maga neighbour came over and lost morale

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

• Lyndon B. Johnson

"They can have theirs (money and racism) if they let me have mine (racism)." - a stupid fucking yokel

Yes but Trump, Musk, Thiel, and other billionaires will get a little bit richer

You all still don't get it.

It's not that people were convinced they'd get richer. It's that they've gotten significantly poorer over the last four years while Dems were in charge.

I actually believe it because it's exactly what happened in brexit. Conservatives voted to leave and then they found out what that meant.

Conservatives were so focused on winning that they didn't bother to actually look into Trump's "policies" and are now Pikachu faced when understanding it.

These are the same assholes that are going to completely forget two years from now that Trump raised prices and will still vote Republican in the midterms.

As an European: The Brexiteers who "suddenly" were excluded from free travel and prolonged stays within EU due to their own voting gave a stream of similar stories. It was and is hilarious to watch.

I do believe that such dialogues are really happening and will continue to happen in the US around the clock from now on.

For this to be true, a MAGA diehard would have to have listened to an explanation of what a tariff is from a left leaning person they are trying to taunt, understood the explanation, and believed the explanation that left leaning person gave them that disagrees with what Trump has said.

I have no doubt many MAGA types could understand the explanation, but when in gloat mode, I seriously doubt much listening would happen. Even if they did listen, the chances of them believing that explanation over Trump's seem low to me.

Just statistically they have to happen. There are millions of democrats with maga neighbors that cant shut up about shit but dont actually know what they are talking about. Whether these stories happen to the people that post about them is a different question.

I have a friend who has had success with pointing out that gutting social welfare systems means they won't get a check anymore.

But, those people were willing to have an actual conversation about it.

Yeah, it's the "the train stood up and clapped" bullshit that people post on their socials.

If these people knew anything about history they'd know about President Hoover raising tariffs, which prompted every country we traded with to do the same, making everything more expensive and worsening the Great Depression. The thing is, for all the podcasts and 24-Hour news voters in this country consume, they don't know jack shit other than to pull the lever for whichever candidate their preferred news network tells them to.

I literally had a very similar experience yesterday at a bar. (See my other post.) It definitely happens.

Okey, I get it now. That was funny, it just took reading the other comments first.

He says he’s really looking forward to prices coming down in the next four years.

Even absent the tariffs, its crazy to think prices will be coming down under a government that loves the idea of price gouging and speculation.

And it's been part of the conversation for the better party of a decade. There's zero excuse for the level of ignorance of some people.

I am by no means a bright example, but Bro you have a war going on with punctuation...

1 - Gloating

2 - Hubris

3 - Denial

4 - Doubt

5 - Leopards ate my face

I have a neighbor who voted for Trump. He relies on aspects of medicaid, to get insulin, that the GOP have directly targeted for removal from what it will cover. I told him this, he didn't believe me. So I showed him it in writing from a GOP source. He said that Trump will find some way for people like him to get their insulin. They just want this particular way gone because it's a bad method. I even pointed out that there was zero discussion of changing these policies, to make them more sensible, or anything like that, just an outline that they plan on stopping that coverage. He just doubled down that he won't be abandoned, they aren't just getting rid of the coverage, they are getting rid of THAT SPECIFIC WAY OF DOING IT because it is inefficient, or whatever.

If you explained that tariffs would hurt their income, and employment, in a way they understood, they would just assume there was something being cooked up to make sure that didn't happen. Now that all the manufacturing companies, here, are demonstrating that there will be big losses of profit margin, and cutting compensation to workers, they are mad. However, I personally doubt they will stay mad, or mad enough, or that they won't just end up blaming Joe Biden for it.

God, if only it was that easy.

These people will willfully forget the lesson within a day so they can go back to bootlicking.

The issue is you can't teach someone who not only doesn't want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.

Wouldn't have helped. Learning isn't what Americans do. Americans like finding things to be mad about and then making decisions based on their emotional responses.

Can't fix stupid without massively improving the public education system, and stupid Americans just elected the guys that ran on deconstructing the public education system.

We're done.

People wouldn't listen, because they've been pre-programmed to believe Harris is a liar.

What's more, Harris wouldn't say this, because it would require her to take a position favorable to global trade, a thing her target voter base hates.

Pandering to conservatives wasn't going to win her the election because she changed her rhetoric.

/c/thathappened

While I despise the reminder that reddit exists, I also appreciate the depth of information you're communicating with this simple post.

