They're both trump supporters, so don't feel, the brain damage was a pre existing condition
I know that was a lot to write so I want to acknowledge I read it all, appreciate the effort.
The existence and interactions of your group of activists is fascinating, I admit I lean towards radical inclusivity so it sounds a bit wild to me, but I also get and respect how difficult it is to maintain group cultures and where exclusivity is necessary and productive.
I fully agree that there will likely be some unity under Trump out of necessity and that it will unfortunately probably be temporary (can't help but think about Biden getting the most votes ever being strong evidence towards that)
Not much follow up except to say you seem like a good person, hope whatever influence you seek is supported.
Well said, and I didn't intend to say you are tearing down anyone.
The only relevancy to you is your statement about organizing I think is very important, but the blocker imo is that complex issues require working together in ambiguity and I'm seeing less evidence than ever that progressives who very much agree on what a problem is, and most of the solution to that problem, they then start squabbling rather than working together.
I apologize, but I don't believe you are open minded. I mostly replied so that a third party would not see such blame as you were making an unopposed statement and believe that is a representative perspective.
I don't disagree, but I think that's still the cart before the horse.
People in general need to stop tearing down people who are closest to them if any complex issue is to ever get solved imo. After the US election all you see is blame getting thrown around, and most of it (that I've seen) is blaming people closest in values for not approaching issues in the exact way the blamer wants them to.
Progressives seem like they will always struggle to make anything complex and meaningful happen when they tear each other down, meanwhile bigotry and regressiveness is pretty singular and easy for their opposition to mobilize.
And yet, he lost.
Bernie bros whinge so much about how unfair such and such was to Bernie. Do you think Trump's campaign would have been less fair?
Also do you forget Russia was supporting Bernie because they wanted him as a spoiler, and yet you all sit here and continue to divide rather than support people who are damn close to your own values. It's insane.
Are you kidding? Is that really an event you think proves your point? Please tell me you will read further on in that event than whoever sold you a partial story and fooled you into thinking that.
If you're saying she didn't give people anything to be excited about, and she focused 'Trump is bad' then you imho did not follow the election, you followed social media and click bait.
Her platform was there, it was a great direction for this country to make us stronger, happier and represent the better aspects of American voters. I was very excited for it.
And personally, I didn't like her much at first, nor would I say she is ideal. But there are 3 choices: Harris, Trump, everything is fine. I was definitely excited to pick Harris with those being the only three options.
The issue is you can't teach someone who not only doesn't want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.
I also hope that those similar to your ideals focus on building you up for your common values, rather than arm chair criticisms while ignoring the deeply problematic other side of the equation.
I wish you all the luck in gathering voters behind your cause
Is anyone really that uninformed though?
People voted for the racist rapist. Ignorant would be a component
It's really fascinating how so many online have all the answers, and it would be so easy, and yet, you're not out there doing it
America voted for Trump, but you're going to blame the people who were working extremely hard to offer a viable alternative?
Sorry but that's bullshit and is harmful.
Voting is quintessential to getting us out of this mess and trying to downplay the power of voting is only beneficial to those currently in power.
There are many actions to take beyond voting, but there is one very specific reason trump is president right now: his people voted.
Wow, next you're going to say Orange lives don't matter.
Jokes aside, agreed, tolerating intolerance has little difference from supporting intolerance.
Yes, if we don't let the Nazis back in then we're no better than them!
I understand where you're coming from but I think there is an atmosphere tinging the conversation (and there are a lot of threads happening so maybe I'm the one doing that, not trying to be perfect here)
I'm not bitching about voters. I'm saying people are blaming Democrats, or Harris, or whoever they want to, but one side showed up with more people. I see you are continuing that as well by saying she ignored her own base.
More people showed up for what Trump was selling. Harris was certainly not ignoring her base in favor of the Cheneys but I think you mean they relatively to your expectations (?).
If she were leaning more right, then I guess that was the correct choice because that's who showed up to vote.
Saying she ran an awful campaign is a judgement, one neither of us qualified to make legitimately (correct me if I'm wrong and you have some relevant professional experience)
The voters spoke and said they did not see enough of a difference between Harris and Trump to vote for Harris, and the ones that saw a difference voted for Trump.
Harris was out there making her platform and politics known, performing at debates.