Teen pizza delivery driver shot at multiple times after parking in the wrong driveway
Teen pizza delivery driver shot at multiple times after parking in the wrong driveway
As a late night cab driver, if you're ever wondering why I'm on the street rather than the driveway in your sketchy, pickup truck filled suburban neighborhood, this is why.
Give me a shady looking industrial district or run down residential neighborhood over semi-rural suburbia any day of the week. I feel much safer.
Yikes.
I'm like the exact opposite, but it's mostly because I've had bad experiences with gangbangers.
I was lily white guy living in ground zero of MS13 gangland in Los Angeles in the early 2000s for four years. I know it's crazy, but best neighbors I ever had. We all bbq'd together, watched each other's kids, and got along well.
One morning I was taking a bus to work. Two guys robbed me while I was standing at the bus stop. I had fifteen dollars, which I happily gave to them.
I went over to my neighbor that evening and told him what happened.
The next day, there was fifteen dollars in my mailbox.
I moved from there to high end HOA in Texas and holy hell it was miserable. I hated them all. They were the nosiest, most judgemental assholes imaginable. One lady would go walking down the alleys checking how many beer cans people had in their recycling and called the police on one house charging them with child neglect because of beer cans in their recycling bin. Fuck that neighborhood forever.
(There's a funny coda to the robbery. I smoked a lot back then. When they were done shoving the gun in my ribs and walking away, I blurted out, "guys, I'm stressed. Do one of you have a light?" and I swear on a stack of books of your choice that one of them turned around and lit my cigarette)
Oh boy, I can't even imagine... just parking in the street and suddenly: surprise gangbang on your hood
It also depends where. Suburban or exurban driveways in the South can be deadly with all the 2nd amendment hardliners. Especially in small or midsize cities. In northern or western urban or suburban areas, not as bad.
"So there I was, watching Fox News on one TV, NewsMax on another, dick in hand of course - I'm an alpha you see. And I see this dude trying to steal my freedoms. I ran after him, and I heard him say something woke. It was either "Sorry - wrong house" or "I want to rape your wife and abort the baby". I couldn't tell which. Of course I had my blue steel beauty in the hand I wasnt using to rub one out - so I started blasting...."
It’s amazing he managed to wank, hold the gun, and drink a gallon of Pabst Blue Ribbon with only two hands.
That's what the beer hat is for.
Huffing Right-Wing media all day turning people extremely paranoid for no actual reason.
Sortof the defining characteristic of regressives is that they are easily brainwashed by media. An enlarged amygdala makes them fear and rage-addicted.
That's exactly the reason. When push comes to shove, these are the people that will be willingly used for fodder on the front lines.
Knowledge Fight takes a critical look at Alex Jones(I put this in every post I make about him because I can't stand to listen to AJ direct, and I don't want people thinking I do). Anyway, he goes out to break quite often shouting stuff like THEYRE COMING FOR YOU, THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU, THEY'RE COMING FOR YOU!!! after having discussed the "demonic antifa/BLM/democrats coming to your houses."
Obviously not everyone is as sensationalist as Alex Jones, but he's been bragging about how other places have started sounding like him. Including Joe Rogan (probably more on Vax and stuff like that, but still)
I wonder how many vatniks went to the front line eager to kill some ukranians and then collect the medals and go home.
Babcock told police what he could see on his Ring camera made him think someone was breaking into his car, so he went outside and started shooting.
Turns out your life is not in danger of someone is breaking into your car and it is not legal to shoot at them. I'm guessing this dipshit considers himself a responsible gun owner.
I thought he wash damaging my car, so I attempted to damage it more with bullet holes.
Those are speed holes, they make the car go faster.
What the fuck are these people so scared of that they start blasting folk for pulling into their driveway? This seems to keep happening and nobody ever thinks to check up on the mf who almost blasted a delivery driver who got the wrong address? Forget just charging the dude with attempted murder, can we search the house and take away firearms from somebody so clearly irresponsible that they can't distinguish a genuine threat from an imagined one?
If the second amendment won't allow that to happen, then the amendment needs to be re-written.
A diet of fear mongering media with a heaping helping of social isolation.
Antisocial monsters are made surprisingly easily.
