Here’s what we’re working on in Firefox | The Mozilla Blog
Last week we shared a number of updates with our community of users, and now we want to share them here: At Mozilla, we work hard to make Firefox the best
Hopefully I don't get many downvotes for this, but it isns't necessary to deny anything related to AI and bombard Mozilla for this. Sure, Copilot is a disaster, because it is a service and will call home to M$ and collect your data. But all of what Mozilla offers us is on-device AI, which is exceptional. I've been waiting so long for on-device AI-based webpage translation, so people don't need to rely on external services like Google or Bing to translate any more.
Yeah, Mozilla is doing good work, and AI is here to stay. It's all about making and using AI ethically.
Same, their local translation tech is absolutely great! If they keep working "AI" features that are pretty much quality of life ML stuff I'm all in for it.
It's fun playing with local AI stuff. I've been playing with piper-tts and it's fast on a modern system.
didnt mozilla recently introduce on-device translation?
We are approaching the use of AI in Firefox — which many, many of you have been asking about
Which one of you was it, who asked for AI in Firefox???
It looks like they are riding the AI wave to bring more features that are just good, local ML-based, and I'm all in for it. Firefox Translation is a great recent example, it's good.
AI actually can be very good at translating things locally while keeping tone and intent, and thats what mozilla mentions here. I'm fully down with AI powered local translation tools native to firefox, it'll put it way above the competition
Some LLMs are low enough in resource usage to do this on weak and older PCs
when used to enhance accessibility? me. especially in this case where it's used for better alt text and descriptive text in pdfs, a tech that has long struggled with that.
It's a useful technology. Would be stupid to ignore it
Board of directors, I guess.
Me.
The chatbots, presumably.
Can’t wait for vertical tabs
Vertical slabs
I’ve heard a lot of people talk about vertical tabs but personally I don’t see the appeal. Can you explain to me what is desirable about vertical tabs?
Im a simple man, less browser UI = good. I only want to see what I need to see. I’d hide the address bar if it wasn’t cumbersome to use with hover (as in hover at the top of the browser window to show the address bar).
It’s more efficient to stack wide elements on top of each other than next to each other.
Especially with websites that are optimised for mobile which means they use only the middle 60% of the whole 16:9 screen, not to mention ultrawide. So vertical space is needed more than horizontal space.
In addition, you can have the vertical tabs hide the text, so you can only see the favicon, unless hovered over. I basically have a 50px bar on the left and top. So this (without the right sidebar, I’m not at my PC so I stole the photo from Reddit :P) :
But only if it results in reclaimed vertical real estate! Vertical tabs in edge is a a net loss in screen space, which makes it pointless in my opinion
"At Mozilla, we work hard to make Firefox the best browser for you. That’s why we’re always focused on building a browser.."
You don't need to lie to us. We are just happy you are finally working on browser features.
I'm looking forward to reducing ui clutter and profile improvements.
Where would the lying be?
The lie is that they are always focused on making the best browser. The last few years they have focused on everything but the browser.
I only need Firefox to load pages faster than Chrome
Good luck convincing people to switch to it based only on "it loads pages faster than Chrome" though. It's a good goal to have, but getting tunnel-visioned on it when their current speed in real world use is pretty comparable is definitely not a good long-term plan.
I'm not talking about pulling more people. I'm talking about my issue as an existing and looooong term user of Firefox. I started using a very low end phone recently, and Firefox vs Chrome on it is night and day difference. I don't notice it on my galaxy phone, but on low end devices it's torturous.
The only thing Mozilla should be doing instead of working on useless stuff and wasting resources, as usual.
Tab Grouping would be great if implented well.
kinda excited to see what their native vertical tabs will look like. i’ve been using sidebery for the past ~3 years and i’m extremely satisfied with it, i somehow doubt their native version will look as good
Same but for tab groups. I can't believe it took this long and every extension-based alternative is busted in some fundamental way.
Even if it doesn't look as good, it'll hopefully include some better APIs that extensions can utilise to improve their experience. E.g. hide the native tabs.
hide the native tabs
YES! i currently have to use custom css to achieve this, would be so much more convenient if it was an extension
Is it tab groups?
