We said thoughts and prayers, isn't that their custom for victims of gun violence?
Are we supposed to be emulating them? Isn't that just stooping to their level? Why not be the better man?
Somone wise once said, fool me once shame on you foot me twice... Can't get fooled again!
Republicans have been pushing hate and fear for DECADES. They have laughed at tragedies and drawn crosshairs on their political opponents.
So yea, we don't need to be better men.
I don't condone violence, but I also have zero sympathy for someone who's done nothing except stoke fear and violence at every turn.
Better men are the ones that string the fascist up from gas stations.
You can be a better man if you want, i'm not wasting social niceties on someone who took a fat dump on the social contract and told me to eat up. And that is my choice to make.
When it's no longer working sometimes you have to abandon being the better man and punch a bully in the mouth.
Brilliant. The only issue is conservatives don't make arguments by logic. Using logic against them does nothing. The people who need to see this likely can't even read.
I’ve been saying this for years, you can’t do good faith with a bad faith person.
Imo the correct solution is some light trolling, light enough that you still have the moral high ground.
People have been saying that more and more recently.
you got to love how they turned the tables and are blaming democrats for fostering an environment of violence lol. Is this what a logic lapse looks like?
And Democrats are gonna buy it and become even more milquetoast.
And further alienate any actual people that might support them. They have to condemn political violence because it was an attack on their class, and their class solidarity overrides any political rivalry. But even my very liberal friend said "dang, it's too bad they missed." Idk what my Christian grandma feels about the shooting but when Trump got covid she did say he deserved it.
Most if not all. Would not put is past Bernie to show up to the next congressional hearing with an MP5K under his jacket and say “just in case.”
Basically I’m saying we need more Bernies
Welcome to the Post-Fact world of the Alt-Right... They don't care that their arguments make no sense, it's about the feeling behind it.
Is this what a logic lapse looks like?
Nope. Logic plays no part in it because it's all emotional manipulation. As much as the word gets overused nowadays, this is gaslighting. Straight from the abuser's handbook - Deny Accusations, Reverse Victim & Offender (DARVO).
The conservative subreddit is losing their mind rn. They say calling Trump a threat to democracy is violent rhetoric.
Grasping at all the straws in the world.
They say calling Trump a threat to democracy is violent rhetoric.
They aren't strictly wrong. When Republicans insisted that Clinton, Obama, and Biden were a threat to democracy, they absolutely intended it as a call to violence.
The hiccup in their reasoning is that the shooter was one of their dudes. The "Trump is a threat to democracy" line isn't just a GOTV message among Dems. Its an ear-splitting dog whistle from the secessionists and white nationalists who see Jared Kushner as a shadowy (((puppet master))) working Trump's strings. This call came from inside the GOP's own house.
Grasping at all the straws in the world.
Not at all. This is pure projection. Republicans shooting at Republicans, while everyone points at the other and shouts "Double Secret Antifa Infiltrator!" They've drunk their own Deep State kool-aid and now they've got the long knives out for one another.
They're also upset that the shooter was apparently one of their own and not an evil lefty liberal. Clearly they would have liked that.
“If [Hillary Clinton] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
He was just joking though. You can tell because he always speaks plainly.
Fucking hell I totally forgot about this shit. Thank you for reminding us.
it's been a while since i've heard them whine about BLM burning the entire country down
I have been stuck swamping in a truck for days with the driver blasting right wing radio. They never stopped whining about BLM, they just pepper it into everything because they no longer feel the need to talk about it on it's own anymore.
When something becomes that ubiquitous it's always there but as a supporting member of the chorus, not the one in the spotlight
From the first few paragraphs about fascism on Wikipedia
Fascism rejects assertions that violence is inherently negative or pointless, instead viewing imperialism, political violence, and war as means to national rejuvenation
Yes but they will gladly act like violence is bad to gain the sympathy of the average person when it's against their own people.
The shooter was a right wing nutjob apparently?
Personally I think that the whole thing was staged
I absolutely do not think it's staged and hate conspiracy nonsense in general.
But, I like this conspiracy because it's basically doing to Republicans what they do to all victims of actual tragedies. These monsters called Sandy hook crisis actors...
So yea, all of this was definitely staged and is fake news 😂
I prefer the theory that he was a radical centrist.
Yeah, according to his wikipedia page, he was:
- registered republican
- advocated for conservative views in high school debates
- donated to a progressive voter turnout project the same day Biden was sworn in
To me that means he had conservative views that don't align with Trump's views. My guess is that he felt Trump steered the party in the wrong direction, which is totally understandable. Prior to Trump, the Republican Party was relatively centrist (look at Romney and McCain, the two prior GOP candidates), and after Trump, the rhetoric among conservatives really ramped up.
So yeah, I think radical centrist totally fits the bill.