Maybe they just want to kill someone.
The second amendment absolutely would allow that to happen. To people purposefully misrepresenting what it says won't.
First, it says what it says because we need a militia to protect the nation, which was once true when an professional standing army wasn't expected but no longer is.
Second, the goal is for a well regulated militia. Even if we assume it still applies (it doesn't, but let's pretend), nothing about this is well regulated. Make sure people have training if you're going to let people own firearms so freely.
It wasn't that a professional standing army "wasn't expected" - in fact they were quite common at the time. Standing armies don't tend to go unused, they make it easy for asshole politicians to pick stupid fights with other countries. Not having one was a deliberate choice we made to avoid such things, and for the most part it worked, for a little while at least.
As a responsible gun owner: they can and should take his guns away. There's multiple felonies he can be charged with and he'll almost certainly be convicted of at least one.
It's more about hate and bravado than fear.
It may be in the constitution, but I doubt the founding fathers envisaged that you'd all be such fuckwits.
The founding fathers are much worse then this guy. founding fathers owned slaves, this dude only traumatized one person.
$50k bond for almost killing the delivery driver. Bullet hole upper part of the driver door for assuming that the truck was being stolen.
Either he hates dominos or his wife cheated on him with a delivery driver.
Dude fired seven times, and three hit the car. What a menace, should have been charged with attempted murder.
I don't understand why he wasn't charged with attempted murder. This is a bullshit defense.
Babcock said he went outside and "began shooting at the truck" to "disable" it...
Yes, killing the driver would do that.
I don’t understand why he wasn’t charged with attempted murder.
Because...
Tennessee
He should be stripped of his weapons for his lack of discipline.
I'm not sure about the exact laws where the incident occurred, but in several other states that I know the law of, aggravated assault carries the exact same penalties as attempted murder. Because of the wording of the two laws, aggravated assault is much easier to prove. If you're a prosecutor, why would you not go with the easier to prove, exact same penalty crime?
I am not a lawyer, but I suspect you would need to prove the intent to kill to call it murder, and given plausible explanation it is nearly impossible, due to presumption of innocence.
I have to be honest, I was surprised the delivery driver wasn't black. This idiot was just ready to kill someone, anyone. He's probably been looking out his front window, gun in hand, at every little noise for months or years.
And even if the kid was trying to steal an empty car, this guy would still go to prison if he killed him because no one's life or health was in danger. Stealing a car is not a capital offense.
Maybe some gun nut can help me with this. If the teen had, say an AR15 because he was concerned about running into some wild hogs. If he ducked down and started firing back in a clearly self defense situation, would he fine in doing this?
Or does it depend on the color of his skin?
Nevermind the racial part.
Your scenario actually highlights a good point, what kind of society do we want to live in? Some western everyone for them selves, shoot first talk later, or do we want to live in a civilized society?
My belief is that guns in general make us less safe. Both of the individuals in this story would be safer if neither had any guns. As well as the entire neighborhood, would also be safer without guns.
I’ll take the civilized society please. Unfortunately I seem to be surrounded by people who think they’re the badass, and they advocate for their ideal Wild West shoot first world from the comfort of their suburban home.
That's what I was point out when Rittenhouse got away with murder. We are building a last man standing justice system.
Nevermind the racial part.
Yeah I don't think I will... This isn't happening in a vacuum.
guns don't kill people... stupid does.
there are countries with guns AND no crime.
That’s funny I view “everyone for themselves” as the definition of a civilized society.
There theoretically could be a situation where two people shoot at each other and both can claim self-defense, but it would be convoluted.
Self defense does not apply if a person legally provokes the attacker. Now legal provocation means committing a crime, not telling a yo mama joke. As an example, if I try to rob a bank and someone starts shooting at me, I can't claim self defense because I provoked them by robbing a bank.
So in this case, depends on if the trespassing is a crime that would count as legal provocation. If not, delivery guy is allowed to return fire. And I hope every sane person agrees it is not a provocation or a crime.
Edit: So in this case, the only provocation could be trespassing, if parking in some ones driveway counted. Which it almost certainly does not as explained in replies to this comment. In addition, I am not sure trespassing would qualify as provocation, this may depend on state laws and the details of the trespass.
