AOC defeats moderate challenger in Democratic primary

Despite his efforts, Dolan’s message did not gain enough traction. His campaign, funded largely by personal loans, couldn’t match Ocasio-Cortez’s $8 million war chest.

You people are living in an oligarchy and "who has more money for this season" being a perfectly normal news bit outside of popular sports is completely insane.

- https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/party-financing lots of countries limit how much can be given to politicians
- I do not life in the US. However because of US hegemony and my country being a suck up to the US i have to follow what is going on there.
  But in case there is any doubt. The country i live in, which is Germany is corrupt and authoritarian with a complicit public and private media as well as the "center" parties moving further to the right and helping fascism rise faster than ever before. The "liberal" middle class are to a large extent just self delusional racists and the country will become a fascist hellhole in the next ten years.
  So if you have the opportunity, please help spread awareness about all the shit happening here too.
That's because billionaires have purchased SCOTUS. The outcome of a single court case has allowed unlimited money from whomever into election campaigns.
- Jesus fuck you people claim it’s rigged no matter who wins
  Headline: "Person with most money wins race handily"
  Far Left Antifa CCP Tankie on Lemmy: "Damn, seems like the sheer volume of money is determining the winners of these races"
  Reasonable Rational Centrist: "STFU, you stupid idiot! Why can't you just be happy that the person with the most money won?!"
- Yeah those corpos tipping the scales for progressives. Such a thing.
- The DNC are not moderates. They are economic far right with imperialist foreign and racist internal policy, but some LGBT rights sprinkled in between.
  And i am quite sure if people like Sanders or Stein would win it will definitely not be because of corporations funding them, more the opposite actually.

It amazes me that primaries are held this late in the year. It’s only four months or so until the election.

Only in America. Other counties campaign for a few weeks. The US turns it into a 12 month fund raising and media spectacular, with primaries at the halfway point.
- A while back, HR 1 For the People Act promised to remedy much of the issue but it never got a vote in the senate because Republicans held the Senate Speaker until the next congress was formed.
Why make election season much longer than needed?
Printing ballots can be done quite quickly.
And is 6 months of campaigning really better than 2 months?
- Ffffuuuuuuucccckkk no its not better. It's just that our system predated most parliaments, and as such the founding fathers made some stupid choices that made it utterly impossible to amend basic quailty of life changes for our democracy.
- It's better for the politicians wallets.
I agree. Why weren't they all done last November?
The Dem presidential primary still has like two more months.
Biden and his pick for DNC chair set the date, they could have made it whenever.
They choose after the deadline to get on all 50 ballots for some reason.
- It's pretty recent that campaigning started so early. Even Obama didn't campaign as early as trump and Biden do.
- Dems? Primary?
  ROFL.
Massachusetts has not held its Senate primary yet either. I had to check, it will be on September 3rd it seems.

Moderate? Marty Dolan is a full-blown conservative. Why do we keep pretending like being a Democrat means you can't be a conservative? The DNCs entire top brass is conservative. It's a conservative party by objective international standards.

Because the Overton window in the United States has many people viewing fascists as friends and anyone further left than center right as "extreme left wing socialist communist Nazi terrorists".
- I hate it when ignorant people conflate Nazis and communists. I have argued with so many dumb people who think that the Nazis were a Socialist party, when the exact opposite is true. These people probably think that the DPRK is democratic, too.
- That's why they call em moderates. No need for the media to do it as well.

In the rest of the world. A 66 year old investment banker would be considered right wing

Suck it AIPAC.

The ones laughing at Bowman’s loss? Yeah, I’m sure they’re crying so hard tonight
Will you people shut up about the DNC/Israel/"Them" rigging everything now?
- This guy doesn't know the difference between rigging and ratfucking, point and laugh at him.
- Why? We get to tell the truth and apparently deeply bother you all at once. Seems like a win-win for everyone but you , and you don't matter.
- You could argue that AIPAC is partly responsible for the mess we're in, as well as other PACs. So, I don't think that they will stop. Hell, one could hold that stance while voting for questionable politicians on their side. You just gotta make sure that the threat of being primaried remain.
- After what happened to Jamaal Bowman. Not a fucking chance.
  Oh, did people pointing out the unfair latitude given to your favorite genocidal nation make you upset? Whoops.

Good. Anyone described as a "moderate" in the US is actually a conservative at best. Anyone described as a "conservative" is actually a fascist at best.

