has ever stopped conservatism. Only force.
  
  Careful or you'll get called a tankie
- Because Trump pardoned him.
  https://www.npr.org/2020/12/23/949820820/trump-pardons-roger-stone-paul-manafort-and-charles-kushner
  
  As in my other reply, the Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus in cases of rebellion or threats to public safety, and without that writ, charges and sentences are irrelevant.
- Roger Stone's been to jail a number of times. He really doesn't care because he knows he'll get pardoned. Also he's basically a mafia don, so I imagine he gets a lot of respect in prison from republicans.
  
  In what capacity does he resemble the mafia? He’s a snake. These guys want to desperately be associated with the mafia but they’re just con men. The Mafia were intelligent criminals.
  Everyone needs to remember this guy shaking hands with world leaders during his years in office. In every single picture he is smiling like a pig in shit. It is only after the indictment photo he is attempting to rebrand himself as some sort of tough guy criminal instead of a slimy, smug con artist.
- He was going to face a trial and likely prison, but trump pardoned him and the rest.
- Huh? Why would anyone with power go to jail in an oligarchy? Unless you upset the more powerful oligarch.

I wonder if they're actually dumb enough to try the false electors scheme twice in a row?
They got caught are being convicted right now for doing it in 2020, and everybody is expecting it now.
- Whatever the result they’re going to keep trying again. Why wouldn’t they when there are virtually no consequences? Fascists don’t give a damn about what election results say, they’re always going to try to gain power by any means necessary.
  
  Well that's what I mean.
  There are so far very severe consequences. Lawyers have been disbarred, dozens of people have been charged, the trials are ongoing right now and more charges are occurring from more agencies. there are a whole lot of legal consequences which is why i am wondering if they're going to do it again.
  They don't care about election results, but they do care about legal consequences.
- The trials are being sandbagged by republican judges, nobody is actually getting punished for trying to steal the election. They're gonna do it again.
  
  That's happening more with The classified documents case, not with the fake electors.
  Good news, The fake elector charges and trials are actually going through without a hitch, have a lot of defendants informing on co-defendants. Several defendants have already pled guilty, participants are being arrested, more charges are coming, there's actually a lot going on with this case.
  
  Uh... If you don't want your election stolen, you, uh, you gotta vote. Vote so hard they can't steal it. Make your friends vote. Make your friends' friends vote.
  Because if we don't win this year, we don't get to have any more elections. No more voting. We're getting rid of it because your don't vote good.
- They will. And they'll take it to the Supreme Court, where
  <checks notes>
  they'll just install Trump as the winner of the election. Mark my words.
  
  Humbug. I take cynicism lightly.
  They didn't get past mailing in the forged documents last time, and they have a worse chance this time.
  They'd have to do something different, like state legislatures passing laws that say they don't have to listen to appointed electors.
  That's already failed, but that's the tack I think they'll try to refine, since they're approaching it so poorly right now and direct forgeries don't work
- If it works then you get to convict the other side for being fake.
  
  Sure. But there are less idiotic and more effective ways to try to seize power.
  Literally forging documents and sending them in two institutions that verify documents is pretty dumb.
  Resulting in legal consequences already.
- They are dumb enough to try a bunch of other stuff, including violence, again though.
- them? double down?! surely not.
- Who is being convicted? It sounds like nobody's been convicted yet, so they're wiling to try it again. Also who cares if some false elector goes to jail? Not Trump. Not the dirty ratfucker.
  
  Well, as a personal conspirator in this game, dumps is certainly liable.
  He's been indicted in Georgia. And by the doj, so dumps will have to fight those charges of conspiracy.
  This is such a huge case investigated by so many agencies that everyone isn't even charged yet 4 years later.
  So the convictions will take time, but at least eight people, including chesebro and other planning-level agents, have actively been working with every investigation testify to the involvement of the others.
  The trials and convictions are still ongoing, but a few trials have finished.
  I only know about the ones that have pled guilty and are informing on others. But none of this is halted or not happening, it's just that the trials and sentencing are still going on.
- No. Instead they're gonna have state legislature throw out the results of the election. Which they can probably do, Constitutionally-speaking.
  The State legislature pick the electors. Just because they all use a popular vote to do it doesn't mean they can't change the law in between the voting in November and the actual election in December.
  
  Ha, I've answered that two or three times to other people here!
  I agree that changing or interpreting the law to pick stricty conservative electors is their next strategy， but I don't think it's going to be as simple or successful as they imagine.
  Sort of like how they didn't realize sending in forged documents was very likely to fail.

How would he know? Trump isn't supposed to talk with felons.
- Get those mirrors out of his living spaces.
- That's only if he gets away with probation. Due to him talking with felons all day every day and the fact that he's publicly shown ALL of the contempt (in both the colloquial and legal sense of the word) of the court and continues to do so, that's unlikely in spite of the kid gloves he's being treated with.
  My guess is he gets community service and I hope it involves picking up thrash while wearing a jumpsuit that matches his skin.
  