Edit 2: Just to make it even clearer, the answer is yes. I believe the delivery driver could legally return fire, but I am not a lawyer.
Pulling into someone's driveway isn't trespassing as a general rule, unless you know they don't want you there.
Trespass at its heart is legally something you need to have had intent to do. "No trespassing" signs or verbal warnings to leave inform someone that this is land they aren't wanted on, so are pretty important in proving trespassing.
This is also why door-to-door salesman and missionaries aren't sued out of existence. Both use the land in an attempt to offer something to the owner, its a legitimate use, as long as they leave when told.
But since the delivery man believed he had explicit permission, since he thought this was the house that ordered a pizza, it's perfectly legal. He just would've had to leave when he was told to go.
But the pizza man did nothing to provoke shooting, so I expect the owner gets no self-defense argument here. Just the pizza guy.
This would not be criminal trespassing though. They would have to have been told to leave then, given an appropriate amount of time to leave, they refuse to do so, you now have a criminal trespass. Just pulling into someone's driveway isn't gonna cut it. Everyone has the legal right to enter your open property for the purpose of contacting you.
It's not just theoretical. Kyle Rittenhouse shot Gaige Grosskreutz and successfully claimed self-defense because Grosskreutz incidentally pointed his gun at Rittenhouse because he was moving his hands around while he was attempting to deescalate the situation. If that's true, then on the other side, Grosskreutz could've shot Rittenhouse and also met the standard for self-defense. After all, Rittenhouse pointed his gun at him after he'd already greased two other dudes. In that case, "self-defense" was just a matter of who shot first.
American law be all sorts of fucked.
Self defense does not apply if a person legally provokes the attacker
Yes it does. Rittenhouse
On the presumption that robbing a bank is always an armed robbery, yeah, the law is likely going to tolerate parties using violence to stop the robbery if they think they are preventing harm.
Trespassing with intent to deliver a pizza is not going to cut it as justification since nobody was in physical danger. Probably not even in Texas since no property was in danger. He wasn't even warned to exit the property, and he wasn't fired on until he was leaving.
IANAL but there is absolutely no chance of a self-defense claim here. His best move will be to take whatever plea bargain his lawyer can get.
I don’t know about the law, but morally he would have been fully justified in returning fire. Getting your attacker to take cover forces them to stop firing at you. That’s the utility of “covering fire”.
However, his best move overall was driving away. Returning fire while driving away would have been fine, but delaying his leaving to stop and return fire would have had no benefit.
Again, not sure what the laws says here.
The ONLY ONLY ONLY way to Prevent this is to make sure TEENAGE DELIVERY DRIVERS shoot at every home they pull up in before getting out!
If the driver had a gun, and the neighbors had guns then this would have never happened....
/s
The only acceptable vehicle to deliver good in is a Toyota pickup with a 50 cal welded onto the back.
Good way to let people know their Pizza is hear. Maybe shoot at their lawn?
Please make sure this fuckhead is never allowed to touch a firearm for the rest of his life. And give him a few years in a secluded spot to think about what he did wrong.
Sincerely,
Responsible Gun Owners
You know what this guy was before he tried to kill someone for the first time?
A responsible gun owner.
"Responsible" as in "doesn't know the laws regarding firearms ownership in his area so he just tried to shoot someone he was never legally allowed to even if he was breaking into his car?"
Trust me on this one, anyone who owns guns but doesn't know how to use them safely, efficiently, and legally, isn't "responsible," as those are prerequisites for "responsibility."
If all it takes is 40 questions and some for show handling test? The system is fucked and not strict as others would make you believe.
Car license is 10x harder here and that's still loose.
Eh, he clearly was not, but I'm not here to get into a debate about guns or gun control. We definitely need way less of the former and way more of the latter but everybody has different ideas on that and I've had that online argument dozens of times.
The difference between a responsible gun owner and a fucking lunatic with a firearm is one mistake.
Signed.
He's been charged with a felony, the only thing that could "save" him there is pleading down or acquittal. We do have some laws, y'know.
This fucking country. 🤦♂️
Thank goodness for living in a civilized country where things like that simply don't happen.