Yes, yes it does.

"It won't happen. And if it does, it's the Democrats' fault."

They'll just say the loans should be privatized. Because it turned out great last time we gave private companies free reign to swindle vulnerable populations into signing massive loans for societal necessities.

They're not at the damn it phase yet. They're still at the trigger the libs phase.

Americans are even dumber than that.

A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.

We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.

That's how stupid Americans are. And this election showed us that the majority of Americans are that stupid. When a majority of a society is that stupid, there are no happy endings. We're set for a period of long decline.

Yeah we're stocking up on everything we can now, so we can tighten our belts and hopefully save some money over the next few years, but also not directly give the oligarchs any more of our money. I've been researching local and woman owned businesses that I'd like to support for the necessities, and thankfully our grocery store is a local chain. I have a friend who is offering to make basic clothing, including underwear, in exchange for childcare, eggs, and produce. People around here are going to get creative and it's actually giving me some hope that things won't be as bad as we think.

I want a Honda Stepwagon or Toyota Hiace.

no one suffers more from conservative policy than poor, rural conservatives.

That's a nice fiction, but they're already so cut out of the fruits of the economy that its dubious at best.

The folks who suffer on net will be middle class professionals who see their economic floor drop out from under them. They'll be forced into living like poor, rural conservatives as prices skyrocket and disposable income dries up.

I, for one, will absolutely enjoy watching them suffer

You won't watch them suffer. You'll watch "Lifestyles of the Crypto Billionaire" on one channel and "Bum Fights: Disenfranchised Minority Edition" on the other because that's what the folks enriching themselves in the Trump economy want to show people.

Not so sure about the prices of firearms and ammunition remaining stable. Under Mango Mussolini, the fucknut MAGATs went into full panick buying mode and demand flew past supply resulting in price increases across the board.

How many gun manufacturers are actually based in the US? I’m fairly sure it’s like 2. Sig and Smith & Wesson… most firearms are imported. Including Springfield, which used to be a US manufacturer.

They will be manufactured elsewhere. Namely, places like Cambodia, Vietnam, and Mexico. Those factory jobs aren't coming to the US.

Hey look, it's one of the people who are going to suffer the consequences of their vote.

Tarrifs good cuz fuck china.

American industry has been pivoting away from China for over a decade, because their wages are outpacing India and Indonesia.

Meanwhile, Chinese exports are flooding into Latin America, rapidly improving the economic condition of big countries like Mexico and Brazil.

But sure. Let's see how this pans out.

China's economy is already undergoing a transformation and they've started moving their capital overseas. Chinese owned businesses will operate out of lots of other countries.

Also: it takes a long time for supply chains to handle change as we saw with the pandemic. How many years of high prices for Chinese goods before all of the manufacturing has left China? That is assuming that other countries can immediately match Chinese efficiency and don't have higher prices for many more years due to needing to recoup the initial expenditure.

Yeah it sucks that capitalists outsourced (and continue to outsource even in the service sector) all of your jobs, but they're doing it because even the meager amount of your production that was coming back into your pocket rather than lining theirs is too much for them to tolerate you having.

You're attacking the problem from the wrong angle because that's how they want you to attack it. Funny how the wealthiest American oligarchs aren't threatened by any of this economic change that's supposedly here to help the average American.

You're worried about "right to work" while Elon added 70 billion to his net worth and thousands of people (generations of his offspring) will never have to work a day in their extravagant lives.

Keep worrying about CHY-nuh, though.

Oh look, another rube who doesn't understand what a tariff is, how it works, or what it's supposed to be used for.

I fully agree with screw China, but learn to read a damn label to avoid their low quality trash. The looming Mango Mussolini trade war will increase prices.

You know what can't get "manufactured" in the U.S.? Things that can't be grown in the U.S.

So enjoy much more expensive coffee, tea, chocolate and even Coca-Cola.

Still focusing on identity politics instead of the actual ramifications of a choice based upon them, eh?

It's not your neighbor's fault you're an idiot.

If you vote for a party that's historically better for the economy and doesn't run convicted felons and rapists who illegally attempted to overturn an election, you are 100% smarter than the guy next door and you shouldn't have to pretend that you're not to appease them.

You're getting downvoted to hell, but it's true.

The total lack of empathy and unchecked arrogance on the part of Democrats helps explain why they lost the election.