Attorney General Pam Bondi directs prosecutors to seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione
Attorney General Pam Bondi directs prosecutors to seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione
For a second I was going to say it's like they're trying to make us hate them more somehow. Then I realized, yeah, that's probably exactly what they're trying to do. Antagonizing people into violence is the goal.
I'm not sure if it's to use it as an excuse to declare martial law, or kick off a civil war, or both? Idk I guess I've just been around enough passive aggressive pieces of shit in the past to recognize it when I see it.
Pam bondi can suck an egg
Why arent they seeking it for the dude who stabbed the Cashapp CEO numerous times
UHG was one of trumps donors, cashapp, maybe?
Pam Bondi should get the same sentence for Treason to America
i like how in a yotube video her pretending to be a christian, by wearing a cross makes her absolve from all the court rules for some reason, as a gotcha moment for right wingers. something along the judge wants her to take it off, because it gives the wrong message.(i dint click on the video)
They are so fucking scarred, they want to give a message.
100% this. We have actual murderers in prison for life who have killed several people. They’re still here and will be until they die.
This is 100% a message that rich people’s lives are more important than any of our lives. And they’re willing to kill to prove it.
It's not sending the message they hope it is.
Not sure martydom has been historically successful from the point of view of the oppressor
people largely forgot about navalny, he fear if he stayed out of russia too long, his martydom would not be useful, and largely been ignored since his death. MSM is in cahoots with putin indirectly, so they wouldnt report him anyways.
He’s never getting out, and I’m sure he knows it. He carried his manifesto for days. He wants to make a statement.
Kill him and see what that gets the government. Middle aged white women are paying attention.
Can't say it on Reddit, but I hope that they can't find a jury who would convict him.
By requesting the DP they are essentially going to try to find a jury that is as pro DP as possible.
Yeah, probably. Still, let me dream of them failing, won't you?
Fuck you, Pam Bondi.
Kill 24 normal citizens in a mass shooting in a Walmart, plea deal. Allegedly Kill 1 billionaire, death penalty
NYC doesnt have death penalty, so its unlikely he will get one. they want at least life or manslaughter charges on him.
He's been indicted on state charges in NY, and also Federal charges, so he will be tried twice for the same crime, no matter what the NY trial decides. He can't be executed for the NY state charges, but he can be executed by the Feds.
So conceivably he could be found not guilty in NY, and still get executed by a Federal court.
I don't think he was a billionaire. But his job was a nasty one that did please billionaires.
thompson was a low level ceo, but still he implements the denial policies. the head ceo is ANDREW WITTY, and the bod is hemsely, both british. WITTY made those asinine comments about the healthcare after his death
Indications seem to be high 8 to low 9 figs. There is a fucking ocean between "not billionaire" and "average guy". Also, obligatory fuck Brian Thompson.
He was nasty. No one who isn't could have done that job.
He rejected the plea deal. Taking a plea deal means you forgo trial. Granted actual mass murderers received lesser sentences like LWOP.
What’s blondie talking about? Luigi didn’t kill the pos billionaire. The gun did.
We all now know for sure what scares them.
the jury's sleepless we found your weakness
The death of one, a tragedy. The death of millions, statistics.
death of millions for profit - solid business practice, congratulations and see you again at next shareholder meeting
I remember this quote from Blade 3!
I'm sure this kind of thing is what occupies the broligarchs' brains at least 90% of the time...
hmm so death is an appropriate consequence for killing people, huh. so she's admitting that Luigi allegedly delivered justice, actually.
I think it's inappropriate for a lawyer to use stage names though. I mean, Pam Bondi? come on.
pam, bondi who recieve releection bribe from trump to drop her case against him about trump university.
He delivered the people's justice and they hate that. It took awhile but they are finally getting some of their base to agree that Luigi was wrong. Their messaging has been consistent. Murder is wrong. Funny because I know some of the Podcaster I listen to hint at killing p3dos and rapists. So clearly there are exceptions to every rule.
A man killed a man that was killing thousands of men.
So, we should kill him!
Are they not vindicating Luigi by wanting this?
Class War and its consequences
If we live in a country where a child can get ran over or shot every day and nobody gets prison time for it, we can set a man free who kills a serial killer that preys on the poor and injured for profit.