I can't imagine anyone being so cowardly and scared of their own shadow that they would even want to own a handgun
Absolute fucking shitebags
This and what else makes the mind boggle is how these Walmart-fed, low self-control guys think they would be able to properly handle themselves in a crisis situation like an armed burglary or amok run for example. Watching too many hero movies probably fucked up the American psyche for good. Look how often even trained police officers who outman the perpetrator 20:1 get shot before they can kill or subdue the target. And Billy Bob thinks that he could handle professional criminals if they come to rob his house at gunpoint and would stand a chance lmao It’s like those Jan 6th guys thinking they have a fighting chance against the US military
I am sorry, but as a handgun owner, I must disagree. In the civilized world, owning a (hand)gun usually means you have to pass some kind of test.
In my country, it is a written test of about 40 questions where only one single mistake is allowed, non-live gun manipulation where you have to basically be flawless, and then live gun manipulation and firing.
The law is pretty strict, which means actually using a gun to defend yourself has to be absolutely last resort.
canada?
About any country apart from the US and some that are involved in active external or internal wars.
Holy shit you guys need some serious help.
Who knew that guns and violence in the media would not be an explosive combo?
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Tennessee again. Goddamn, Tennessee what the living fuck is happening over there?
Fox.
Everyone’s afraid of the immigrants and minorities because the right wing media needs a boogeyman to keep them donating.
And pizza delivery drivers continue to be pretty badass.
The Deliverator belongs to an elite order, a hallowed subcategory. He's got esprit up to here. Right now, he is preparing to carry out his third mission of the night. His uniform is black as activated charcoal, filtering the very light out of the air. A bullet will bounce off its arachnofiber weave like a wren hitting a patio door, but excess perspiration wafts through it like a breeze through a freshly napalmed forest. Where his body has bony extremities, the suit has sintered armorgel: feels like gritty jello, protects like a stack of telephone books.
When they gave him the job, they gave him a gun. The Deliverator never deals in cash, but someone might come after him anyway-might want his car, or his cargo. The gun is tiny, aero-styled, lightweight, the kind of gun a fashion designer would carry; it fires teensy darts that fly at five times the velocity of an SR-71 spy plane, and when you get done using it, you have to plug it into the cigarette lighter, because it runs on electricity.
The Deliverator never pulled that gun in anger, or in fear. He pulled it once in Gila Highlands. Some punks in Gila Highlands, a fancy Burbclave, wanted themselves a delivery, and they didn't want to pay for it. Thought they would impress the Deliverator with a baseball bat. The Deliverator took out his gun, centered its laser doohickey on that poised Louisville Slugger, fired it. The recoil was immense, as though the weapon had blown up in his hand. The middle third of the baseball bat turned into a column of burning sawdust accelerating in all directions like a bursting star. Punk ended up holding this bat handle with milky smoke pouring out the end. Stupid look on his face. Didn't get nothing but trouble from the Deliverator.
Since then the Deliverator has kept the gun in the glove compartment and relied, instead, on a matched set of samurai swords, which have always been his weapon of choice anyhow. The punks in Gila Highlands weren't afraid of the gun, so the Deliverator was forced to use it. But swords need no demonstrations.
The Deliverator's car has enough potential energy packed into its batteries to fire a pound of bacon into the Asteroid Belt. Unlike a bimbo box or a Burb beater, the Deliverator's car unloads that power through gaping, gleaming, polished sphincters. When the Deliverator puts the hammer down, shit happens. You want to talk contact patches? Your car's tires have tiny contact patches, talk to the asphalt in four places the size of your tongue. The Deliverator's car has big sticky tires with contact patches the size of a fat lady's thighs. The Deliverator is in touch with the road, starts like a bad day, stops on a peseta.
Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it-talking trade balances here-once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here-once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel-once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity-y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else:
- music
- movies
- microcode (software)
- high-speed pizza delivery
The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator's report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills."
So now he has this other job. No brightness or creativity involved-but no cooperation either. Just a single principle: The Deliverator stands tall, your pie in thirty minutes or you can have it free, shoot the driver, take his car, file a class-action suit. The Deliverator has been working this job for six months, a rich and lengthy tenure by his standards, and has never delivered a pizza in more than twenty-one minutes.
-- Snow Crash
I need to read this again.
