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Moss @lemmy.blahaj.zone

WE ARE MOVING TO LEMMY.WORLD!!

edit: As I'm seeing a lot of worry about the impact this will/could have on the community, please be assured we have the same mod team, and will be holding the community to the same standards. the same things that were always allowed will continue to be allowed and the same things that got things removed before will continue to get things removed before. Lemmy.world admins have agreed to allow us to run our community on our terms.
It is my pleasure to announce that effective immediately, we are transferring our community to Lemmy.world! This has been a few months in the making, so my entire mod team is already on board.
FAQ:
Why?
That's a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada's excellent team of admins. We are on good terms with Ada and her team, and have gotten her consent to do this. In addition to this, we have had ongoing issues with federation and moderation that has caused a subpar experience for many people on other instances.
How does this work?
Currently, as there is not an easy way to transfer an entire community (trust me, we checked), we are locking the community as mod-only, and moving our focus to the 196 on lemmy.world. For you guys, functionally nothing has changed.
What about the posts?
Well, we tried to transfer them, but there was no real way to do so without absolutely destroying lemmy.world's federation. For this reason, we are simply archiving this community as mod-only. Everything is staying up, you just won't be able to post new content. Comments are still enabled, so we will continue to check our modlogs for some time after the transfer has settled.
As for the posts on lemmy.world's 196, we're leaving those up too. From this point onwards, all posts made to that community are beholden to the rules you are all used to, but anything pre-existing is getting grandfathered in.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PLEASE PUT THEM IN THE COMMENTS OF THIS POST, AND I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
Once again, here's the link to our new apartment of awesome. (universal: !196@lemmy.world)

288 comments

  • For the love of god, leave this community here and just create a new mod team instead. This community being on Blåhaj specifically is a big plus for a lot of us

  • It’s pretty clear what the community consensus here is.

    You can leave, and start a new 196 community wherever you like. Leave this one as is, and people can choose to follow one, both or neither.

    Locking it here is very hostile to the community and a categorically bad move. I hope the instance admins can step in, remove the mods and unlock the community.

  • I'm sorry, but lemmy.world was the worst possible decision for a place to relocate to. I wouldn't follow you there even if I could. If you really have to go with a big, liberal instance that will let you moderate however you want at least you should have gone with lemm.ee. They're not making lemmy monolithic, not as much of a troll magnet, and far more competent at what they do.

  • This move is going to make the community a lot less welcoming to queer folk, by virtue of being on .world alone. I don't know what rift between Ada and you let to that decision, but I think it's a big mistake. It feels especially bad for us members of this community not being involved in the decision making process at all, all the more if this has truly been "months in the making".

    With that said: I strongly implore you to not lock down the community, and instead let a new mod team take over. Not having centralized decisions and power tripping mods is one of the big hopes I had for the fediverse, and this... feels really bad. It's not a bad thing to have several similar communities on different instances! Please don't destroy this one over personal grievances

  • Wow this is disappointing. Lemmy world seems so massive already which kinda defeats the purpose of federating a bit I feel. Too centralized. I’m just waiting for the seemingly inevitable implosion of world haha.

    I mean ultimately it’s whatever, it is what it is and I’ll follow 196 wherever it goes.

  • What rotten news.

    If you want to move to some big reddit-like instance, then you move you and let the ones that what to meme in a safe space do it. As you've noticed, communities can't be moved to other instances. I would ask you to kindly take the hint.

    imho you should simply start your far reaching 196 elsewhere and leave this one to be modded by someone else. Not everybody is fond of playing in traffic.

  • I want to add my voice to the others asking for tranfering to a new mod team. You don't have to kill the community, let people who want it on blahaj.zone keep using it. The worst that can happen is the quality of posts being lower.

  • I would like to propose a solution that I think can make everyone happy. Transfer ownership of Blahaj 196 to a new mod team and make World 196 the alternate community. If anyone wishes to follow the original mod team into world they would be able to, meanwhile blahaj 196 would follow the values of Blahaj. I personally volunteer to either be the head or a moderator here.

  • I'm sorry but what the fuck are you on?

    lemmy.world

    Literally the worst instance for a decentralized platform (cuz they're already too big).

    please be assured we have same mod team

    No that doesn't assure me. Whichever mods signed off on this should be removed from any 196 community because you took rule too seriously and forgot about your community before posting

    It's really obvious what this is about. And it's not a good look for you.

    • If you don't want to get into it yourself, totally cool, but if anyone else does - what is this about?? Like, I don't understand the moderatorial and ideological differences referenced that justify bringing 196 to .world.

      I loved having 196 on blahaj specifically, means more exposure to my trans and gender diverse homies and their memes because they feel safe here.

