Putin addresses Ukraine with Russia’s first public ceasefire proposal: Ukraine must withdraw troops from DPR, LPR, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions+notify NATO it will not move forward with alliance talks.

already being reported as “Putins DEMANDS”

I mean they are demands. You make demands when you have overwhelmingly dominated your opponent, which Russia has.
Russia is preparing for war with NATO. This is most likely Putins final public proposal for peace so the world can see Russia is not the aggressor in this situation. Everyone knows they’re making gains on the battlefield and the US has already publicly stated Ukraine won’t be a part of nato. So what is there to really fight about other than upholding Americas honor?
- The screaming liberals are always making up a new reason to not accept anything. You tell them this is reasonable and they clap back with how Putin can't be trusted because they broke the commitment to sovereignty made when they gave up their nukes. The fact that the minsk agreements were broken first doesn't matter to them.
- How is Russia not the aggressor in a war they started?

Sounda reasonable considering all the situation but western MIC oligarchs won't let Ukraine take that deal100%

This isn't reasonable, this is crazily generous, especially considering the state of the war. Only thing Ukraine lose is places that already publicly stated they don't want to be in Ukraine. But in that proposition they don't lose Odessa and with it the Black Sea access, they don't lose Kharkov, they stay as viable state instead of rump remains, they don't have to denazify, they won't have to change government, and the most importantly, killing stops now.
Yeah, no chance their handlers will allow them to agree.

Those are incredibly reasonable terms

I haven't kept up with shit in Ukraine well the past few months but this was my uneducated, gut reaction as well. Seems super reasonable.
Of course, they won't be going for it since their donors won't let them.
Definitely a reasonable point to start negotiations. The Russians barely hold anything in Kherson, but you don't start where you want. Otherwise, you don't have any leeway in negotiations.
I was honestly surprised.
Ukraine will end up with worse terms though, since they will reject these.

Reddit is going to be insufferable about this isn't it?

I'm not that up to date, so I would like to ask other people: why now? Has Russia decided that the war is too costly to be worthwhile continuing, or does Putin expect that he has demonstrated that Ukraine could never win a war against Russia? I know he's proposed private peace deals, and I imagine they had similar terms.

Either way, I really doubt Zelesky will accept peace. This war has been way to beneficial for America. They've bought up public Ukranian assets, blown up the Nord Stream, made a shit load of money selling arms, cultivated massively successful propaganda, made Europe way more dependant on them, and so on. Zelesky would probably be being paid a visit from the men in black if he accepted this deal.

They’ve probably been offering this deal privately for more than a year now. I guess at this point they feel it’s been long enough to demonstrate that Ukraine can’t kick them out even with NATO weapons. They’re making the offer public to put pressure on Zelenskyy and make him seem less reasonable with his completely unrealistic hard position of pre-2014 borders.
How well it will work I don’t know.
public proposal to cut through the narratives they're spinning in Kiev, i imagine the expectation is that Ukrainians & especially conscripts will hear 'lose the troublesome provinces for peace' and rally to pressure the government. for Russia, a withdrawal of Ukraine's troops will achieve what would probably take months in terms of territory, despite the 'Ukraine is collapsing' hype Russia hasn't exactly been making rapid progress
my best guess would be that this weekend is the swiss peace summit where they invited like ninety countries but not russia. putting out the barest, most basic sounding demands is an easy play when you aren’t even invited to the current version of peace talks. it’ll make ukraine’s demands for crimea, belgorod, kaliningrad, and billion dollar annual reparations look ridiculous in a few days, if the talks even get that far. you’re right that the west isn’t done, but the west is the one cooking up this swiss conference
- lmao “peace talks” where one side isn’t invited
- Wait Ukraine wants Kalingrad? Shouldn't that exclave either stay with Russia or go to Poland?
The real reason is the west has given Russia every reason to believe they’re about to be hit with a nuclear bomb at any given moment. This isn’t really Russia changing their strategy or anything, I see this as more about Russia openly declaring they would rather have peace than nuclear war one last time.
My uneducated guess? Putin has seen better polling then what’s made people public and figures that he better get going on a deal now because he doesn’t think the November elections are going to go his way.

