Pakistan may have downed up to six fighter jets in what could be India’s heaviest air losses since 1971
Breaking News | Pakistan may have downed up to six fighter jets in what could be India’s heaviest air losses since 1971
Hopefully this results in India realizing the best course of action is to declare a false victory and move on without leading to a larger war.
Unfortunately lost jets are likely to enrage, not deter India.
I read a compelling argument on Reddit, though, that both countries have strong reasons not to escalate... Here's hoping!
There's photo proof that at least 1 Rafale was shot down. There's a photo of Rafale tail wreckage BS-001, which means it was the first Rafale delivered to India. Last night there was already a video of a wrecked missile launcher and wrecked French MICA missile on the ground in front of a burning jet fighter. It was either shot down by HQ-9 (Chinese S-300) SAM, or JF-17 or J-10CE jets with PL-15 (Chinese long range air to air missile). Chinese missiles took out France's top fighter jet.
Funny thing is that the 2019 flare up between India and Pakistan, there was also fighter jet engagement. Pakistan said they shot down an Su-30MKI and an old Mig (bison?), and India claimed they shot down an F-16. The only proof was the Mig pilot was captured alive and later returned back to India. 2019 showed IAF that they needed "better" fighter jets, they think Western Jets were the best, so they quickly went for the hyped up Rafales. Just like in Ukraine, NATO wunderwaffe has proven to be overhyped, and way overpriced, when matched against an equal opponent.
The world is about to find out if public industry or private industry is really the better way to build things when public industrial militaries go up against private industrial militaries.
So far it's not looking good for privatization. Unsurprisingly
World War One was a struggle between the old feudal systems and the newer, capitalist modes of production. The capitalists won and the first socialist nation was born out of a crumbling monarchy.
I'm hoping all this isn't a precursor to another world war and things de-escalate. The contradictions of capitalism are becoming impossible to reconcile and it seems like it's trying to take the world down with it.
Yes, but private profits > good, useful products!
/s
Theory: just like in Ukraine, part of the goal is to draw out military capabilities and see how they perform. Russia did everything it could to limit advanced tech deployment in the beginning of the SMO to avoid showing all its cards, but the US still gained valuable Intel on Russian capabilities. If my theory is correct that this flare up is being directed by the US, it could be partially to get Intel on the field performance of Chinese weapon systems.
France would not allow their best fighter jet to get shot down by China's mid range fighter jets, just so Uncle Sam could get some information on Chinese military hardware. It's a major blow to the reputation of Dassault (Rafale Manufacturer). Western military tech sales are hyped up because of their real world success on the battlefield, but they've always been picking on weaker armies.
China also wants to know if their equipment performs as expected. It has, maybe even exceeding expectations.
Indeed!
but the US still gained valuable Intel on Russian capabilities
The logistics of war being the one aspect they couldn't hide, or intentionally had several severe fuckups.
Nukes goin' off to the left of me,
Nukes goin' off to the right.
Here I am, cooked in the middle with you...
"And we will all go together when we go!"
Fighting between two nuclear powers. Not worrying at all.
I have several bottle caps in my go-bag!!
If a singular nuke goes off over there and you see it on the news i want everyone who sees this to know what they need to do. As soon as you find out drop everything you are doing and go to the grocery store. Spend every penny you have and buy as much shelf stable food as possible.
Rice, flax seed, corn, beans, tomatoes, carrots, and peppers are nutritionally balanced when combined (have all the vitamins you need) and can be found either canned or dried. If you cant afford all of them prioritize enriched rice and peppers. Youll have calories and wont get scurvy.
Once youve spent all your money on food get home, and secure your house. If you have weapons get them ready, and ideally have a radio to listen for alerts. Barricade doors and windows. Fill your bathtub and sink and anything else you have up with drinking water.
Go online and download PDFs on edible wild plants in your area. Herbalism, etc. Print them off if you can. But even it not keep them saved you can always recharge devices later if you find solar panels.
The top killer in a situation like this will be famine. Which will cause panic. You need food and a secure place to hunker down. Radiation likely wont be an issue for anyone not near the area but worldwide famine is likely. Smoke from the fires will blot out the sun and kill crops. The reason you barricade the home is to keep desperate people from breaking in.
If you lose power btw you CAN cook rice without power. Leave it in water for 8-12 hours. It will be gritty but edible.
The goal here is to survive about a month or 2. Once famines hit most people wont last more than a few weeks. If you can survive the initial wave itll be a lot easier to survive going forward from that. At that point get in touch with other survivors and start growing food.
You're assuming that the situation would be orderly enough for buying to still be possible - for the internet to still be accessible and online, the power grid itself to be still working, drinking water not to be contaminated and even emergency radio to be active. Most of all - the need to arm oneself, with the implicit expectation to win any confrontation.
You and I are both guilty of relying on media portrayals of a societal collapse - the likelihood everything would go according to expectations is probably nil.
I don't think this "barricade your doors, every man for himself" thing is how you'd survive. You need the community.
Did you even read my post? I didnt make any of those assumptions thats why i stressed to drop everything and do this immediately. Everything i listed should be done within an hour or 2 of the first bomb going off. If your not in the region it went off in society isnt just gonna collapse instantly. There will be a very short window to react. i literally address many of the things you bring up in my comment. Like cooking rice in cold water, filling bathtubs and containers before taps run dry, etc.
