A Black woman has never lost the general election for POTUS in US history but 45 white men have lost
A Black woman has never lost the general election for POTUS in US history but 45 white men have lost
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I like Kamala. You have a real shot at taking Trump out with her. The stakes could not be higher. Maybe for the world. He is a truly dangerous person.
I wonder if I can get the next statement out without venom coming back at me, but I'll say it anyway:
I think you guys should try hard to steer the rhetoric away from anything polarizing (race or gender), and do everything you can to create inclusion (from anyone). I'm seeing a lot of things like that, and I don't think it plays out into more support. And there's nothing more important now than maximizing support.
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I feel similarly, but my whole life Democrats keep thinking "maybe if I compromise with the right wing and move right, I'll get more votes" and saying aw dang better luck next time when the right wing's dwindling base votes red down the whole ticket, while party insiders actively sideline Democrats who win big on left wing messaging. So when I hear Harris striking a tone of inclusion and unity, I'm glad because I feel it's laudable, but I'm also not thrilled because I've heard this song before.
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She's the first candidate in a while where I feel she might genuinely be good as a president, not just "not bad".
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Only if you only count two parties.
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Dude....I'm 40. I probably don't have the energy for ONE party tonight. Let alone TWO!!!
UGGGGHHHHHH........
slaps own face really hard, chugs 750ml of whiskey, and splashes some water on my face
OK.....LETS DOOOO THISSSSSS!!!!! RAAAAWWWWRRRRRRR!!!!!
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Someone said to me that even if the majority would now vote for a third party, they wouldn't get anything done because the Senate Ave Congress are still all dems and reps.
I don't know enough about how US elections work though
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It's just an excuse.
They will be hard to deal with, but for the first time ever, they need to learn compromise.
It also opens up for legitimate third part candidates in next Senate election.
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Trump has also never won the general election for POTUS against a man but is undefeated against women so far, so let's hope that changes. For America, and the rest of the world, he better not win.
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Beating women does seem to be on-Brand for him...
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he'd* better not win
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trump didn't beat hillary clinton; james comey did.
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Trump has also never won the general election for POTUS
Sooo we can expect the system of white landowning men to win again this time, much as it pains me to say
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I don't think that's fair to say, I'm white and a landowner and I can't stand the guy.
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I have also never lost an Olympics, or lost a Formula 1 race, or lost a fight against Mike Tyson, or lost the Super Bowl.
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This is your year dude, good luck in Paris!
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Ignoring how meaningless the statement is in the first place, obligatory XKCD.
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Interestingly, if Kamala wins, that last streak will still hold true.
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I know she didn’t make it all the way to the general election, but I’d like to take a moment to remind everyone about Shirley Chisholm.
https://www.history.com/news/shirley-chisholm-career-milestones
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45 and 1 white woman
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facepalm thanks, fixed the titled
Edit: I’m still wrong. But this was a shower thought. There’s a reason this community isn’t called “well thought out comments”
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Don't correct that. He's wrong. It's way more than 46, most multi-term presidents defeated several different contenders.
Edit: I got 63 white men and 1 white woman, not counting pre 12th amendment elections, not counting minor candidates who didn't win any states electors. There's a lot more if you include minor candidates, but then one of them would be Cynthia McKinney who is a black woman.
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That's right.
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I get the feeling in OPs post, but for those unfamiliar, there are more people on the ballot other than the 2 main picks. This even varies by state, as they can have different criteria for defining who makes it to the ballot.
So perhaps a black woman has at some point ran for president (as in, made it to the ballot at least)?
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Hell, at least one, Shirley Chisholm, campaigned to be on the Democrat ballot in 1977. That counts as running for president, even if they don't win the primary right?
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That’s why I specified “general”. I’m not sure a Black woman was ever on a general election ballot
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I’m not sure it’s happened in a general though. Maybe a super small party but I’m not aware of a Green or Libertarian candidate that was Black
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Cynthia McKinney?
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From wikipedia:
Charlene Alexander Mitchell (June 8, 1930 – December 14, 2022) was an American international socialist, feminist, labor and civil rights activist. In 1968, she became the first Black woman candidate for President of the United States.[1][2]
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Oh hey just remembered there was an incident like that in 1880 or so. White woman kicked off the ballot but still ran depending on definition
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What really bugs me is that both sides are just attacking the other rather than talking about why they are the right choice. US elections are always about smear campaigns
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I remember the first election I was old enough to vote in (the 2004 election) paying close attention to all the political ads I saw and, at least for that election, only the Republican ads were focused on "other guy bad, so vote me." The opposing side's ads were entirely focused on their own platform and never even mentioned the other side.
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From what I see most elections always are.
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It's not what I'm used to in the Netherlands. There are personal attacks sometimes, but mostly by guys who don't have the best reputation in the first place.
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This is most of my memory of Canadian elections too. I wish even mentioning other parties wasn't allowed in campagin material, like how in some parts of government politicians can only refer to each other by title and not by name.
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There was a time, a few decades ago, when there was a real demand to get away from the negativity of most campaigns. Everyone says they wanted it, polls clearly showed it, etc.
But then there was another study which analyzed the effectiveness of campaigns (i.e. if they won) vs how negative they went.
Negativity was clearly proven to be the winning tactic.
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Way more people than that have lost in the general election (hundreds, if not thousands), including Cynthia McKinney in 2008 as the most successful black female loser, but plenty of other black women have lost the general election.
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Sample size too small, please try again in 1000 years.
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Bold of you to think the yanks will have a good enough sample size in 1000 years
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It’s equally valid to say that a black woman has lost the election every time.
Edit: Vacuous truth
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Not really, since in most (all?) U.S. presidential elections to date there has not been a black woman on the ballot. I think there's an important semantic difference between losing and not winning. The equal but opposite statement to the OP would be that a black woman has never won the election, which is true.
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STONKS
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Well, maybe we can make a little progress this year.
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Maybe if Michelle gets the nomination. Kamala isn't black.
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Cynthia McKinney lost in 2008.
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Kinda depends on how you are measuring it.
It sounds like you are just going by elected presidents, but quite a few were multiple-term presidents, and those presidents had multiple elections with different opponents.
And sometimes, a losing opponent would go on to win a later election.
Also, no one ran against George Washington, twice.
Out of 59 elections (if you include Washington), I think there have been 49 white guys and one white lady who have lost a US Presidential election at least once (and may or may not have gone on to be President in a later election).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
I am exactly as fun at parties as you would imagine.
It’s also technically a lot more if you remember that we do in fact have several marginalized parties running in every general election.
And multiple candidates per party who lose during the primary stage.