Honestly, I used to consider myself Republican as a teenager, and that was true until just after the 2012 election. I really liked Rand Paul, and seeing him get totally rejected was disappointing, to say the least. I voted Libertarian in 2016, and for Biden in 2020, all because I absolutely despise Trump. I am no longer under any illusion that I'm conservative (I'm very socially liberal), but I can see how someone who considers themselves conservative could not mesh at all with Trump's message, to the point where they see him as a threat to their preferred party.
My personal suspicion is he was a high school libertarian who then realized it was not what he thought. I called myself a libertarian in high school for a short time before I realized what that group was really about (basically freedom to hate, not freedom to love, unless it's loving children). I now call myself an anarchist.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. He was a kid who lost his life probably doing something he was convinced was important, as so many kids do. Is he better or worse than the kids who were told that people in Iraq were evil and a threat to America?
Trump, and the whole MAGA movement, have done so much to erode trust in our institutions. The fact someone felt the need to put everything on the line for their (likely futile) attempt to stop it sucks. Even in success it likely would have failed. It would have galvanized support for that faction and someone else would have taken up the position. We need something more powerful than a bullet to kill the movement.
Conservative libertarianism can be summed up as "Don't tread on me treading on you."
libertarian in high school for a short time before I realized what that group was really about (basically freedom to hate, not freedom to love, unless it’s loving children)
?? That's... exactly the opposite of libertarianism. Look at the Libertarian Party nominee for 2024, he's a gay man who is extremely supportive of the trans community and came from the left. That's just about the opposite of the caricature you've painted.
I wonder if by "libertarian" you mean the "libertarian" wing of the Republican Party? Because those aren't libertarians at all, they're just conservatives who aren't as openly against civil rights. They're the sorts that somehow justify supporting Trump, which makes absolutely no sense to someone with libertarian values (again, see how Trump was booed at the Libertarian National Convention).
Libertarians believe in the non-aggression principle (i.e. they just want to leave you alone), and someone who attempts to assassinate a presidential candidate certainly doesn't meet that bar. They believe in same sex marriage (and probably non-monogomous marriage), access to recreational drugs, no foreign military involvement, increased legal immigration, fiscal responsibility, etc.
We need something more powerful than a bullet to kill the movement.
Exactly. We need to disseminate truth. Show people how Trump's policies have failed and will fail. Expose his lies, and demonstrate how alternatives are better. Unfortunately, Biden isn't the right candidate to spread that message. I am looking at Chase Oliver (Libertarian Party candidate) to spread that message, but unfortunately the LP is having some internal issues so he may be limited in his reach.
What we need is a champion for liberty that's willing to call out BS on both sides of the aisle, not in a "both sides" sense, but by calling out unique issues with both major parties. That push needs to be strong enough to make concrete steps toward solving the roots of the problem, such as:
- alternative voting systems - personal preference for STAR or Approval, but Ranked Choice works
- end gerrymandering - personal preference for proportional representation within the states, but independent commissions work
- reform political debates - any candidate who is on enough ballots to mathematically win should be invited to at least the first debate
- reform campaign funding - massive fines for inaccurate ads, and perhaps ban ads altogether except for ads for debates
Those have at least some chance at fixing things.
If it was staged, it was one hell of a show.
But there are more than a few Republicans who would love to see Trump six feet under, just to clear the way for their own jackboots. I don't think its a coincidence that Trump picked Peter Thiel's favorite Senator as his VP, two days after a far-right gun nut wings him. He's circling the wagons and shoring up support among his gun-nuttier base.
Nutjob, sure, but probably not "right wing." Here's the facts as stated on his wikipedia page:
- registered Republican
- held conservative views in high school
- donated to a progressive fund the day Biden was sworn in
So, he's conservative and despises Trump. Someone who's way far to the right wouldn't donate to a progressive fund. I think he was a relatively moderate Republican who liked the GOP before Trump/MAGA took over, so basically Romney and McCain, not Trump and MTG.
We don't even really need to check who has been defending or denouncing what if you want to see who's committing violence, there's an even more damning statistic.
Number of People Killed in Deadly Attacks in the Post-9/11 Era, by Ideology
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Far Right Wing: 134
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Jihadist: 107
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Ideological Misogyny/Incel Ideology: 17
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Black Separatist/Nationalist/Supremacist: 13
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Far Left Wing: 1
It should also be noted that Jihadist terror attacks have almost as many victims as far right terror attacks because the former are just more efficient, but far right terror attacks are far more common. Check the graph in the article.
The fact that the far right candidate has been under a murder attempt by another far right loon is just the cherry on top.
Doesn't even count the OKC bombing, which would shoot up those numbers
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And the same party that cries about stochastic terrorism now doesn't believe it either.
Well done.
Every accusation is a confession with these assholes.
Also…no one in the history of ranged weapons has ever trained for the ear. Center mass to drop. This was a full on photo op