This has a potentially significant chance of backfiring, as it is more difficult to get a jury to convict when the death penalty is at stake.
sound bites for the scared fox boomers. nyc doesnt have death penalty, but the arrest has been botched from the start.
He should have used a car to run him down.
If he had run him over with a 12 ton Chrysler F750 or whatever he'd be walking the streets today
exactly. If you want to kill someone, just use a car. Obligatory fuck cars!
So they basically admit it is about revenge, not justice? How dare someone of the working class attack someone clearly superior! We must punish this worthless creature to put them into their rightful place at the bottom of the taxpaying pyramid!
…scheme.
They’re sitting in a working class revolt powder keg and they just lit the match ….lol
People aren't starving yet, but recent changes may change that soon.
Without social security, food stamps, labor protections of any kind, functioning schools, healthcare standards, housing security, environmental protections, veterans benefits, unions and with mass unemployment and a whole lot of guns…….things will deteriorate quickly
if the people (THAT'S YOU AND ME BTW) don't make them regret this, then the bullies won and this shit is all over but the generations of endless suffering under their eternal dystopia.
Being rich does not require you to be smart. That's part of the problem.
The working class in America are so docile and subdued at this point that they won't notice when all this happens.
Death penalty would take several years to happen and by then people will have forgotten. Only a couple of remaining groupies will make a fuss.
While I hope you're wrong in general and fear you're right about this specific outcome, I'm confident you're at least partly wrong about the bigger picture.
Lessons not learned will be re-taught.
Nah man we still remember harambe. Never forget real hero’s. Dicks out for Luigi bois
i'm afraid this is true. i really am.
The wealthy class in the US are heavily invested in military stocks. War benefits them, even if it's civil war. This is probably intentional.
Maybe I'm too cynical or giving them too much credit. Hope we find out
You guys gotta realize that the military industrial complex and big Pharma and big oil are not big anymore. They’re not even as big as Facebook and Microsoft combined.
Big tech is who you need to be afraid of at this point
I expect more assassins targeting people who are not so high up on the facist totem pole. There was nothing special about Bryan Thompson, there are hundreds like him out in there. But he was high up enough for his death to matter. Honestly, he was like some dumb animal that got zapped climbing into a transformer.
The only way the current president can hang on for more than four years is to incite insurrection and then activate the insurrection act. All these 'take it to the streets' people might as well be shouting jump at a guy being pushed off a building.
Protect him at all costs!
Don't worry, he is innocent.
So they want to make a martyr of him.
No. They want to take away a martyr.
How long is the average stay on death row?
And how long is the memory of the average american voter?
You and me will have moved on to the next battle and ten other battles by the time they shoot him. Collective memory will have other priorities and we will forget.
Thats the trick. The appeals process alone takes so long that you will either be completely lost by that point, or your disinterest shouting support for fifteen other vigilantes, that it wont matter.
If they convict, hes fucked. Hes not a martyr. Hes a statistic. And thats how they convince the next one not to do it. You are not joan of ark. History will treat you not as a savior, but as a wildcard random.. So why bother? A healthcare ceo is not franz ferdinand.
We arent there yet...
The modern but lone version of Saccho and Vancetti.
History something something repeats..
Mangione’s murder of Brian Thompson -- an innocent man and father of two young children
Innocent man my ass
Alleged murder of Thompson.
19 and 16 are "young" children? Not to mention the fact that he was separated from his wife and his contact with them was limited. Unlike with hundreds, if not thousands, of parents he killed with his policy of denying coverage.
The obvious fellating of the ruling class by the mainstream media is annoying as fuck.
How about a new rule... You don't get to call them young children if you think that they are old enough to work long hours at a hazardous job without breaks, or that they are old enough (by 2 or more years!) to be married to a 60+ year old pervert. You lose all moral standing to call them "young children" if you do.
Nearly 26.6 million people in the U.S. rely on UnitedHealthcare Employer & Individual through insured and self-funded plans. In addition, we serve more than 7.5 million people with care and benefits services outside of the United States.
Rather than hundreds to thousands, I'm going to go with thousands to tens of thousands.
Same aged kids are 'practically an adult' when congressmen traffic then.
Who go you think owns the mainstream media?
Brian Thompson - unconvicted mass murderer and father of two grown children.
