Putin issues a nuclear warning to the West over Ukraine

I know this is going to be a controversial comment, but this is a necessary statement from Putin. The concept of MAD fails to exist if one side allows itself to be attacked without any response. That's how the world ends up with a hot war between nuclear powers, and the inevitable escaltion to a nuclear exchange. Long range strikes into Russia using NATO weapons need to be avoided at all costs. NATO leaders are playing with fire, they need to be reminded that fire burns.

It doesn't seem that controversial to me. NATO is the aggressor and has had an agressive stance toward the Russian Federation since the coup they backed brought it into existence. They've been playing with fire for 30 years. They can't even feel the temperature anymore because they feel entitled to consequence free bombing campaigns. I hope Putin's message works and gets these rabid NATO wardogs to back off
- they had been aggressing before that too; they put missiles in Turkey first, originally causing the Cuban missile crisis -- then refused to ratify the already-agreed-on Salt II treaty (put doi# into sci-hub), while instead Bzrezinski and Carter financed and trained terrorists and warlords who r*pe children and throw acid at schoolgirls directly to create terror and crises in Communist Afghan which bordered SSRs with which there were many exchange and education programs so that they could push the USSR into a "vietnamese quagmire,"; which eventually grew into such a catastrophic organized international-terrorist-fueled civil war scenario that after the DRA had already asked for assistance 20 times and was being rebuffed even as Soviet advisors and ambassadors were murdered with their families by extremists, the Soviets eventually decided to choose what they deemed the "least bad" option and invaded. (China also helped the muhajideen terrorists, including facilitating CIA/ISI training camps near Xinjiang, and created their own blowback for that. Post-split Chinese foreign policy was UNHINGED and SHITTY DOO DOO ASS and I'm thankful they wised up into non-intervention).
  and then after all that played out and the US backed the Yeltsin coup where he abolished the parliament impeaching him and shelled the building killing hundreds, the US continued as being the ones as you said been the aggressor. It was them backing out of every missile treaty one by one, after and while and remilitarizing Europe and expanding ever eastward in a move sponsored directly by arms dealers of whom Democrats are beneficiary, being heavily patronized and vice-versa by those same death-merchants. .
  The US and its EU vassal-cartel and their NATO military vanguard-of-neocolonialism for which IMF and World Bank are the preeminent institutional entities of, have always been the aggressor. It's so bizarre western media calls Putin like he's an unhinged megalomaniac who only knows violence when in reality he's an incorrigible neolib who had deluded himself and others for decades the US might ever listen to their concerns and be anything different than a relentless aggressor. And Putin had been an incorrigible moderate against most of the Duma (from Communists to rightwingers) during all of this Ukraine stuff since 2014. If they had gone in in 2014 and said "absolyutna nyet" after the nazi-spearheaded coup, which many had pushed for and continued to over the years, there might have been 1000-2000 dead at most and none of this shit would have become so horrendous. But instead he only pulled the trigger on Crimea because of the Black Sea Fleet and otherwise continually blocked the Duma's demands, and dragged feet on and undermined the DNR/LNR demands and requests, instead letting them get shot and tortured and murdered and smashed out of Odessa and Kherson and Mariupol by Nazis and suffer a bunch of awful political struggles and protracted violence and shellings; while the west NATO empire openly armed and trained more and more of the overtly anti-Russian military and fascist groups to be a battering ram for the largest most violent empire that has ever existed, the USA.
  He stood as an incorrigible collaborationist moderate pushing for agreements and compromises with the west, who anyone with a brain could tell was never intending on following through with any of it BECAUSE THEY WERE THE DRIVING FORCE OF IT ALL GOING THIS WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE; while allowing not only the arming and training of the openly anti-Russian military and militias operating in Ukraine to kill Russians; but also allowing the corrupted growth of an entire generation, now today old-enough to fire a gun, have the most formative years of their upbringing guided through Azov and C-14's state-funded Nazi "education centers," Nazi "community organizations," and Nazi-youth military summer-camps; that if Putin was half the comicbook villain western liberals think he is, or if he had just remembered his Soviet education --- his dialectical- and historical materialist education which he undoubtedly got; he would not have held such delusions and the world wouldn't be teetering over nuclear oblivion like this with so many pointless tens-to-hundreds-of-thousands dead and half a million wounded, и за что? зачем?
Yep nato only understands one language
The truth is controversial, mostly.
Not controversial at all, I just hope Western politicians actually take heed for once, I'd prefer not to die because of these frothing fascist NATO assholes
Wait so russia is allowed to destroy all of Ukraine but gets upset once ukraine starts blowing stuff up in russia?
- If NATO weapons are used in long range strikes in Russia, if would require NATO service members to input the targeting information, and NATO satellites to guide the weapons. That is why Russia would then consider these NATO countries to have carried out an attack on Russian soil in such a scenario. Ukraine is more than welcome to carry out long range strikes into Russia with its own capabilities and weapons, with it's own military service members inputting the targeting data, in fact they have done so many times before, with success. I'm sure you can appreciate the difference between the two scenarios.
  Secondly, one has to ask if the US and NATO wants to open this "Pandora's box" in effect. If they can give Ukraine, or any other proxy, advanced long range weaponry to strike at Russia, Russia can respond in turn. There have already been talks between Russia and the Houthis/Ansarallah on the acquisition of advanced Russian anti ship supersonic cruise missiles, such missiles could present a serious threat to the US Navy in the region. There are many US military bases around the world, and many groups of people that want them gone. These groups would take Russian weapons in a heartbeat. This is before we even talk about anti satellite weaponry, nuclear testing, and any other myriad of responses. I'd prefer if we keep this "Pandora's box" closed.
- Yep, you got it. There is absolutely no relevant history leading up to this moment. In fact, history ended in the early 90s.