      Edit: To those just joining us, who like me comment before reading the whole thread, this is a good place to start: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12464713

      [Edit edit: Changed to a LBZ link, because having it be the lemmy.world link is the height of irony]

      • I can only guess that this is about this instance's zero-tolerance policy for transphobia. This means there might be higher standards for removing transphobic content than the mods might be capable of meeting / willing to meet. This is just a guess, though - I would like some clarification as well, esp. since in the absence of clarity it just looks like 196 is moving because they don't want to be vigilant about removing transphobic content, which as nimble pointed out is not a good look. 🤷‍♀️

        EDIT: found the answer

        https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713

        in response to the question:

        Compromise on what? What’s the issue?

        The post doesn’t really say anything spesific [sic]

        We get this response:

        A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world:

        Heavy-handed moderation, mostly. Don’t get me wrong, we do love Ada and appreciate her work, but sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.

        To put it bluntly, (and I mean no disrespect, but) her mod actions often felt very vibes-based. Like her feelings heavily influenced her decisions. We want the rules to be enforced in a more objective fashion.

        So we asked her to let us handle 196 if the content in question wasn’t explicitly trans/queerphobic or illegal, etc… She disagreed, and we respect her view, so we brought up the idea of moving and she gave us her blessing.

        so tl;dr disagreements about 1. what counts as violations, and 2. the severity of punishment for those violations (where Blahaj admins are perceived as too strict and 196 mods wish to be more lenient).

      • Basically lemmy.blahaj.zone has gotten some criticism because of the server rules and stickied instance posts where we are to respect everyone's identity/neopronouns. There are a few people who identity as something people consider not real, such as dragons. Neopronouns arent necessarily meant to be literally real, and someone may identify as something they feel resembles them such as a dragon, or "fae". But some people believe that since dragons/fae/etc don't literally exist then they aren't valid identities/neopronouns. These people think that lemmy.blahaj.zone is enabling trolls identifing as non-real things. It also means that people in this 196 community need(ed) to respect people's identities even if they didn't think they were valid. Apparently that was too much to ask for the mods of this community.

        Personally i don't know, nor do i care, if the 1-2 people are trolling. If they are, they aren't typical nasty trolls. They are just like any other user to me. Imo If someone wants to identify as a dragon then good for them. If anything it helps identify people who are openly combative with the instance rules.

        All that is to say, it was clear to me that the mods want to move to another instance where they don't have to respect identities they don't consider valid. And my suspicion was right because the mod spelled it out down thread

        [...] I can guarantee we will not be expected to entertain trolls [...]

  • Hey so im just a lurker but im really worried about this move:

    We all know Meta just allowed all sorts of vile anti lgbt posting on their platform so how do we know .world isn't going that way?

    You said you have a line to the top admin, is that Ruud who wants to federate with Threads, a Meta product that will allow transphobia against community members?

    "Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative" - LW admins

    Especially concerning since they are forcing communities to allow dissent, just like Meta, so TERFs can just roll up in this community and you have to allow them?

    • Good point, I even forgot about that

    • I think I sort of understand what they meant when they talked about narratives, although I interpret it as being extremely naïve. Sure, it's true that people often only defend one narrative because it's the only one they know, and haven't been exposed to other ones (or at least in a way where they actually thought critically about it and haven't just refuted the "new" perspective on first sight). But it's extremely unrealistic to think that people will change their opinion due to a couple of comments on the Internet (specially when people have joked for years that disscussions on the Internet never go anywhere). Not just that, but by saying that you want people to be able to voice other narratives and not specifying if those include things like hate speech (even if you thought of not including those), you're scaring the shit out of marginalized communities that use the platform, which get a lot of hate every day and just want places in the Internet where they can chill and not have to worry about that sort of stuff. I honestly think that there is a misunderstanding of what the admins meant with that, I think that they don't really intend to endanger their marginalized users (although I could just be interpreting this wrongly, you never know)... But even if they wanted to, it wouldn't really matter for us, as it would just make the job harder for the 196 mods, who, expectably, will keep on moderating as they always did, keeping TERFs, homophobes and other haters away from this lovely community (, right? riiiiiight???).

      ...and I would just say this if LW admins weren't so open to federating with Meta products. Even if we ignore how shitty Meta is as a company, federating with them would bring very little advantages to the table (like, idk, being able to follow some friends and family, and some famous people, and talking with them to some capacity without a Meta account, but still having to follow Meta's ToS obviously), but lots of disadvantages instead (not much more adhesion to the Fediverse because people will keep on using Meta's products anyways; possible "embrace, extend, extinguish" from Meta, which could really damage the Fediverse; Meta possibly involving themselves in some of the Fediverse projects, which could result in them "steering the wheel" as they see fit; and most importantly, spreading the Fediverse's moderation resources thin, due to a way larger influx of users and Meta's shitty moderation). I'm not mad by people who want to federate with Meta, as it sounds really cool to federate with a bunch more people and present to them the wonderful world of the Fediverse. I'm just a bit let down because those people won't realize that things will barely be as cool as they sound once they try federating with Meta.

  • Adding my voice to the pile. Leave it here. Unlock it and let new mods take over. You can do your thing wherever you want. But let us do our thing where we want.

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