Holy shit, it is. I'm really hoping that includes mobile, since it's the only thing keeping me using a Chromium browser
So they say. I'll believe it when I see it.
It's not gonna fix my 5900x taking off like a jet engine when I launch 100 JavaScript heavy web apps.
does that mean workspaces?
I just want HDR video support
This and the "Cast youtube video to TV" without an external bridging software
Literally the only reason I ever fire up a different browser. Come on guys.
Noo, you want ai!!! 😞😞😞
Pretty please, fuck off with the AI. It's really not something I need from a browser, don't inflate your download size for a screen reader, just MAKE IT OPTIONAL in every way.
I totally agree regarding making it optional, but I have to say the idea of auto generating alt texts sounds like a really useful application of AI - no one really likes to do that manually yet a significant number of beautiful people rely on it.
I do agree with your point about auto-generated captions being better than no captions. But isn't it bad to insert them automatically on creation? If we use these models to caption images shouldn't it be done by the screen reader instead? That way people can benefit from future advancements of the tech and customize the captioning system for themselves. With the current system there is no way to tell if you got a crappy AI caption that you may want to replace with a better auto-generated caption or a human written caption.
Afaik nearly every feature/product Mozilla has shipped with Firefox in the past has been optional. So surely these will be as well.
I'm looking forward to a local ai-powered translator so I don't have to send data to google or bing
You sound like you have no disabilities that make it hard for you to use the Internet. Good for you.
If AI can add usability features that help people use the Internet easier then that's a good thing. You don't need to use it. Why complain about software being capable of helping others?
There's a lot of doom and gloom online about this, but to me these seem like welcome changes 🤷
This has actually been the most positive reaction to a Firefox announcement I've seen in a long time. I've yet to find a piece of open source software users act more toxic towards than Firefox. It is impossible to find any Firefox-related announcement in recent years that's received broadly positive feedback. For a long time, the top voted comment would always be someone demanding tab groups or vertical tabs. Now they're adding those, which is probably why the reaction has been a bit more positive. But of course, AI and UI changes have become the new things to complain about.
The top comment is usually someone saying nothing should ever change and every feature is bloat and should be an extension.
Finally, the only two features I've been missing - tab groups and profiles. With all the modern internet browser stones, we'll be unstoppable!
More streamlined menus that reduce visual clutter and prioritize top user actions so you can get to the important things quicker.
So make things even harder to find? A classic menu bar is not clutter!
At least in firefox it's not hard to change toolbars...
Reading pages out loud has been an unexpected hit for me on the latest iOS. I’d love this in Firefox too.
You can do that already, I'm doing it very often.
On the Desktop go to reader mode and click the play button.
On Android I use https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hyperionics.avar just share any website with it and it starts reading it.
Ooh will try thanks for the heads up!
Great silent AI captioning. I can't see this going wrong.
Honestly I think Mozilla has it all wrong
Fix freezing/crashing bugs on android first ! I don't need nor want AI. I need and want a stable browser.
@petsoi
Do you do somethig to solve these Security Issues:
madaidans-insecurities.github.…
We are approaching the use of AI in Firefox — which many, many of you have been asking about — in the same way. We’re focused on giving you AI features that solve tangible problems, respect your privacy, and give you real choice.
We’re looking at how we can use local, on-device AI models — i.e., more private — to enhance your browsing experience further. One feature we’re starting with next quarter is AI-generated alt-text for images inserted into PDFs, which makes it more accessible to visually impaired users and people with learning disabilities.
NO! I don't want AI in my Firefox. If Mozilla really adds AI, I will consider switching my main browser since Firefox 1 came out.
AI generated alt-text running locally is actually a fantastic accessibility feature. It's reliable, it provides a service, it can absolutely be deployed securely.
It's fine to be critical of technology, it's not fine to become as irrational about it as the tech bros trying to make a buck.
Not irrational to be concerned for a number of reasons. Even if local and secure AI image processing and LLMs add fairly significant processing costs to a simple task like this. It means higher requirements for the browser, higher energy use and therefore emissions (noting here that AI has blown Microsoft's climate mitigation plan our of the water even with some accounting tricks).