Is this really worth it for either party?

Gen Xers reading this thread:

except this time it's not the cool Russia :(
- It wasn't exactly the cool Russia back then, either
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Imagine the boomers, they lived through the Cuban missile crisis and the entirety of the cold war...
- Nuclear? I hardly know 'er HAR HAR HAR

@not_fond_of_reddit@lemm.ee stop stuffing my ~~mod~~box full

Of reports on comments you disagree with and actually reply to the people you think are posting misinformation.

@not_fond_of_reddit@lemm.ee lol, what a dork. Not fond of
my ass.

if there are any aliens observing us, now would be a great time to do an anti-imperialist intervention followed by some intergalactic communist nation building. we are all held hostage by western imperialists playing nuclear chicken with the rest of the world. a planet-wide hostage bomb vest where multiple factions have the button, in this scenario the faction with the least reluctance to use it will get their way. america and its vassals have been recklessly testing these nuclear boundaries, someone or something must put a stop to it.

Yo, I love the idea of enlightened benevolent aliens making humanity abandon its nukes and go commie. I feel like Ive heard narratives along these lines before but can't remember where or more detail. Is this a trope or present in scifi or UFO speculation?
- It sounds similar to the plot of the final season of ::: spoiler spoiler The 100 ::: to me.
- idk just what i've taken from the meme version of posadism, seems hard to rally planetary resources/energy for interstellar travel if you are busy giving all of your resources to inbred monarchs or finance ghouls and making economic decisions based on artificial gambling (stocks) and the short term profit of several large scale scams.

See?

This is why I practiced end of world survival

While everyone else is running around screaming, I'll be filtering my water with tree bark, clay and coffee filters

I never googled but I always wondered how to grow healthy trees 100s of feet down.
So you can go on to struggle every day and die miserably in a boat nuclear hellscape. Fuck that. Immolate me good
- I don't live near enough to anything that would take a direct hit, so I am left struggling either way

no more half measures walter

How problematic is this?

