Tesla blows past stopped school bus and hits kid-sized dummies in FSD tests
Tesla blows past stopped school bus and hits kid-sized dummies in Full Self-Driving tests
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/443781
Sounds like a typical driver in the US
Reminds me of when they literally programmed rolling stops into FSD
What the hell is wrong with the author of that article? Jesus christ
The guy who wrote this is an idiot. Vehicles with self driving should always follow the driving law to the letter regardless of what normal human behavior is. Human drivers do an immense amount of stupid shit in cars so imitating them with a computer is extremely dangerous.
If anything people should have extra safety requirements for self driving cars such as "always 5km/h below speed limit", "2s stop at stop sign" and "slow down to -10km/h below speed limit before an intersection".
The only difference is that a driver would get out of their car, check for damage to their vehicle, and then get mad at the kid! /s
I'm a school bus driver and this year we finally got the automatic cameras that catch people going past our red flashers and stop signs. My camera has captured about two to three drivers per day doing this. I would have rather had the automatic machine guns but the camera is a fine second choice.
Edit: the funniest thing I've had happen with the camera so far is one person that came flying past my reds, noticed the lights and stop sign as they were passing me, slammed on their brakes and then backed up past me again while mouthing "I'm so sorry" to me. Yes, they received two tickets for this - and I had nothing to do with it as the cameras are completely automated.
Well there is the problem right there, FSD shouldn't be doing these tests in the first place! How else is Tesla supposed to get their amazing cyber taxi out of it has to follow all these dumb rules?
Not American, but I think FSD stands for Full Self-Driving, not an organization.
It's fine, they'll fix these issues in time for the robotaxi rollout ten years from now.
What's that? They're planning on launching the robotaxis at the end of this month? Well then.
That's pretty good, they're fairly small targets.
Also fairly impressive interception of a moving small target, especially considering they're hidden behind the bus for most of their initial trajectory.
its not that the car is programmed poorly, it just really hates children
Hunter Seeker Mode: School Busses. Easy Prey.
If I worked at Tesla, I would very much be doing a crappy job and slipping bad ideas into what looks like good code. The Lord's work.
How would you know where to put it among all the other shitty code?
Because, as we know, US developers are so much better than anyone else around the world. Which is why they they gave us excellent software like Windows 11, MS Teams, Google Hangouts, and so on.
Take your xenophobia and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Didn’t I just read this like a few weeks ago? But there’s a Jun 15 date in the article. So did this happen again?
It's the same story making the rounds.
Edit: They also did it in Austin and somewhere else, so same situation in 2 different spots, generating like 4-5x the stories as each one gets repeated in the news cycle
Pretty normal for a Tesla.
I'm a school bus driver. This is also totally normal for human-driven vehicles.
That makes sense, Tesla use real driver data to train the cars. The cars ignore the traffic controls humans ignore, follows the rules humans follow
They try to fix bad behaviour, but I bet there haven't been enough human driven Teslas illegally passing school buses and having a collision for Tesla to notice that FSD ignores a rule it shouldn't
Great, they've invented Christine.
Hell yeah
That's fine because those were non fascist kids
I'll give you my uneducated findings: self driving cars are not ready.
I doubt they will ever be really ready, they'll eventually be considered "ready enough" no software will always work without flaws. When that software controls a car a minor flaw might mean 20 deaths.
Isn't Waymo in San Francisco completely self driving? And if their own recently released data is anything to go by, it would seem self driving cars are more ready than manually controlled cars. Because people are absolutely awful at driving.
Way is also operating in a fairly small fixed area that is highly mapped.
Not saying that's a bad thing, they are doing things the right way, slowly and cautiously.
Waymo cars use much better technology than Tesla.
Nobody is disputing that a machine that is never distracted and has reaction times down to fractions of a second would make a better driver than even the most skilled human, but Tesla's FSD hardware and software aren't there yet and probably never will be.
Comparing self driving cars to American driving standards is kinda a moot point because the american safety standards are so low that death and injury is considered the cost of doing business.
I'd be curious to see how well waymo performs compared to a country with far safer road designs and drivers that are better trained and respect rules of the road more frequently.
40.000 deaths by traffic accident by year (in the US). Only 20 deaths would be a major improvement. Obviously "cars" is a highly irrational discussion though.
And it's not just the victims who could be spared their lives, it's also the mental toll on those who kill people on accident. Blaming it on a flaw in the software that can be improved and flaws permanently fixed is great.
I say let the mechanized reduced slaughter begin!
Not unless government adjust infrastructure to accomodate. Like, QR codes on every sign giving each car passing specific instructions or whatever.
I’ve seen some comments elsewhere about how it can be trusted.
Edit; like really straight up trusted. The delusion is unreal.
Still safer than a human driver tbh
That's shrimply not true. The numbers Tesla releases are heavily cooked.
Had a quick look around but I didn't manage to find any numbers that weren't either using Tesla'd numbers, or guessing.
But it's pretty well known that FSD sucks (have been in a car using it .. terrifying af) and that it'll turn itself off before an accident to pass accountability to the driver.
I love how this keeps getting repeated by everyone everywhere
it’ll turn itself off before an accident to pass accountability to the driver.
But both Tesla (5 seconds) and the NHSTA (30 seconds) count any incident where a L2 system was on before the accident as having happened with the system active. So no, they do not use it for that purpose.
You know that video going around a few weeks ago where some dude with FSD on darted across the rode into a tree? Well, he got the cars data, and it turns out it was disabled due to enough torque on the wheel which is one of the ways you disable it. He probably nudged the wheel too hard by mistake and disabled it, or there was a mechanical failure which disabled it, but the accident counted as FSD in the report he got from Tesla as ON even though it was OFF at the time of the accident when he started going out of his lane.
So please just stop it with that nonsense.
I have 0 killed children in 25 years.
When any one car has had automatic emergency braking for 25 years, I may refer to it here. For now, I can safely say that nearly every single current auto-braking car also has 0 child fatalities. Other humans, however, do not.
Despite doors blowing off, Boeing planes are safer than human drivers tbh. You'd think tech fans would understand the importance of logic in computers. Red means stop.
I'm reading the comments about this video, and I think people are missing the point.
It's not about the Telsa running into the kid. It's about the Tesla completely ignoring the FLASHING FUCKING STOP SIGN at the side of the bus, which resulted in it hitting the kid dummy.
This could have been a pedestrian crossing, railroad stop, intersection, etc.
These vehicles aren't "smart" and should not be allowed on the road. Any idiot can have greater awareness than a Tesla.
No 'smart' device is smart.
you wouldn't say that to his face, would you? 🥺
Yeah, it might kill the kid, it might not.
Im still gonna stick to my ford F50000 Fleshreaper (BLOOD FOR THE CAR GOD!™) driven by a good old fashioned human to get the job done.
Besides, it avoids the whole mess of theological issues about who gets moloch's love.
Oh, now I get it. Didn‘t know it’s not allowed to pass the bus even when it’s on the other side of the street. In our country we teach the kids to not run across the street when they get out of the bus.
You might be allowed to pass a stopped school bus if the road has a concrete divider, but if there isn't one of those you are't allowed to pass it in either direction. Kids are stupid and will gladly run into traffic if they see their parent on the other side of it. Also, there isn't really a point in stopping traffic in only one direction, with cars passing on the other side you can't cross the road anyway.
Kids will do stupid things sometimes, no avoiding that. In Germany you can pass a stopped bus on the other side of the road, but if it has its hazards on, you can't go faster than walking speed.