Additionally, you have to think about the long term changes to behaviours this will generate. A handy tool for when people forget to produce proper accessible documents suddenly becomes the default way of making accessible documents. Consider two situations: a culture that promotes and enforces content providers to consider different types of consumer and how they will experience the content; they know that unless they spend the 1% extra time making it accessibile for all it will exclude certain people. Now compare that to a situation where AI is pitched as an easy way not to think about the peoples experiences: the AI will sort it. Those two situations imply very different outcomes: in one there is care and thought about difference and diversity and in another there isn't. Disabled people are an after thought. Within those two different scenarios there's also massively different energy and emissions requirements because its making every user perform AI to get some alt text rather than generate it at source.
Finally, it worth explaining about Alt texts a bit and how people use them because its not just text descriptions of an image (which AI could indeed likely produce). Alt texts should be used to summarise the salient aspects of the image the author wants a reader to take away for it in a conscise way and sometimes that message might be slightly different for Alt Text users. AI can't do this because it should be about the message the content creator wants to send and ensuring it's accessible. As ever with these tech fixes for accessibility the lived experience of people with those needs isn't actually present. Its an assumed need rather than what they are asking for.
Just use librewolf or something, or if they incorporate ai, I'd be surprised if an ai-free fork doesn't pop up quickly
I've looked at alternative forks of Firefox before, but there were two problems for me: a) most are not up to date or slow to update, and b) hard to trust my browser to any community or other company. You see, I actually trust Mozilla, specifically Firefox and Thunderbird. At least the AI is local only, but it would add another attack vector and bloat for no reason to me. We'll see if it can be disabled.
I think that sounds like a cool use case. If it runs locally what's not to like?
Are you aware that Firefox Translate uses AI models[1] to translate text and it’s already included in current versions of Firefox?
[1]: not a completion/instruction LLM, but still very much a “language” model
I don’t want AI in my Firefox. If Mozilla really adds AI, I will consider switching my main browser
Don't know why you anti-AI so much. An on-device AI is absolutely fine to me, and it's not like Mozilla will force you to use it. Remember the world is not about only you but also people having disabilities.
Remember the world is not about only you but also people having disabilities.
Remember the world is not about only for people with disabilities. Secondly, this is a nonsense argument, because this does not "require" Ai. Especially not for every user. If its integrated into Firefox and I cannot remove it, then its very much forced. Why not make an extension for people who need or want it? (nobody needs this)
I am just hoping governments will see the massive issues and copyright problems with AI and ban that garbage outright soon so all these companies eager to add their AI trash to every single product they ship will stop.
The way that profiles works today is the reason I don’t use it. Chrome just handles it all so gracefully between profiles and opening links from other applications.
JMINS (just make it not suck). Fix the existing brokeness before adding more useless stuff. E.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749612 open for 2+ years and marked "enhancement" even though it's a bug that makes the feature unusable a lot of the time.
How is displaying a password in a certain font "broken" when you can easily copy/paste it? People who rally against Firefox sure do point to ridiculous, non-existent "problems" as an excuse to keep using laughable Chromium/derivatives.
Here’s what we’re working on in Firefox... spyware.
It says nothing about spyware, the article isn't hyped up at all, and describes a token to track installations vs downloads.
"This data will allow us to correlate telemetry IDs with download tokens and Google Analytics IDs. This will allow us to track which installs result from which downloads to determine the answers to questions like, "Why do we see so many installs per day, but not that many downloads per day?"
Also there is an opt-out during installation.
I don't even use Firefox, and I honestly am not attacking but your comment seemed very hyperbolic and with little detail.
You're right that it's good to be aware of this stuff, I also don't see this being a road block for the average user.
Maybe you could get your shit to work properly on Linux
Linux user here running FF, no real dealbreaker issues at my end.
What's not working for you?
Backdrop-filter blur with css animations and box-shadows. Lots of flickering, weird artifacts.
It’s also got an issue on macOS where a sticky element can’t have a backdrop-filter with a background that has alpha/opacity (#0006)
CSS transitions are laggy in general in FF Linux
Works in chrome and safari and FF on windows.