How does me saying to have a weapon imply youll win every fight?? Its just a measure to take to improve your chances. Your certainly gonna do better with one than without.
As for emergency radio you check it regardless of if itll be working or not. You dont just assume it wont be and not bother. Thats the whole point of the post. It doesnt garuntee anything survival or otherwise it just improves your chances to take measures like this.
If you have some sort of issue with the advice im giving and want to add on to it, or correct something and offer a better alternative please do so, but why barely skim my comment and reply basically saying "nuh uh" in more words?
Good thinking & nicely structured, but I live in a city so I'm getting flashbanged on day 1 before the first nuke memes reach me (that is how I get my news).
This was advice geared towards people who haven't prepared. If someone is already prepared then they wouldn't need advice on what to do. Idk why your acting as if im somehow against organizing because i gave people a quick rundown on how to maybe survive if an unexpected global famine happens and they arent prepared for it.
A lot of people who are currently just working 60 hours a week going home passing out and repeating aren't gonna be prepared for when this happens, but if they take a few simple steps like i described their chances of starving to death decrease a lot. Spreading this information to them is not somehow anti-community organizing, and i literally mention how they should seek out community once its safe to do so.
I have a whole freezer full of dried out workout powder stuff already. Probably enough to last a whole year for me and my bf. I also have a ton of potato seed tuber things and I'm very good at making bucket potatoes 💅
But yeah idgaf about prepping for this shit if every country gets in on it then its a coin flip if you live or not unless you live in a bunker 24/7. There's also a very likely chance that society will devolve and re-evolve very quickly by gigantic paramilitary groups forming and duking it out. Anything any one prepper can do in that situation is limited.
The real prepping is getting a bunch of commie friends good at shooting guns
I think everyones misunderstanding my post. This is specifically in relation to a LIMITED regional exchange between India and Pakistan. If theres a global exchange of nukes its entirely different. People dont seem to realize even JUST India and Pakistan doing this and nobody else launching would cause a worldwide famine within weeks.
This is good advice, but I live near several major military installations and a major urban centre. My plan for this scenario is to bend over, place my head firmly between my legs and kiss my ass goodbye.
Just because one nuke goes off doesnt mean they all fly. If india and pakistan nuke eachother i doubt other nations would immediately join in. Its not like it would be totally unexpected so like if China picks up ICBMs on their radar over India for example i doubt they immediately launch in response.
So dont just assume your gonna get nuked too unless your in the region. The issue is that even if its just them nuking eachother itll disrupt the climate and cause mass famine globally.
Can I recommend also, should you ever find yourself in this situation to think of others too. If you are selfless enough to care about your neighbour's life more than your own; even about the lives of people you haven't met; or more easily, how about the children near you; what a wonderful thing! If you can care enough to share what you get your hands on, and be as little prejudiced as possible to others looking for food (e.g. in that first panicked rush), though you're scared of running out yourself, that's so good!
But not just for the love you have for your fellow (wo)man. For society: if most people act generously and kindly, and with restraint, then everyone benefits, including yourself.
Excellent write up, food and water are really the critical thing to focus on in the immediate aftermath.
I see people say this a lot. Im curious why. Idk like for me life fucking sucks as it is now under capitalism and a simple farming life doesnt seem that bad. Even like lack of access to modern medicine doesnt really change since i dont have that now anyway. Its hard to imagine anything being worse than the way the world is now.
knowing my luck, I'll end up sleeping through the nuclear apocalypse.
But on that first point, it's a good idea to spend a little extra each time you go shopping (just $5-10 if you can afford it) to grab some emergency canned food. It's how I managed to save up a stockpile. Much better than rushing out and panic buying at the same time as everyone else. It'll be a bloodbath.
Turns out that, in the end, Pakistan was the real lion all along
Ghost of Kiev Ghost of Islamabad.
Four confirmed at the moment. Two Rafales, and two Sukhoi Su-30MKIs or Mikoyan MiG-29s
Is that acknowledged by India yet?
I think they admitted the Rafales which france did as well.
I don't know much about modern air forces, but 6 jets in a single mission seems catastrophically bad.
6 jets lost, in their opening move. They had the luxury of attacking at whatever time they wanted without Pakistan knowing, but they still lost 6 jets.
Tbf Pakistan knew the attack was imminent for several days.
Also not necessarily a good sign.
Maybe the whole squadron was 5 Rafale jets & someone crashed in a parked one in a hangar back at the base.
If the number is correct or even close to that number, it's a disaster for IAF, a major embarrassment.
It is really bad for the mission they were carrying out, launching air launched cruise and ballistic missiles from well within Indian airspace, hundreds of km away from the targets. One Rafale got shot down 140km inside Indian territory. High losses are expected, but they didn't even get a single Pakistani jet.
I wrote more here yesterday
I appreciate all your excellent posts on this! If you don't mind a further question, what is the situation like for a Rafale pilot when they are targeted by these missiles? As in, how much time do they have to react, what sort of countermeasure if any did they have available?
Iirc, India is claiming only three "crashed", but still