Linux and Chill

The cool kids are forcing people to read this at gunpoint nowadays

Right? It's in the kernel and everything now. Linus likes it. Linus hates everything. HOW MUCH ARE THEY PAYING HIM?
- I'm pretty sure Linus dissed on RUST, but then again he disses on everything and everyone.
- Big Rust has gotten to Linus
- Did he actually say that he likes it? My impression was that it's not his comfort zone, but he recognizes that for the vast majority of young programmers, C is not their comfort zone. And so, if they don't hop on this Rust train, the Linux kernel is going to look like a COBOL project in a not too distant future. It does not happen very often that a programming language capable of implementing kernels gains wide-spread adoption.
- One (1) good programming language is what they paid him XD
I'll never touch Rust.

I hate the syntax and cargo too much for that. If that means that I'll never write mission critical, low level code, so be it.
- What don't you like about Cargo? Is there another package manager you like more?
Why is there Gleam and Deno on the cover?
- I know you're joking, but uh, both of those are (largely) implemented in Rust...
I like Go better

However, C is still king in a lot of ways
- C is definitely still king, but I wonder if crABI will eventually be able to dethrone it:
  
  https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/111423
  
  If they can define a useful ABI that manages to include lifetimes, that might just be enough of an improvement to get people to switch over from assuming the C ABI everywhere.

Linux is C only, ever read the rant by Linus last century about C++ ? I was there, in usenet

They're about allow bits of rust though
- Heresy!
- Have they tried applying a bit of protective oil coating?
Wait, you are telling people had discussion in Usenet? No way!
- it was mostly flame wars, alt.bin.pictures.erotica, warez, discussion about The Simpson, and of course The Oracle, and Kibo.
  
  EDIT for young people, the usenet oracle and kibology
He's having the same rant every couple of years. It's always funny.

Put the gun away and throw that cpp book in the bin, fool. I brought The Linux Kernel Programming Guide, which is in C, and my own socks, which are wool. Now let's gets crackin.

I already use linux. My feet have been getting cold lately. it never occurred to me to get wool socks. Is this how it starts? Are skirts next?
- Unless you use goat wool socks. Then you can go for a old school hippie build. Sandals, long hair, tie dye shirt and go from there.
Bonus points for some Rust device drivers.
- Never touched rust, so I don't understand the hype. I'm not arguing against it, mind you, but I'm gathering, more and more, that it's worth a look. Maybe I'll look into it after work.

C++? Shoot me

Wat? Don't you dare talk that way about my favorite multiple personality disorder clusterfuck of a language.
- C is the only language, all the rest are mental disorders (/j 😉)
  
  Edit: maybe rust, but it's on thin ice XD
the author of C++ said that C gives you many opportunities to shoot yourself in the leg. You have a much less chance for this to happen with C++, but when it does, you will blow your whole lower body off
- Yeah C++ is a bazooka, C is like the death of 1000 paper cuts.
  
  The paper cuts are all poisonous and kills you anyway.

Girl, I will wear whatever socks you want, but... pulls out my own gun. We're reading this damn book instead.

Why no K&R?

/s
- Lol. I prefer the New Testament.
Don't kink shame her
how does it compare to k&r (2nd ed.)?
- Honestly, I prefer King's book to any other for intro to C programming. K&R is a classic, and is really quite good for diving into some cool tricks (i.e. postfix operation wizardry).
  
  But as a beginner, I can just say that King's book is much more digestible. The author holds your hand a lot more and assumes you only have a basic knowledge of programming and the UNIX command line.
  
  That said, the exercises and simple projects do push you to demonstrate what you learned in each chapter as well as enforcing other Computer Science fundamentals like basic data structures (stacks, queues, linked lists) through demonstrations in the C language.
  
  My plan is to revisit K&R after a few other books in C like Advanced Programming In The Unix Environment, Unix Network Programming, and The Linux Programming Interface. All while referencing Beej's Resources.
  
  I feel like by then I'll hopefully have a more solid grasp on C and can then more aptly appreciate The K&R Book.