It looks like a response to the talk of doing deep strikes into Russia. According to the updated nuclear doctrine, Russia might decide to respond with a nuclear strike. Putin also mentioned an attack on Belarus explicitly, so maybe they're expecting something there too?
- For those who don't understand why doing deep strikes inside Russia with NATO supplied missiles is a declaration of War on Russia by NATO. These long range missiles needs satellites to get coordinates and guidance, Ukraine obviously does not have them, which means NATO is directly involved in launching these missiles. If these Western leaders are that crazy to directly confront Russia, we might have WWIII.
- Putin also mentioned an attack on Belarus explicitly, so maybe they’re expecting something there too?
  I don't think there is something explicit, but Poland and Baltic yapping dogs of empire actively try to coup Belarus for decade now and i read some crackpots saying NATO could do "an SMO in Belarus that totally wouldn't be war, isn't it" and using one of the myriad NATO maneuvers in the region to cook up some provocation.
  So even if there's nothing but talk, Belarus is still percieved as next area of proxy conflict and Putin wants to cut that out by saying attack on Belarus is attack on Russia. He also getting points for that in Belarus which finally got disillusioned about cooperation with west few years ago.
- That's the gist of what I heard. I'm scared if he makes good on it. I hate that the fate of billions has been toyed with like this since the invention of atomic weapons.

This is a threat against the UK. There was an emergency cobra meeting yesterday that was performed during the labour conference which definitely wouldn't have been planned and it will have been because of this.

They pretended it was about Israel but we all know Labour's position on that so it won't have been it.

yeah I think so as well, the UK have been pushing the most for deep strikes into Russia
Yeah if the UK want to allow Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for long range strikes into Russia, it would require UK military service members to input the targeting information, and UK military satellites to guide the missile. Such an escalation is unacceptable to Russia.
- US is operating from those bases so it would be interesting if they did.

Wistfully imagining a parallel universe where a general labor strike in the US was a near-term possibility to slow down this country’s death drive

Could we please all stop. I am not enjoying Cold War 2: Nuclear Boogaloo one bit.

What exactly would the missiles accomplish? Let the Ukrainians let throw more soldiers into a pointless meat grinder for a while longer? I want to strangle every single Western politician

Ukraine's only way of winning is direct US/NATO intervention. So their only hope is to keep escalating and hope something happens. If Russia has an unmeasured response and begins attacking the NATO planes guiding Ukraine's attacks or commits civilian reprisals then that might be enough to get the US directly involved (maybe).
It's just a completely pointless escalation that's bringing us closer to WW3.
- I'm going to get so downvoted for this, lol. Wasn't Putin who attacked Ukraine? So who is escalating? At this moment we have two major criminals who are stubborn over their goals and won't stop fucking killing and wars. Fuck them all. You can't shit on USA and praise Russia. Same scummy coin, just different sides. They would all like to rule the world, fuck them.
  Also, stupid Putin ruined the only paradise in the world, Chernobyl. You see, years after the nuclear accident, nature in Chernobyl started to flourish, animals came back because there was no humans there. A fucking paradise, I tell you. And then fucking Putin's troops march through Chernobyl, raise the radioactive dust and scare my animals with their war machines. So fuck that guy. I don't know why are you defending that asshole here, but he's an asshole and a murderer.

I think the most likely response from Putin would be to arm the Houthis/Ansarallah with advanced anti ship missiles, along with selling Iran advanced weaponry. Russia has lots of these missiles in storage, Ukraine has no navy that can be targeted with them. If NATO wants to open Pandora's box and give advanced weaponry for long range strikes to a proxy in Ukraine, Russia can absolutely do the same thing in the Middle East.
That's the thing though, as long as common sense still exists and neither party is willing to use nukes aside from threats, they still have to fight the US with all the other means. That means that the US will have to cope with multiple fronts at once as the war spreads out in the world, and there must be a tipping point where they just can't handle them all anymore.
So far the only actual red line that was laid out by Russia was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that line was crossed we got the war. Pretty much all the other red lines have come from the west, like when the US said they wouldn't send missiles, tanks, F16s, and so on because it would be a dangerous escalation. Then the west would cross their own red lines, and say that see nothing bad happened.
Russia's statement on long range strikes into Russia is the second red line that was actually stated by Russia, and I don't think it's a bluff either.
but what if isreal starts nuking (honestly the only [word not found] i can see doing it), who else will follow and nuke who?