It seems many described as "left" in the USSA are conservatives too.
I hate this divisive bullshit. Democracies require pluralities. You need to be a big tent party to govern.
- The most divisive people in politics don't want that big tent to be a governable coalition. If you appeal to big tent politics they start trying to incite violence including political subjugation of the same opponents that you're trying to appeal to. You'll see them around.
- Reality check: Repubs are trying to elect an insurrectionist promising to be a dictator. I'm sorry facts are divisive, I don't like the situation either.

Good for her. Sucks that Jamaal Bowman lost though.

Yeah, having to listen to Steve Innskeep gleefully break the news of Bowman's defeat on NPR this morning was not a great way to start the day.
And of course NPR frames it as confirmation that voters support genocide, not that AIPAC uses GOP money to sabotage the Democratic party. Their reporting is getting worse and worse by the day.
- Listening to NPR is like consuming pure Liberal Zionist propaganda

I hope people stop believing the bullshit that’s trying to get progressives to not vote or to vote for 3rd parties. Progressives absolutely can win democrat tickets, and that’s exactly why there’s so much propaganda trying to convince people otherwise. Progressives have a lot of political power right now, and the whole system can swing left if people don’t just give up. Progressives giving up is the only play the right has.

Progressives should absolutely vote in primaries and lower contests. They should also make it very clear there are limits to their graciousness when our president supports blatant war crimes and genocide.
- Graciousness? I don't think that's the right word...you don't vote for someone because you're being gracious, you vote for someone because you think they'll deliver what you want - or in this case perhaps, the closest person who actually stands a hope in hell of getting elected.
- I don’t disagree. But we’re living in interesting times.
  I don’t like most of the people on the ticket I’ll be given in November, but you know what’s objectively worse? Actual fascism. Fascism always ends in genocide, and these white Christian nationalists aren’t even trying to hide it, going mask-off even before they have the power to back it up.
  When fascists can be this bold and still keep their seats of power, that’s quite worrying.
  As I saw someone say earlier, we’re in democracy triage.
  I’d vote for Biden’s corpse before trump or not voting. We must wrest all power from the fascists before we can squabble about who’s more left.

What does "moderate" mean, owned by some corp?

Yeah:
"We need to freeze the border and send that message to the world to stop the death and casualties along the way," says Dolan. "The Republicans are right on this issue. But that doesn’t make me a Republican. No party is right on every issue."
On his campaign website, Dolan who has served as managing director at banks including Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase, puts the city’s current plight thus: “Bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/17/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-primary-challenger-marty-dolan/74074419007/
- It’s hilarious to me that 40 years ago this person would have been solidly Republican. Now he’s a “moderate Democrat”. This term now means “conservative that doesn’t like Trump saying the quiet part out loud”
- Holy red flags, Batman!
- “Bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free.
  Umm doesn't the State have a bigger hand in that instead of the Federal government?

Moderate: Conservative Democrat/I Can't Believe It's Not A Republican

I mean, no shit. Didn't she win her first election with 89% of the vote or something

Primary or general? General I would expect, given her district

To be fair, frogs are pretty dope.

This is the wrong post, but my point stands.
- It was the comment this post needed. Thank you

Personal loans. Ouch.

Hopefully it's a painful enough lesson he never comes near politics again.
He's swimming in the bank pools, he'll be fine.
The loans are just so he can write that off.

It's a very progressive district, that's how she got elected in the first place. This is not a surprise.
I bet my politics fit closer to the other guy, but I'd still vote for AOC between the two because she has a national influence and disproportionate power in the Caucus. If you're actually voting to influence Congress towards helping your district in particular, AOC might get that done even if it's secondary to her national political project. Some moderate guy in a safe D seat would absolutely never get anything for your district.

In the rest of the Western world, AOC would be considered a moderate.
- Welcome to the US where the left is still right of center
- Would she? I’m not that informed on her politics but I think Bernie supported her, and Bernie is definitely a progressive even by rest-of-the-world standards.

Now at a greater scale!

"No MODERATE CHALLENGERS want to work anymore!!!"

An article about an election without any numbers. How tight was the race? How many people voted? We will never know. In fact, the whole article contains no information that wasn't known beforehand. Probably written beforehand and just put online by a timer as the result was not surprising. News media is going downhill faster and faster.

Better source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/new-york-us-house-district-14-results
Landslide win for AOC. Maybe USA today just didn't want us to know how absolutely not close the race was?
- That's exactly it.
  The lies in MSM aren't what they say, it's what they don't say.
  The best place to see this is at Planet Fitness, or similar place with TVs constantly tuned to all the major outlets. Watch them all at once and observe what each isn't saying.

Radicalize the moderates !

fuck moderates, we're fighting for our goddamn lives and the life of American democracy. We got no room for both-siders.

Let that be a lesson.