Great book!
I get angry enough that a cop pulling me over for speeding carries a gun, or that every emergency call needs to be responded to by jackbooted, militarized thugs when less than 15% ever involve violence. I can't imagine living in a country where every scared little baby had easy access to firearms.
What astounds me is it's clearly a losing battle. Our statistics are terrible. The proliferation of firearms makes us no safer and in fact leads to a plethora of terrible side-effects that yield a net-negative upon society. Even the Wild West was no safer, hence why both Dodge City and Tombstone both implemented gun control laws.
It only makes sense. Easy access to firearms benefits the deranged and criminal since they're the ones with the willingness to abuse them and we don't live in Minority Report where the defender can easily shoot first.
If I were in a job where 15% of my professional interactions involved violence, you bet your ass I’d be as armed and armored as possible.
This is why I always advocate for arming and armoring the homeless.
The thin bread line will always be more dangerous than the blue one
Yep, delivery drivers are twice as likely to be shot at as cops. Always respect the thin bread crust.
The modern day bullet proof vest (using kevlar) was invented by a pizza delivery driver.
Not an American, but I really don't get these stories. It has to be legal to enter somebody's driveway, right? How else are you supposed to ring someone's doorbell?
It absolutely is and the people who shoot at others for showing up on their property are 100% paranoid assholes watching too much Fox News. Hell, you can even legally camp on private property as long as you're not within view of the house. I don't suggest doing that, on account of the crazies.
Wait a minute tell me about this law that says Americans are allowed to camp on private property: like they can do that without permission of the property owner? as long as not within view of the house?
Need a citation for that last bit
Many EU countries have freedom to roam laws to allow access accross undeveloped private property, this includes as you said camping as long as you leave the land as found.
In the US i know of no state allowing such, and the ability of the person traversing the land to sue the owner means the default is no treasspassing signs everywhere. this isnt to say if you were unsure if the land was private and there is no sign/indicator of tresspassing you coulding walk through but that isnt strictly giving you the right to access the land
in western States quite a bit of land is federally owned and behaves more like right to roam, this has made odd cases there is a cheker board patern between two federal land areas and private property and what to do when a hunter says steps over the corner of the private properties between the two public access areas.
Trespassing isn't established until you've been told to leave and don't do so (hence why we have no trespassing signs), the shooter had no right to fire shots at this guy. He should go straight to prison.
this is not entirely accurate.
If you know you're somewhere you don't belong, you're trespassing. For example, you can't chill in some random backyard until someone comes out to tell you otherwise.
property owners (residential or otherwise) don't really want to ugly-up their properties with "no trespassing" signage that doesn't usually work and really only encourages teens to see what's on the other side of the fence.
Does that mean he could have taken shots if he posted a no trespassing sign?
apparently not. I looked it up out of curiosity:
the requirements for lethal force:
- Person not engaged in unlawful activity;
- Person in a place they have a legal right to be;
- Reasonable belief of imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury;
- The danger creating the belief of imminent death or serious bodily injury is real, or honestly believed to be real at the time;
- The belief is founded on reasonable grounds.
this would fail the last one.
He can shoot at people because he was sold a gun and anyone who has a gun can shoot at anybody they decide. What we're actually waiting to learn is "Will this former responsible gun owner get away with shooting at people?".
If the answer is "yes" then other gun owners are going to do the same thing because they want to shoot at people.
If the answer is "no because he didn't have a 'no trespassing' sign" then gun owners are going to buy "no trespassing" signs and then shoot at people, because they want to shoot at people.
I don't think a good-faith misdelivery is trespassing, so no. Unless you want any delivery to be done by throwing the box from the curb.
Found the mugshot. Looks like the kind of chud who’s scared of his own shadow. Fucking asshole
The number of gun owners who want to shoot someone is likely much higher than the number of gun owners who genuinely fear for their life when someone stops in their driveway but both of them will say "I feared for my life" when questioned.
Hmm. Wonder who that guy voted for...
Dunald Tormp
Is it just me or does he look like this guy from marvel with a fake moustache
If I were that boys dad, Hell hath no furry like what I would do to that shooter.
only one way I can comment this
My friend tells me that her in-laws in rural Missouri are cutting holes into the walls to hide guns so they are prepared for attacks from antifa.