For which he thankfully received the death penalty.
When it's in pursuit of shareholder value, it's not murder. /s
That's crazy they can actually say that he was an innocent man and actually believe it. The level of mindfuckery required for that is absolutely unfathomable.
They're corporate shills.
I guarantee as that piece of shit bled out on the sidewalk, the words "why me?" didn't cross his minds. He knew what he did to deserve it. He did deserve it, as do countless other greedy mother fuckers who are ruining the world for personal gain.
If anything went through his head other than possibly a bullet, it would not shock me at all if "why me" or "what did I do to deserve this" was there. No one with intact empathy or a conscience could do what he did. If he was capable of recognizing his failings he wouldn't have been willing to earn his wealth by stepping on the necks of the sick.
How to make a martyr in 180 days?
It's really crazy we are literally living in a new type of world.
The wealthy ARE the powerful, but the rest of us out number them to such grand extent that the only way they can remain wealthy is through fear and murder.
There is no war but class war.
They did this to the anarchist assassins (And accused assassins) in the 1930s, too. Started summarily deporting people en masse for their beliefs or presumed beliefs, and executing people after brief appearances in kangaroo courts. Honestly if Germany hadn't gone Nazi and basically dragged the us into a war with them, we would have done it instead.
Well bullets don't discriminate, so there's that.
Say that last bit louder for those in the back.
No they can remain wealthy by being wealthy and enjoying their wealth and not obsessively doing everything possible to ratfuck everyone else with their wealth.
If everything is the death penalty we might as well do everything.
The punishment for stealing from the king's garden is death.
The punishment for killing the king so everyone may eat from it is death.
Might as well go for the most effective use of your life.
This is straight up Diogenes. As in, same problem for the last 2300 years.
Wouldn’t be anything left to lose
The “pro-life” party really loves the death penalty…
they need live babies to they can become dead soldiers
— George Carlin
More workers than soldiers at this point
I have a friend who studies behavior but applied to employment systems. Tons of research there on getting the most out of your employees. This sounds terrible when you first hear it right? But when you read it it’s about not burning out staff with reasonable quotas and demands, using positive reinforcement, building morale, etc. basically that you might decrease output slightly now but you’ll increase retention of the staff and the staff will overall be much more satisfied
They reject this in basically every industry even though it’s evidence based. It’s easier to burn people out and churn through workers. Meanwhile humanity stays poor and miserable for the most part (aside from a small percentage that makes out like bandits)
no, no. you've got it wrong. they're pro-birth. They don't give a fuck about people when they're born.
In this case it’s just the rich punishing a plebeian for daring to challenge them, in the hopes of they make his punishment terrible enough everyone else will be too scared to rise up.
But in answer to you astute observation that the ‘pro-life’ people love the death penalty, the reason is simple: to these people, being ‘bad’ isn’t something you do, it’s something you are.
So to them it’s not a break in internal logic at all. They gave the pure, innocent baby a chance, but they turned out to be a Bad Person, so they must be punished, because that’s what you deserve for being a Bad Person.
This is why they favor punitive jailing and killing criminals instead of trying to reform criminals; criminals are Bad, and so they will always do Bad Things.
It’s also why they do stuff like try to get rid of abortion. If a woman got pregnant from ‘sleeping around’ then she’s a Bad Person and deserves to be punished by carrying the child to term.
To further your point, this is how shit like Al Franken happens.
In general conservatives see themselves as generally good people who occasionally do bad things but it’s okay because that’s still a good person who has good intentions. Whereas in their eyes people who are in out groups are bad people who are always going to do bad things no matter what because they have bad intentions.
It’s a perversion of Christianity.
God can commit genocide and torture because His actions are beyond human understanding. God is the creator of Goodness, so every action he does is Good by design. I personally view God only as Good because he is powerful, but I view Jesus as Good in a more genuine and human way.
The powerful like to take the parts of religion that allow them to live in a simplified world. A world in which they are Good, like God, not by action but by power and nature.
They forget that sinning applies to the powerful, just like it applies to the weak. Everyone deserves to be forgiven in Christianity, but only after you’ve paid for your sins. People like the “being forgiven” part, but not begging for forgiveness in a brown sack covered in ashes part.
Don’t forget that prison labor is constitutionally protected slave labor!