In C++? I'd rather be shot, thanks :P

I better be getting pegged at the end of the night if she makes me suffer by writing C++.

I appreciate the usage of the pi 1 and not one of the newer versions.

Maybe I'm just old but old pi was special
- Pi 1 was an amazing idea, I ordered one as a sonon as they were available and then never used it for anything. I've bought way to many pis since then.
- It was! I still have mine somewhere in the house. It was my kodi media player for a long time.

All Linux enthusiasts are attractive women.

Seriously though, anyone knows the source of the pic? I've been wondering for a while.

Nothing says "I love you" quite like a surprise LFS install.

When you find out your partner is into BDSM..

Bad trigger discipline

Here's what we're gonna do. We're going to do the equivalent of x11 application network transparency but with wayland.

Kind of like streaming a desktop with sunshine, but on an app by app basis.

Also we're gonna make a client that work for it on android, windows and in a browser.

Then I'm going to fuck you in the ass
its more intimidating

I'm down for Linux, but not C++ (I'm not into S&M)

My type of stay-at-home wife works on OSS projects all day

Could’ve got me there quicker by telling me the truth

w o u l d

Absolutely. Put the gun away. You got me at nerdy.
- she had me at "socks"

please don’t make me read another bjarne book. the last time i read one it made me want to stop programming

Only the internet to keep telling us these lies 😭

Stroustroup textbooks aren't for Visual Studio? At least Programming: theory and practice?

Am I going too hard by making shortcuts to start and stop SSH on my steamdeck desktop for easier file transfer? Feels like a basic security step when connecting to other networks, while not wanting to remember the commands to enable, also wanting to avoid keeping the perms permanently open for the sake of unknown backdoors. Even added windows stating if it was started or stopped in the case of extra sauce or herb.

Ayy girl, we're going over and beyond with your network security, because we all do a fucky wucky from time to time.

Linux kernel coding style

for command line apps bash, python, perl, ruby and similiar high level languages are more than enough. You can write some Kali Lincox the louder you are the less you hear network probe stuff with any of these, or even a storage optimizer (BleachBit is almost entirely written in Python, which is a very highly abstracted language implemented from C) Rust and C are only needed for performance-crtitical stuff (like rythm games) or/and directly interacting with hardware (drivers, firmware, system functions)

Don't listen to the newbie above. You can use whatever language you are comfy with that works for your situation.
- i never said you can't. But high level languages were made for high level programming, and low level for low level programming. If you only know C, sure, you can write a desktop music player, but it will be much harder than just using Java, or even Python, since both of these languages are known about their extensive prewritten libraries. And you have to write much less, which means less room for error. Using a high level language will also benefit you if you decide to port your app to a drasticly different operating system. You can use the same codebase for Python, and for Java too to seamlessly run the program on any other os supported by these languages. In C, you need to adjust a lot of things, i know from experience that Linux C source can compile and run on windows, but it is extremely rare and can introduce bugs. However, you are right that C is highly multifunctional. If you know it, you can write any low level software or desktop app. And it also runs mich faster than any high level intrepeted language. And even if i could be considered a beginner, i actually study software development and testing, so i have an idea what i'm talking about
I would not throw Rust and C together in this.
Rust is low-level in terms of being usable for kernel and embedded development (due to not needing a runtime), but it's rather high-level in terms of the syntax offering lots of abstraction from the weirdness of the hardware.

Some of that not-needing-a-runtime does bleed into the syntax, but in my opinion, it's still higher level from a syntax perspective than Bash et al, because it brings in many functional aspects.

I guess, I'm also just bothered by you saying, you don't 'need' Rust for writing CLIs, when it's my favorite language for this.
To some degree, I do just find it ridiculous to launch a whole runtime when the user just wants the --help, but the argument parsing in Rust is also just really nice: https://rust-cli.github.io/book/tutorial/cli-args.html#parsing-cli-arguments-with-clap

Jesus Christ, how old is that Pi?

12

That's not socks that's a gun