  I can't wait for Fox News. "PRESIDENT TRUMP is picking up trash! He has to bend down and PICK UP TRASH! He is being treated more unfairly than ANY AMERICAN has EVER BEEN TREATED in the HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!"
  
  I hate to burst your bubble, but Trump's not going to be picking up trash. He will either get house arrest, or community service. Community service will likely consist of recording public service announcements. This is how celebrities are typically treated.
  His security is actually a valid concern for the court, which must be considered. It's impossible to guarantee his security while picking up trash on the side of the highway - since anyone could stop and shoot. Likewise, it is impossible to guarantee his security in prison without solitary confinement.
  Of course, it is possible that one day he may get to run his own prison like Pablo Escobar, but I think house arrest is more likely. He'll love it. Sitting on his ass in Mar a Lago, doing virtual campaign events, watching the news and shitposting all day.

I'm a Republican that does their own Research and even though the election hasn't happened yet I ALREADY KNOW TRUMP LOST UNFAIRLY because of Sleepy Joe Biden being UNFAIR!
- This is exactly how I feel so your comment is one hundred percent correct.
  
  What's the name of your face book research group?
  
  My emotions validate my worldview!

The Republicans get away with so much despicable action and each time the Dems get pants by the audacity of the attempt. That's how we are here now.
The conservatives will try absolutely anything, up to and including armed insurrection. Now with AR15s, and probably with bumpstocks fitted.
Don't think that it could never happen. The MAGA element love being underestimated.
- So, I work in a gun store(part time), if you think bump stocks are unethical, look up(or don’t) a binary trigger. Those, as far as I know, have never been banned, and are far more effective when it comes to trying to attempt to increase fire rate.
  To be honest, a lot of gun legislation is really ineffective. The amount of loopholes etc, are kinda insane. If we’re going to talk about gun legislation, it needs to be a helluva lot more than a part ban on “assault style” firearms, until then, it’s just pandering for votes imo.
  (Please don’t assume I am a crazy arsenal wielding person. I actually don’t own any firearms at this moment despite my part time occupation.)
  
  I actually looked up the legalisation one time. Congress described a machine gun and gave all the definitions that were forbidden to alter it to make it automatic fire. It was pretty comprehensive, particularly given that it was written in the 80s. However this supreme court said that the magic words 'bump stock' wasn't in the legalisation. Words that didn't even exist until 2003, or thereabouts. The court ignored the legislative text completely.
  And I don't believe that you are a gun nut at all. You seem perfectly reasonable and make a good point.
  
  …so who is going to break the news to all the gun nuts using non-binary triggers?
  
  I tend to agree. There's already too many firearms out there (more guns than people) so it won't be all that effective in the short term.
  But I think it's more of a thing that will take generations for there to be a change. And yeah it's pandering for votes, but it's also about opening up conversation, which is a step in the direction of a cultural change. A cultural shift away from buying guns for paranoid reasons about protection from "those people" back towards guns being used for hobbies like hunting and target shooting won't be easy to accomplish. But gotta start somewhere.
- I just wish if they try something again that we annihilate them all from above like those drone videos. Bump stocks my ass, just turn them into dust. Nothing of value will be lost.
- I honestly sometimes think that the democrats (at least some) think like this but are in the closet, other times I think their non-action to the republicans shit actions are just part of the overall plan.
- Just be aware that our military is here to protect the constitution.
  Meal team 6 ain't about that life. Not even their Dale Gribbliest. It's going to be a horrible mistake. Fool me once...
  
  I guess my point is not that they'll necessarily be successful, it's more that a great many good people won't go home to their families that night.
  They weren't successful last time and the Republican Congress welcomed the traitor-in-chief back to DC last week as a hero.
- Democrats like to bitch about Republicans but their platforms are 95% the same. The real enemy is leftists, and they'll take Trump for 4 terms before they ever give an inch to the left.
  
  their platforms are 95% the same.
  Economically, yes, but socially, no. That social part matters quite a bit.
  
  I disagree with the accuracy of what you just said, but 100% agree with your sentiments.

I get fundraising texts occasionally. I don't know why. But the one that came on the heels of the conviction had a section of fine print declaring what the money was for. It included a "recount challenge fund". This is in the open.
- Well, given how broke the Republican Party is they're probably still paying off the lawyers from their failed challenges from 2020. But they're also planning on doing it again.

This shit is going on and yet there’s STILL people whining and suggesting no one vote.
It blows my mind.
- Stone and a significant portion of those people are on the same side. A larger amount are useful idiots who prefer to moralize about what should be instead of doing the base amount to prevent more of the harm they profess to care about.

