Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml

Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.

Good riddance

Thank fucking god. It's exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.

Nothing of value has been lost

I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.

Thank goodness.

I'm reminded of a story I read a while back - not sure where - about how if you let a Nazi into your bar, you eventually end up running a Nazi bar. I think the same applies to online forums. You let Nazis overrun a forum, everyone else leaves, and eventually you might as well just be running Stormfront.

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I think this is for the best, there are some seriously disturbed people posting on Lemmygrad. I saw comments cheering on and celebrating the Hamas attack and talking about how they hoped the people who were kidnapped get tortured. Whatever your politics, that is super fucked up and not "legitimate discourse".

Tankies mad

Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.

Good Job! You make my experience of Lemmy continuously better! You cleaned that CSAM up with the speed of light (I've never even noticed it), you managed the Piracy Community Troubles very well and now you made an well thought through decision about Lemmygrad. Well done Mods! And thank you all very much!

I understand that they are staunchly pro-communist and also take a pro-Palestine, including some of them (many of them?) a more clearly pro-Hamas stance. And that all of this could annoy many of the centrist liberals that seem to dominate here. But from perusing the lemmygrad link I do not see clear signs of hate speech, certainly not a clear hate speech agenda as you would see with some hate groups. And judging by the comments on here many seem to be happy to be “rid of them” because they are “annoying”, or “immature”, or “tankies”, or whatever. It really reads largely like “their opinions annoy me” so I’m glad they’re gone.

There may be more to it, I don’t know, but personally I wouldn’t like lemmy.world, an otherwise fine instance by all means, to become a centrist liberal silo where no other opinion outside (mostly US-centric) liberal orthodoxy is heard. So yeah, not convinced that this was the right decision, basically because of a lack of evidence.

You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?

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This will be a much better experience for new Lemmy users browsing /All.

Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered. However, your freedom ends when it crosses over someone else’s. Good riddance, i had blocked most of lemmygrad’s communities anyways, since all they did was spread propaganda and hate.

Love the mod team (being ex-reddit, never thought I’d say that), the transparency and clarity of their communication with the community is great!

Before I saw lemmygrad: wtf are we doing?

After I saw lemmygrad: glad we defederate..

About time.

Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.

FINALLY, thanks a lot! 👏

Pretty new to the lemmy thing. Learning the do not and safe zones of the federation.

Lemmygrad is a bit of a rabbit hole from the outside view. Like, holy shit. That place got wicked dark super fast.

There was a lot of it.

Like a lot.

Good, are you defederated from hexbear as well? If not, please do.

Thank fuck. I hate those jerks. Good riddance.

Oh, c'mon...

People have been celebrating when governments open their own Lemmy instance to put state services and support there and now we're defederating the very first of such Lemmy instances, that of the People's Republic Of China???!

/s

TANK U!

Sorry imma head out

Based admin team and moderation team. You guys rock

I'd never heard of this instance, but the name kind of gives away that it's no big loss.

Good, they fake socialists anyway

It's kinda fun watching liberals realize that Bolsheviks aren't leftists

Well, I already blocked any community and user I came across since the exodus in June.

Better late than never.

Keep up the good work.

PS: Free Tibet

I fully support this. I don't think instances that breed hate and radicalization should be allowed an audience.

I have seen so much propoganda, hate, and lunacy from that instance since I joined Lemmy.

Hexbear next.

Thank you so much, excellent news.

I can't even think of ONE good community on that instance

Excellent. Those people must be either deplatformed or confined. Thank you .world admins for being reasonable and based.

Man this lemmy thing is cooler everyday

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Thank you, some of the most toxic content in the fediverse comes from there and am happy that this server’s experience will be better now.

I do wonder why we didn't defederate from them long ago, it's not like they recently started showing signs of who and what they really are, they've been very transparent about their motives since day 1. Still though good it was done now before they started spamming things here (not sure if they do that or if it's just hexbear that spams).

Free Palestine

i don't interact with lemmygrad much, and i don't really want to. so please could somebody tell me what sort of hate speech was happening there?

Not a fan of defederations in general, but I can totally see why. Lemmygrad will not be missed.

