@PostmortalPop@KoboldCoterie isn't all this covered under the explicit Rule 0 discussion point? Where you say "yeah this card is in my deck but I'm not using it optimally so think the deck is a lower tier"
@salieri@MysticKetchup it's technically possible, but fairly difficult to organize millions of players across the world, especially for something so decentralized. And we just had a community controlled version that collapsed due to online hate. Who wants the job now?
@Ithorian@mike I agree that they shouldn't be standard/modern legal in the first place, but further restricting the supply would only make situations worse
@Ithorian@mike
I don't think the answer quite means what you're thinking.
If MaRo's answer had been no, that would mean the only way to access these mechanically unique (and tournament legal) cards would be in the limited print run secret lair. That SEVERELY restricts supply, which would cause any cards that are needed for tournaments to spike to hundreds or thousands of dollars, depending on the format.
@mike@blubfisch
I feel the same, though I do think it's correct for them to step in to create a shield if the community is going to be garbage like this. sigh This is why we can't have nice things
@luxyr42@mike Obviously we haven't seen this enacted yet, but I wonder if it'll end up being similar to the Arena Historic Brawl ranking system.
I know Amazonian has run into issues where including a high-power card in a low-power deck bumps her up to a high-power tier despite playing a pile of durdle cards.
I guess that's what the conversation is for.
But also, there's never been a good way to rank commander deck power so shrug can't be worse than what we already have
@mike I think with the "shouldn't have been printed vs should be printed into the ground" thing, the idea is it shouldn't have been printed in the first place because it's bad for the format, which is also why it should be banned. But given the reality that it was printed, it should at least not be strongly gate-kept due to price, creating a high amount of inequality. Especially because that high price limits options later.
@andrew@MysticKetchup I'm also surprised they didn't ban around it. I guess it's because they originally intended it to just be a commander card, so they're okay with it not being in Modern?
@meant2live218@mike maybe 3 standard sets plus the permanent standard set that they announced would work. If that's just 200 or so evergreen standard cards it would provide that extra bump
@Semjaza@mike take my cousin. He got a perfect score in the ACT and got full ride scholarships to basically anywhere in the country. To him, magic is the same as any other board game on the shelf. He pulls out some decks when he has friends over, and then puts them away, and maybe gets out Catan next time. Most of his cards are from Legions block, and he's never played in a store in his life.
It's not brains, it's priorities.
@Semjaza@mike no, what they mean is 75% of magic players have never played with a planeswalker card. Most magic players don't buy boxes or singles, they just pick up a pack at Target sometimes. They've probably got enough cards to build a couple decks if they use all their commons. Many use old cards, from before Planeswalkers were invented. Many are kids. Planeswalkers don't come with all their rules text written on the card, so many set them aside because they don't know what to do.
@Evu@silverchase I haven't read them yet, but they did announce that Jace wasn't actually going to Bloomburrow, and that art was from a special "imagine if Planeswalker 'x' went to Bloomburrow"series.
Besides, tomorrow is the big announcement stream. I'm sure they'll have more stories and a ton more cards spoiled in the next few weeks
@TheMagicer@Basilisk
😂 I personally see a T1 Sol Ring as a challenge from the universe to try and go 1v3 and take them all out by myself. It usually ends with me dying spectacularly.
@TheMagicer of course I have other decks that are better at drawing cards so it's fine if they overextend because I can probably draw out of it. Definitely deck-dependent
@PostmortalPop @KoboldCoterie isn't all this covered under the explicit Rule 0 discussion point? Where you say "yeah this card is in my deck but I'm not using it optimally so think the deck is a lower tier"