I'm not going to advocate violence for this guy, but can we bring back the pillory or something? Him and Steve Bannon both.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory
- I wouldn't call locking them in a kneeled position while people throw rotten food at them "violent," necessarily.
  But I'd love to see it happen anyway.
  
  Once they are already in the position it wouldn’t be too hard to move them to the guillotine.
  
  Unfortunately, Roger Stone would probably get off on it.

Duh.
It’s astounding to me that a second January sixth isn’t at the top of people’s minds this go round.
Not because it’ll be successful (although there’s always a chance) but because we already have elected officials who believe that trump won the 2020 election and there will only be more this time around.
What’s the long term effect of legitimizing disbelief in a functioning democracy? America never was one, but what does it mean when there’s double or triple digit numbers of elected officials who publicly say so?
The usual explanation for distrust in government has nothing to do with people recognizing reality and changing their views based on it but instead blames that change on lack of bread and circuses, no basics of life and no distraction from reality.
We certainly don’t have the basics of life, but the distraction machine is running like a champ slaps hood you could fit like seven more dissociative technologies in this sucker!
What combination of lack of basic necessities and distractions are driving people’s belief (true or false!) that the election was stolen and that our fake democracy is actually fake?
- The only good news is that if they try to storm the Capitol again, they're not going to have Trump and his "acting" Secretary of Defense giving them cover this time.
  Those troops are going to be loaded for bear.

Bro looks like he's a decrepit dollar store ken doll
- When I get old I am just going to look old.
  
  Same, though my hand already look old because my joints are all fucked up lmao. Almost 27 and I have old lady hands

Of course the orange turd is going to challenge it, this shouldn't surprise anyone. He wasn't even given a slap on the wrist for inciting a mob to try to overthrow the government. Why wouldn't he try again?
Stone is just a useful idiot which also shouldn't surprise anyone.

Man, the ballots aren't even printed yet and they're already planning their "Nuh-uh!!!!!!!" for when they lose. Truly, this is the strength and fortitude you expect out of your fascist leaders. Very strong and confident.

Yeah it was bad (full video also out there)
- Jesus fuck and I thought don jr. had a coke problem... This dude's whole body is bouncing all over the place with every word he says.
- If there were a cartoon definition of slimeball, this would be included.
  
  Like a cocaine-themed Batman villain.
- This was 4 years ago?

Stone: The lights are on, but no one's home.

Why does trump and his cronies look all weird and creepy
- Because they are.
- The dark magic they dabble in has its cost.

“That may not be necessary,” Stone continued. “There are technical, legal steps we have to take to try to have a more honest election.”
Fixed it: “That may not be necessary,” Stone continued. “There are technical, legal steps we have to take to try to have the appearance of a more honest election.”
Stone noted during the conversation that the Trump campaign is attempting to change state voting laws and plans to immediately file a number of lawsuits seeking to change the results should the former president lose again, as Trump allies did in Michigan and several other states in 2020.
This is looking grim. We might have to actually fight on this one. Sigh…
- It's the newest ARG, a Get Out / The Purge crossover where half the population pretends laws don't exist and the other half has to try to keep their democratic institutions! Hijinks will ensue in this surreal tragicomedy Asshole Reality Game, brought to you by Koch Brothers ©!
- By Jan 2025 the only outcomes are Trump has won without conflict or the election is a contested mess and congress is deadlocked on certification and they will have moved to the vote by state in the house. In which case trump will be elected.

That thumbnail is terrifying. Genuinely thought it was a dude wearing a roger stone mask wtf

Stone looks like the bad guy from Star Trek: Generations on a prosperity gospel infomercial trying to sell you on a scam.
- It looks like he's wearing a rubber mask. It's unsettling.
  
  It's Botox+surgery+concealer, right?

I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out, in this photo especially, Roger Stone looks like a caricature of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons.
- Roger Stone looks like a caricature of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons.
  Who is himself a caricature of an old and evil rich man. If the shoe fits..
  Btw, remember when he showed up to the inauguration looking like a literal Batman villain?
  
  wow, posh spice let herself go
  
  IIRC, Mr. Burns was meant to be a caricature of specifically Rupert Murdoch.
  
  I say if Ebeneezer Scrooge were a real person and alive today, that is exactly what he would look like.

The "person" doesn't look human at all....
- haunted vent dummy

I guess I gotta appreciate that these people are so incompetent.
- Same, but it’s also troubling because it suggests how easy all this underhanded shit must be for the bad actors with half a brain that know how to shut the fuck up and quietly enjoy their ill-gotten gains.

Also caught on tape: "Pardon me."

I am shocked... SHOCKED I tell you!

i'm pretty sure that historians will look back on this and agree that a wholesale slaughter of conservatives would have been the best course of action.

Same thing happened with Bannon before the 2020 election. It won't make a difference to the cult

The jailcells gonna be crowded with all the reservations these criminals are laying out
- It's been 4 years. How's that working out so far?
  
  Rather blandly

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