What, you don't want to be accused of being unreasonable by people that cavalierly discuss the need to murder people to bring about the revolution?

Good to see that instance go as it didn't contribute to public discourse. Thanks for the practice work!

I've read a few posts from that instance and just no. I myself are on the left but both lemmygrad and lemmy.ml is just not places I go to.

Thank god

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Well this is a shock, anyone know what kind of stuff they've said exactly?

THANK YOU!!!!!

finally, ty

Thank you good riddence

Good call honestly

Finally.

Strong move.

Can we get the links/receipts/examples?

I'm onboard with the post, and glad to see Lemmy working as intended. Making a post (instead of silently defederating) is wonderful. That said, I think its very important to say "because of comments like X[link] and Y[link]" instead of "due to severity".

Imagine if the roles were reversed and the CCP was saying they're "defederating from lemmy.world due to severity". Members should be given the 1st hand evidence, rather than 2nd hand opinions/summaries.

Bye-bye tankies!

Thanks. This is the way

Thank you so much, it’s like the Winter Solstice came early! They’re literally a bunch of sweaty, genocide-loving neckbeards who never outgrew the college commie phase crying about how hard and unfair their upper-class suburban lives are under (their idea of) capitalism and how North Korea is secretly a paradise because “something something healthcare that probably exists there”- all from the $3000 computer whose SSD made by abused children in Taiwan has 694.20 gigabytes of porn (shot by and starring filthy-rich adult content creators), in the comfort of their septuagenarian mothers’ basements on her personal, private property in Washington State- all made possible by capitalism. And they think they’d be better off under a system that would actually ship them off to die in Alaska on day one, instead of giving them a high rank and a state-issued bride. (But we Washingtonians don’t claim them)

I’m honestly surprised they had to cheer on the murder of innocent children in Israel for you guys to do this for us, when they’d spent months being all “ackchyually the Holodomor didn’t happen but I hope it happens again because daddy putin says all Ukrainians are nazis, therefore it must be true and they’d deserve it!!1”

Great call, kudos. Absolute trash.

Thank Fn god! Good decision mateys.

I reported a comment stating that the US genocide of indigenous was "rightful conquest" and it's still up. I totally get defederating.

This is why I have logins on several instances.

sheesh. good riddance

Alas, thank you!

Glad to hear this! I had them blocked already

Great news! Thanks

Hells. Yes.

Thank you! There was a lot of vitriol coming from that instance.

Weekly polite request: can we please get a setting to "hide downvoted posts"? :-)

Halle-fucking-lujah

Id rather not interact with or even see a community that refers to the "working class" as subhuman trash. The mods and devs of lemmy.world are probably seeing even worse posts than what we have seen. Good riddence

• edit* removed post # 2338719 on the lemmygrad server for those who think im lying

Bye Felicia!

Kudos. Excellent choice 👍

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Thank you

Holy shit, good for you, lemmy.world. Was wondering if it would ever happen.

I blocked their instance a few days ago when I noticed the described behavior. Good, now I won't see all the 'empty' comments

Finally

Finally.

Finally, thank you.

Thank you.

I hold out hope that they will reform their values and can be refederated in the future, but I doubt that will happen.

Thank you

Good. Now do Hexbear.

Good riddance

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THANK YOU!

Good

I honestly thought this had already happened months ago.

That’s too bad that people behave like that. Thanks for taking action.

LETS FUCKING GO

I am always interested to read about different viewpoints but I don’t think I will miss Lemmygrad much.

BASED

Thank you!

Based.

Sweet!

Tankies spreading calls to violence? I cannot believe this /s

Outstanding news

thank you

Take lemmy.ml too, since that's their sock puppet instance.

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This actual, not-red-brown-alliance-asshole socialist is overjoyed to hear that!

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Good! Thank you.

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based

Will it make a return once we gain the ability to block individual instances? I'm not fan of communism and I'm personally stoked to not have lemmygrad in my feed. And I think you made the right choice given the current state of Lemmy but I do think that a "free speech" forum requires that we don't silence hate speech en masse. I'm sure can agree to at least part of that statement. I just like to make the decision of what I wanted filtered out.

I should probably add that I'm not advocating for any illegal content. That has no place here.