Stop talking the "pro-life" they are only pro-birth.... and then fuck 'em.
They need an excuse to cover up their real reason: that they think peasants have a duty to breed for the state.
He should run for congress because there are no consequences for crime if you get elected before the justice system has time to convict
And he could delay the trial since it impacts his campaign.
The New Left has found it's figurehead
Whenever I think of the Dylan Roof incident.
The death penalty isn't a punishment, who really learns from it, the criminal? It's a tool for society to remove what amounts to a defective person (not human, person). People are supposed to value the lives of other people by default. Any sustained deviation from this norm is a symptom of a person who cannot value life.
Dylan Roof was given 1000s of opportunities to demonstrate that he did actually value life but because of his defective nature there was no choose but to remove him.
"Life in prison" can be canceled/pardoned/changed, death cannot. That is why it's near impossible to make it happen and even if it does,, people spend the rest of their lives waiting for their "execution" (ftr Dylan is still alive at this time source).
Now in what possible world would you be able to convince a jury of random peers, or judges with their heads actually screwed on tight, that a sample size of one murder proves that a person is defective.
Genuine responses only:
It's because the wealthy run things, and the victim was wealthy.
Game, set and match.
"There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
And if the out-group touches the in-group, the consequences shall be severe.
The prosecutor claims that he endangered others around the victim. But if you watch the video you can tell he clearly was careful to not cause harm to anyone else. He could have bombed him, done a drive-by or any other method but he shot him with single shots at a close range. If they go for the death penalty he'll walk.
Unlike the serial killer Bryan Thompson who used indiscriminate means of murder which not only brutally killed his victims but destroyed their loved ones lives too with all of the collateral damage.
Bryan Thompson is the mass murderer here, Luigi allegedly stopped the murderer in a way that put no one else at unnecessary risk.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was documented somewhere that the Shinzo Abe assassin made a similar choice so as not to harm innocent bystanders.
Higher burden of proof on a case that already has improperly collected evidence? Sure thing, go ahead and virtue signal to the right that you're still the party of law and order. The billionaires should still be scared after reading this.
Reminder: New York doesn't have a Death Penalty on the books
That's why they added the terrorism charges to his murder charges. That makes it federal, which means they can seek the death penalty.
One of the federal [emphasis mine] charges against Mangione, murder through use of a firearm, makes him eligible for the death penalty if convicted.
Mangione has pleaded not guilty to state charges.
Americans don't have the balls, I'll believe it when I see it. Unfortunately Americans are more likely to use their 2nd ammendment on themselves.
What I was thinking too.
That corrupt piece of shit that dropped the trump University case for fifty bucks and a case of Boone's Farm wants the DoJ to pursue the death penalty for a homicide. Sure. Best timeline ever.
how to make a martyr
Unfortunately it feels like most IRL people I know have moved on from him 😔
This is the top post on my feed from 'all'.
Nah he's still loved, I've seen Luigi prayer candles and grafitti plenty, he still receives massive amounts of fanmail. When the actual trial starts the fans will come out more.
Getting Luigied is now part of my vocabulary
Every social media are blocking and censoring Luigi content. It's by design.
This would be how you bring more attention to him than ever before. Also people are already really angry and prepared for violence if you look at the tesla fires. This would most certainly lead to a massive increase in militant action against companies, CEOs and politicians.
Oh that piece of shit, does she not understand this will make matters worse?
She will turn him into a martyr, this administration is the dumbest I have seen in my whole fucking life.
Probably because social media keeps making things public.
funny thing luigi was originally a right winger before he shot the guy, guess the msm arnt going to reveal that fact that he was originally one of thier own.
I mean, to be fair, when I was younger my viewpoints changed as often as I changed my underwear
Nasty
Every month?
Yeah well I think I don’t have any real viewpoints which is also a viewpoint I guess. I just adopt things based on a whim or need. One day a commie, another ancap. Do these words mean anything anymore
I guess all that counts at the end of the day is how well off you are and clear conscience and the paths to achieve that are myriad
There is nothing honest I can say about Luigi because fundamentally I don’t care. Some American drama, another one in the long streak of news. There is no hate, there is no love. The only constant is indifference
Let’s talk about something interesting for once like color theory or classical paintings.
if ideologies feel like temporary costumes, maybe the real focus is the pragmatic pursuit of well-being and a clear conscience. The modern news cycle thrives on manufactured stakes, and indifference might just be the sanest response.