I know a guy who in 2021 saw a single teenage girl with a BLM sign on a street corner outside St. Louis and has a panic attack, proceeded to invest in home security.
Seriously. He saw it as a signal that his 'enemies' who would be his enslavers are invading his space and that he wouldn't be safe.
Was their response “oh I didn’t realise their family were fascists”?
Her response was that she and her family would no longer visit them actually.
But that was always obvious, wasn't it?
Psychotic behavior. I agree with the victim: this lunatic should be charge with attempted murder.
ETA: and be forbidden from ever owning firearms.
Ag assault is a felony in TN, either way, barring acquittal or pleading down to a misdemeanor, no more guns for him.
What the fuck is wrong with some Americans
The absolute state of the United States. Jesus christ
No shit, when seeing this, I'm glad I don't have to worry about guns...
Totally normal. Not brain damage at all. 😐
Me: * checks to make sure this wasn't Georgia *
Me: "Tennessee, thank God... oh and the delivery driver wasn't killed, that's good too."
I'm not American and I'll never understand your fascination with guns.
But to me the important aspect is the driver was already moving away when shot at, or immediately did so once shooting began.
Surely this invalidates any self defense claim? If you shoot and they retreat, you stop shooting, right?
It actually varies state by state which is part of the problem.
Here in Oregon, there are only 3 use cases where lethal force is allowed:
That's it.
In Tennessee...
"(c) Unless a person is justified in using deadly force as otherwise provided by law, a person is not justified in using deadly force to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on real estate or unlawful interference with personal property."
BUT:
https://www.mcelaw.com/blog/what-are-the-rules-on-self-defense-in-tennessee/
"According to Tennessee law, individuals can use deadly force if they reasonably believe it is necessary to avoid death or serious bodily injury at the hands of another person."
So in this case, even if Pizza guy had been messing with perps car, lethal force wouldn't be authorized.
I don’t think he’d win, but Tennessee is a castle doctrine state.
If he had reasonable belief that the pizza delivery driver was breaking in, the home owner is likely justified to use deadly force.
I’m pretty sure it doesn’t apply to shooting out of your house unless you’re being shot at, though.
I’m not American and I’ll never understand your fascination with guns.
Hell, I’m a born and raised Texan and I don’t get it either.
I'm from Finland and I definitely get it. It's the same exact reason for why I loved shooting soda cans with my bb gun as a kid and airsofting as little older. I'd definitely buy a real one if I could and I'm glad I can't.
Babcock told police what he could see on his Ring camera made him think someone was breaking into his car, so he went outside and started shooting.
He's already invalidated that claim with his own words. In the US you're only allowed to use deadly force in proportional response, to prevent death or great bodily injury to yourself or another innocent party.
Sorry, but that's not exactly right, because in several areas, the prevention of death or great bodily harm also includes the scenario where if you were to attempt to reclaim control over your property, you would be putting yourself in those same risk categories. See 9.42 (3)(B) here, where I have had the misfortune of having to research the law before. In other words, if you think the person is stealing your stuff and could harm you if you try to recover said stuff... well, you're 'legally' allowed to start blasting.
generally, the right to self defense requires a reasonable belief that there is imminent, severe bodily harm; and even then, the measures you take must be proportionate and reasonable. every state has it's own nuances, though.
As far as the general laws go... somebody standing on a street corner leering at you? it's proportionate and reasonable to cross the street. Somebody brandishes a firearm and says they're going to kill you? it's reasonable to believe them. (unless you know them, and you know they're joking. Details. those kind of jokes aren't really funny though.)
Simple trespass is not itself a threat. The teen was presumably unarmed. At no point was the asshole reasonably in need of self defense.
Mostly yes. Consider an actual deadly threat with someone shooting at you. You start shooting back and they duck for cover. They shoot again, you shoot again, and again they duck for cover. If I was on that jury, I'm not convicting you for shooting at the person ducking for cover. This is an extremely specific and nuanced hypothetical. So mostly yes, but there could be some million to one scenario that doesn't follow that track.