Watching an overtly leftist site get it's own panties in a bunch when a different form of extremism takes root lol.

Don't get me wrong the leftism and communism that is allowed to just run rampant is sickening.

Still funny though watching you guys eat your own.

So this post can't be seen by Lemmy.world accounts? I don't understand federation lol 🤔

This has made me to seriously consider leaving lemmy.world

Capitalism is a serious existantial threat to our ecosystem, rendering all our lives more meaningless with each passing day - all its enemies are my friends

But, however, just looking at the name... Lemmygrad, this rhetoric is just designed to hush everyone into the old trenches and that way keeping the capitalist death machine chugging along. To be the most effective, the truth of socialism has to rebranded and craftfully injected into new ideas. This is the only way forward.

So, good riddance I say!

Great, now defederate lemmy.ml, they have been getting increasing beligerent towards .world users.

Ok so now do lemmy.ml

I've said in the past and will say it again. Despite someone talking nonsense, being rude, having wrong opinions, silencing them is not ideal. If nothing else it's exactly the behaviour of Totalitarian regime that this action is aimed at.

So again de federation is IMHO not best aproach.

While I welcome the return to sensibility, I'm going to miss the free entertainment.

Seems pretty messed up to me that disagreeing equals hate speech.

If I wanted heavy handed and one-sided moderation I would have stayed on Reddit.

Time for a new account it seems.

typical fediverse, lol

Amazing, Lemmy.world admins are giant cucks who try to censor other people based on their beliefs.

You can ban me all you want but I'll keep coming back.

Is it still fine to call for the eating of the rich and burning of their capital, or did dotWorld decide to be a rightwing pandering platform for "enlightened" fence-sitters?

Finally. So sick of seeing their communist bullshit. No matter what I do.

I love how these posts always end up descending into a tankie bad circle jerk instead of asking for examples of hate speech.

BTW op, any examples of hate speech?

lol

I was banned from Lemmy.world for a week after criticizing Israel. The pinned post accuses this server of supporting the Zionist genocide of Palestinians. Should I go ahead and close my account now? Is this a Zionst platform?

Edit: I know that this server loves to mass downvote any post that questions authority, but it would be much more helpful if you would verbally confirm that you support genocide, or at least start abusing me personally to let me know you think I don't belong.

Edit2: @MichelleG@lemmy.world @antik@lemmy.world @jelloeater85@lemmy.world @Xylinna@lemmy.world @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world @lwadmin@lemmy.world @MrCenny@lemmy.world @quinten@lemmy.world

It's for being pro palestine isn't it. You mods are absolutely shameless.

May I see the hate speech?

Lemmygrad literally has a community to hate on NATO. That makes them the bad guys

This type of censorship never stops. There's no doubt in my mind as this trend continues we're going to see other taboo communities like piracy, not mainstream accepted politics, etc. ones being banned and their servers defederated.

We've already seen admins of this server removing comments and banning people for posting stuff they don't agree with. I don't see how Lemmy can succeed when we're not even at like 2.5k users per day on the biggest server and the admins here are already going extreme on the censorship.

Why not defederate them before things got outta hand?

For anyone who prefers to filter their own feed, instead of having it decided for them Lemm.ee is a good option.

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It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material. That would allow both sides to debate how they judge such behavior.

Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven't seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates. That let's me assume that many are thin skinned or unable to refute lemmygrad's political opinion.

If I understand lemmy correctly then banning lemmygrad will prevent its users from participating in any debate on a lemmy. world community. Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?

What hate speech?
Show us.
You probably just banning the disagreeing people.

So which instance is going to be the next one to be designated the tankie instance?

That's a bummer. I'm a serious Capitalist but I kinda liked the Tankies and Pinks, they brought a fresh perspective and occasionally produced damn good memes.

The good news is that since I moved to another instance I'll still get their stuff, kinda stinks for those of you homed on lemmy.world though.

Pretty soon there will be no fediverse. And Lemmy will be nothing more than a CMS

I do not approve of this kind of itchy trigger finger to defederate. Hopefully this decision is reversed in time like the piracy one was.

Lemmy.world is run by the feds