Don’t you all not feel burnt out from the constant outrage?
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat noooooooooooo, that can't be right. Who other than every single person alive saw that coming?
Hopefully, they will televise it and trump will say "You're fired" right before they pull the switch. That would be on par with the shitshow circus we live in these days.
Edit: added to the bit
It's my understanding that this will make it far more difficult for them to get a conviction/verdict. Going for the death penalty has certain bars to hit during a trial by jury. It's often why prosecutors go after lesser sentences on things people absolutely did the worse versions of. This gives them a much more likely guilty verdict from a jury.
By doing this, they're basically torpedoing the case, as I understand it.
Purely to try and scare people/send a message.
When he's rendered a verdict of not-guilty for the crimes that would lead to the death penalty, but is guilty of something relatively trivial, like "owning an unregistered firearm", this could come back to bite them in the ass.
But who knows. I've been hoping for the judicial system to bite the ass of fascists for almost a decade now, without much luck.
Remember nothing about this will be a fair trial. This is going to be the most cooked trial you've ever seen in your life. Jurors will be downright threatened if not bribed.
Trial starts and it's just trump in the jury box. Because executive powers are made up and laws don't matter.
I hope not, but yeah, I suspect this will be the case.
The world is fucked, and this is a perfect microcosm of why.
Idk man, while I agree, I think the trump trials before the elections was the lowest point.
Homer voice: lowest point so far
That's true in state crimes, but federal prosecutions are actually very different.
Federal prosecutors have a lot more room to argue and in general the court tends to favor the prosecution much more.
The judge is responsible for sentencing (and Trump appointed a lot, guarantee he gets a Trump judge), while discovery is much more restrictive against the defendant.
Yep, I came to comment this. Honestly this could be pretty good news for player 2 - getting a jury to convict when the punishment is death will be much, much harder.
The guy who deserved the DP got it.
So riddle me this.
Inner City, poor area, 2:00 a.m.
One gang member approaches another rival gang member, pulls out an illegally modified full auto pistol, dumps an entire 30 round magazine into him.
Does he get the death penalty?
Nobody should ever get the death penalty. Capital murder is a symptom of a fucked up society.
Oh for sure I agree.
I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy of jailing the gangbanger or letting him go versus throwing the book at Luigi and trying to execute him.
Riddle me this.
A cop shoots a black guy, because he's black, what does he get?
JUST because he's black?
He would be harshly investigated by internal affairs and severely punished with a 30-day paid suspension.
Not saying it's like that everywhere, but it seems to happen like that an awful lot :-(
Haha no. See they are both poor and we would rather have prison cattle than true justice.
Exactly! So we throw him in a for-profit prison, where he is essentially a caged animal made to fight with the other caged animals. After a decade or two we put him out on parole with no marketable skills and a felony conviction to ensure nobody will hire him.
Then we act confused about why recidivism rates are high.
Finally. Justice will be served for the good of all.
When the jury acquits him? I agree.
The only justice would be to fire and jail all healthcare CEOs and, reform the industry. Luigi has killed far less people than the average CEO.
Just block this dude. He's not worth listening to on anything, and he's not worth arguing with.
Let's try and keep old.lemmy.world a clean, hygienic place by blocking the garbage.
There is no getting out of this fascist hellhole without mass protest, but if the ruling class wants to turn that into riots against the rich, ok then.
I wonder if these maga fuckheads have mirrors at home.
Oh just like how the American private health insurer confidence scheme seeks the death penalty when their customers marks actually need life saving healthcare and become a threat to the capitalist's quarterly metastasis expectations.
Neat.
Called it weeks ago. He'll be long dead before then though. Almost certainly due to a prison shank. Mmw.
I think it's more likely that he'll hang himself, but I guess there's a chance that he'll stab himself dozens of times in the neck and chest.
I think everyone in prison likes him actually 😂
The cameras will call in sick to work that day.
This you shall offer in the morning and this you shall offer in the evening, one lamb without blemish.
I personally find the Leviticus 16:10 scapegoat quote to be more appropriate:
Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord and offer it as a purification offering, but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel.
Oh hell no