The "castle doctrine" and everyone who's misunderstanding it is reminding me a LOT of a "localized purge" - been watching the first 2-3 films lately and season 1 (surprisingly good) and it's chilling to see the real state of the US these days. Used to be my favourite travel destination in the 90s, then still a great place to go for business trips in the 2000s - but never again will I set foot on that unholy land where every insane person can get a gun and murder you on the spot and will likely get away with it.
Never mind that the 90s was a peak for violent crime mainly due to the war on drugs, and it's safer now than it was then...
Nobody seems to be misunderstanding it but you. This is the kind of country these people want.
Many of us are trapped by the choices of our Fox-brainwashed elderly population.
The absolutely morally bankrupt and spoiled boomers dominating the voting population with blind allegiance and rising evengelicism over the last 50 years got us here. Basically, the most self centered and selfish generation in modern American history is hell bent on fucking every generation that follows them.
A lot of us have chosen and chosen and chosen otherwise in futility. Even when we've had the opportunity for progress it was tempered by trying to appease the other party; in the name of bipartisanship we get a neutered health care plan that still has grift built directly into the system.
I suppose I forgot the quotes around "misunderstanding" - maybe should have rephrased to "deliberately misinterpreting". Either way, I agree & it is a sad and depressing world in which people get murdered daily because some asshole with a gun wanted blood...
People are convicted of murder by the hundreds if not thousands every day
And this contradicts my point how?
They want cash tips, not hollow tips
Shit I delivery drove for 10yr, and I definitely got paid with a couple boxes of JHPs in that time. A lot more pizza drivers are strapped than you think and some take alternate forms of payment (commonly weed, but bullets and other trades are certainly not unheard of.)
Its not that he thinks that this is normal behaviour, its that so many Americans think that this is normal behaviour.
Fucking mouth-breathing vermin...
Are people just itching to use their guns or something? What the fuck
Today, two strangers knocked on my door. They were there to spread some bullshit or another, didn't really care. Told them to go away, which they did.
I really hope that this situation is the norm, and that the news headline is the outlier. But at this point I'm not sure.
It is. Situations like yours don't make the news.
Coming up to a strange house NEEDS to be a cautious dance involving photos of Picture ID sent to someone and a very brief statement of your business. In a place with so many guns and shysters, we don't have time to open the door for people selling vacuums or invisible friends. And by the time you strike out at one house and try another, everyone on the block chat group needs to know what you're selling.
I read the interview and this dude seems surprisingly chill after a guy tried to kill him.
It’s Tennessee, what do you expect from a state that types its name with a stutter.
All home delivery services can be suspended. Like the Amazon guy, the UPS guy, the mailman, the pizza guy, nobody is coming to your door anymore pretty soon. It's only takes a few quacks for this kind of thing.
what a goddamn shithole
Clearly we should arm delivery drivers with frag grenades.
It would be consistent with how the right likes to "solve" gun violence in schools.
Grenades sales wouldn't be as profitable to gun manufacturers as handguns and rifles, which is why its rare to see "grenades should he covered by the second amendment" but common to see "the answer to all these guns is even more guns".
It's no different to the days when tobacco companies claimed smoking was actually good for lung conditions, knowing full well that it wasn't.
Grenades sales wouldn't be as profitable
Well yeah, you're more likely to actually hit your target...
Dead bodies cant buy a new gun and return fire
Why not a Mk 19 mounted on their delivery vehicle?
I didn't say not too...
I wonder, does his homeowner insurance cover the damage? Do you go through your insurance?
‘MURICA!!
What a culture!
Hey watch your mouth, I might have to shoot you!
That is the american way
I’m so glad I live in Massachusetts. Feels like the last bastion of sanity.
Or somewhere not in the us.
Hard to say though
If you don’t wanna get shot, don’t have a job.
Edit: /s, but I thought that was obvious.
You can get the death penalty for a lot of things in the United States.
Death penalties follow a trial. These are just summary executions. Fuck, sometimes they don't even follow a crime.
You're missing my commentary. In the United States, some of the things that are punishable by death include pulling I to the wrong driveway, walking down the street, being asleep in your own bed, going to school, being black, being outside, etc.
These are only a few of the crimes that Americans get shot to death for, on a regular basis.