I think this is just about setting the legal precedent, make sure that there are official negotiations more recent than April '22. This refusal will certainly be referenced in the future when they will make further demands using this as a justification i.e you had the chance, you refused and caused even more harm, therefore we are in our right to demand further compensation.

There are also other factors to consider, the situation for Ukrainian civilians is getting worse, electricity is almost completely out and it is going to get much worse. Putting an official record that Russia is willing to end the war now is certainly going to affect a significant part of the population.

Obviously its not like stupid democracy shit is real at all, they're not going to protest their way into a peace deal with Russia, but this can lead to civil unrest which means even less manpower which just ultimately means Russia continues to steamroll.

How DARE Putler™ reiterate the ceasefire conditions that haven't changed since the start of the conflict!

So what would this mean for those four regions? Fully subsumed into Russia? Becoming an independent country but identifying as ethnically Russian? Staying Ukrainian but granted some sort of semi-autonomous status?

iirc DPR and LPR are already part of Russia, they would need to do new paperwork on Kherson and Zapo though
EDIT: I did not recall correctly
- Kherson and Zaporozhye are already part of Russia too.
The only change mentioned is that they will have troops withdrawn, so I don't know if Putin is even looking for any territorial changes. Maybe he'll expect recognition of a plebiscite after the troops are withdrawn, maybe the territories will remain a part of Ukraine. I doubt anyone wants for them to form a nation.

my vibes-based reading:

this is in response to the peace conference (the one russia isn't invited to lol), not any major shifts on the battlefield or in the geopolitical situation
the target audience is the ukrainian public, not the ukrainian/western leadership
the russian government knows there's no chance ukraine is willing (or able) to accept this ceasefire proposal. that doesn't necessarily mean they're not prepared to follow through should ukraine agree, but the extremely generous terms they're presenting here are probably based on the assumption that ukraine will immediately reject it.
when ukraine is eventually forced to the negotiation table, the russian proposal will be far less generous.

of course this very reasonable list will be framed as evil putler's ravings 😈

I think Ukraine will accept the peace terms and here is my analysis for why:
Hexbear was wrong about invading Ukraine, therefore it will be wrong about how the war ends. Also clownworld

Ukraine will never ever ever ever accept the peace deal, nope, will never happen, we will also never solve climate change ever, ever, ever, Palestine will never be free either ever, never, nope, everything is completely hopeless and we will never achieve communism
{|I hope this works}
I have a general policy of predicting the opposite of what I want since I think the universe functions contrary to my own predictions specifically cuz I'm the main character.

Ukraine and their backers aren't capable of agreeing to this, they're just too deep in the fantasy. The only reason I can think of for making this declaration again, which is really just a call for Ukraine to recognize the current reality of the situation, is for posterity.

A last off ramp before the Russians commit more and then demand more for resolution. It could only be a matter of time before Russia insists on Kharkiv oblast as a response to the terror bombing of civilians in Belgorod.

Has the victorious army ever just given up and returned to its land without any wins or concessions? Has this ever happened in history? Amazing that libs want Putin to just forfeit when he’s one move away from checkmate, like why would he do that?
- Has the victorious army ever just given up and returned to its land without any wins or concessions?
  Yes, and actually even worse, they allied with the enemy they nearly completely defeated, and it was unfortunately Russian army, in 1762. In retrospect, that move by Peter III was one of the worst moronic mistakes in history of Europe which consequences are still being felt. Hope Russia remembers that.
When I see this take I always ask "If you think this war is so important, why don't you go volunteer for Ukraine? They need people." I've never gotten a response.

Nice try Pulter, the walls are closing in and ur desperate. The RuZZan army will collapse as we send a battalion of 70 year old conscripts we kidnapped from a retirement village to capture Moscow. We have enough adult diapers to last them weeks.

People when the literal last Ukrainian is hiding in a shelter dressed in army gear with boots kicking down the door: Nooooo, we have them on the ropes!

he talks to ukrainians (and global south), the west is rabid
They'll probably only listen if he actually nukes someone or something
This is exactly why Putin is trying, because you’re correct there are only two options. Humanity only have two options in front of them, and it would be stupid to not try the good option first. Either we give peace a chance or we die.