Leave Trump out of this! /s
But you haven't even send thoughts and prayers dude, start there
🦅
We've turned into a nation of cowards. Just completely craven people who shoot first and ask questions later because the news has made them terrified that they'll be murdered in their beds, despite violent crime being historically low, comparatively speaking.
Having mingled with the gun community for some time, there are a lot of level-headed people among gun owners but there are also a worrying amount of terminally fearful people with violent ideation. Many are likely one bad life event, one half-cocked response to an uncertain situation from being a mugshot on a news story like this prick.
This is why US has so much gun violence. Like rabid dog owners assuring you theyre safe. You just havent seen them when theyre not level headed, we're all emotional apes.
The problem is that both groups have the same ease of access to weapons.
Until there are a lot more reliable ways to tell the 2 groups apart, weapons need to be a lot more difficult to get your hands on.
Yeah. I have friends that won't even let their kids walk a quarter mile to school, in one of the safest communities in the entire state. It's insane. The media has put the fear of "but what if..." into so many people.
You've got better odds winning the lottery than what these people are afraid of. Be smart, be savvy, be aware of your surroundings and watch out for the oblivions as you go about your business. But there's no need to be afraid of everything around you.
In that situation I'm concerned about other drivers, and also the child not paying attention while staring at their phone. I have seen sooo many teens just step off the curb and walk across the street without even looking up from their phone. Stranger Danger would have nothing to do with it.
There needs to be a better balance between the latch key kid independence/responsibility and the absolute lack of trust in your kids and your community to just not be child kidnapping murderers???
Awareness prevents the vast majority of dangerous situations. Carrying is actually more likely to escalate situations into being dangerous than not. even a basic situational awareness will keep you far safer than a fire arm ever will.
I agree that people shouldn't be afraid of this stuff, but I think you underestimate the odds of winning the lottery and your chances of being murdered.
Around 32,000 homicides/year in the US. 333,000,000 people, so about 1 in 100,000.
Powerball odds are 1 in 292,000,000.
Everything is a threat. Thank you Faux News and the rest.
Different color skin - threat
Gay - threat
Trans - threat
Environmental rules - threat
Immigration - thread
Vegetarian - threat
Equality - threat
Atheism - threat
Non-western religion - threat
Woke - threat
Electric cars - threat
The list is endless. Everything is a threat to them. Their pocketbooks, their marriage, their jobs, their theism, their TV, their guns…
An endless barrage of threats that they are constantly reminded of.
What can they do against all these threats? Elect a Strong Man that will crack skulls, He Has All The Answers. But those pesky libs keep getting in the way, so you gotta take matters into your own hands. Thank god and the good ol’ USA you can have a personal arsenal at arm’s reach to instantly panic-fire at that dark-skinned person pulling into your driveway who wants to steal your TV.
The "I feared for my life" rhetoric is just an excuse to shoot people, borrowed from police when they wanted to shoot people. You don't have to politely believe them just because they said it.
Yeah this was just a car in the driveway right ? No one is fearing for their life over that.
Violent crime being historically low except for idiots who shoot at people for turning around in their driveway, ringing the wrong doorbell, etc...
I've talked about in in several other posts regarding gun control.
The rampant media sowing fear is poison. It's the culture that's being fostered that's more dangerous than the guns. "Fuck around and find out" and "come try and take them" keeps reinforcing that guns are a totally normal thing to use to solve problems.
The NRA fear paranoia narrative has permeated our society. Add to that those who feel inferior so they carry a gun to feel powerful. Now add the hate farming by Russian trolls and right wing media, (the two are the same, with different names)
How often I witness roadrage/aggressive drivers makes the mass gunownership in this country kind of terrifying. I've seen a truck try to push another car off the road for getting off a left hand exit. I can only assume the truck driver was mad at the car for "being in the way." The power tripping and entitlement to being aggressive towards others combined with your list of problematic cultural phenomenon and guns is horrifying.
I saw an ad for a news app that literally said "fear watch"
So you can always be on top of what to be afraid of next!
You’re right that the vast majority are cowards, but you also have psychos who jerk off to a fantasy of shooting someone. There are all kinds of crazies out there just looking for a reason, and they’re getting crazier in their psycho echo chambers.
But it's a great chance to exercise your right to be left alone by shysters.