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Are people outside the US this fucked up and judgmental over people not having a job?

It's an Elon post so obviously he's just bullshitting, but I've seen this kind of sentiment among Amerikkkans broadly throughout my life, from the days of the Global War Of Terror up to now. It's even a common insult/comeback in media for basically any mildly disruptive behavior. Why the fuck is there this mindset that the only reason someone would ever protest or challenge the government because they don't have a job? Or that somehow having a job places you under a magical trance that makes you Fall In Line? For a country that emphasizes """freedom""" USians sure love the idea of being subservient for money.

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always rich coming from the bourgeoise since their own greatest fear is becoming a worker

"Get a real job" says man whose job has been scamming the US government out of as much taxpayer money as he can possibly get away with

It's not about having a job, it's about contributing to society. All cultures and societies have ways of ridiculing and attempting to discipline those who are viewed as not contributing adequately to society. The USA is a hyper capitalist country, so that manifests itself as ridiculing people who don't have a job (as that's how you should contribute to society under the US model). There's also a built-in assumption that those without a job are "leeching off" of someone who does, or government assistance. But to answer your question, in other cultures and countries you won't be ridiculed for not having a job necessarily as the main thing, but you would be insulted for say not having kids, not taking care of/respecting the elderly, not supporting your children adequately, etc. For instance, the idea of charging your kid rent or putting your parents in a old folks home would be seen as alien and insulting in a number of countries outside of the USA, and people who do that would be ridiculed. What is seen as most important for contributing to society is different depending on culture. For some it's contributing to family, for some it's contributing to the greater collective, for some, like the general American culture, it's contributing to the economy. Though of course there are exceptions, as there is for everything.

Yes. Chuds outside the US use the "everyone who disagrees with me is unemployed and therefore subhuman" argument all the time.
The idea that wage labour is a fundamental moral good in itself, something that is at once both inherently desirable and a fundamental moral imperative, that you have to be employed to be considered a full citizen worthy of inclusion in the Volksgemeinschaft, that labour sets you free, is promoted by politicians from succdems to fascists.
This fetichising of wage labour seems to be a fundamental and important part of the ideological superstructure of every capitalist society.
- And it’s such a dumb moral standard because you literally need to wait for a rich person’s permission before you can absolve yourself.
  You know, the lazy snobby fucks who are such vehement perfectionists they will write you off as a village idiot for somehow not having a stem PhD and 10+ years of experience at 18 for their dishwasher job?
  And how many “unemployed losers” are really the very CS grads they asked for years ago and then on one arbitrary day decided “no thanks, the tech sector’s all set for workers! We good now, have fun starving!”
  
  That last paragraph is a mirror 🙃
- The idea that wage labour is a fundamental moral good in itself, something that is at once both inherently desirable and a fundamental moral imperative
  Yet every chud talks a big game about passive income and retiring at 40 because they think working is for losers.
  
  Absolutely. The judgemental chud work ethics only applies to the proletariat. They admire the bourgeoisie and dream of becoming bougies themselves. Different rules apply to the owning class, there is no requirement for them tho work, they are assumed to be contributing more than any worker to society, simply by making more money than them.
  
  That's true but another chud fantasy is the big truck, which is a masculine signifier of work. It's bastardized, but trucks are used for work (or at least they used to be) and that makes the chud's brain light up.

Calvinism started in Switzerland and is very popular all over Northern Europe. This is a protestant work ethic thing, not an American thing. Weber described this like a hundred years ago.
It's also LARPing to get in the way of solidarity. Capitalists have been pitting workers against each other for centuries over "not having a real job", and so on.

That's the universal rebuttal by chuds to a protest of any sort
- “GETTA JOB!”
  I would if I fucking could. Turns out ol’ porkchops all set and he’s a picky guy.
  Why do these idiots forget businesses need to get off their lazy asses and put people to work? Oh, you’re “streamlining” back in the day that was a fancy word for “my business is failing!”

Yes, if you don't have a job then you're considered completely worthless and a loser. Unless you're like, a stay at home mom or something, but even then some might judge a little.
- liberals on lemmy tried to insult me 3 times by saying that i had no job and it was a strange feeling because i literally had 2 jobs at the same time when it happened.
  it put on a smile on my face knowing it revealed to me that those lemmings tied their self worth to their jobs and that they were so overworked that they couldn't fathom how someone could be a software developer and a linux systems administor at the same time while still being a frequent lemmy poster. lol
- In my experience the social status of stay at home moms depends on their status in the racial and economic hierarchy.
  Racialised women who stay at home to take care of their children are seen as "welfare queens", leeching off the tax money of hardworking (white) people and as insulting the nation itself by refusing to be "integrated" by joining the labour market.
  At the other end of the spectrum, white financially comfortable women who stay at home are perceived largely positively as someone who really cares about their children
  In all cases stay at home moms are coded as female with all the nasty misogyny that goes with that. Whether a stay at home mom is denounced as a non-Aryan subhuman or lauded as an epic tradwife she is not considered a "serious" person the same way male-coded people would be.
  
  I think all care is demonized, only in different ways. Care work, especially if not monetarily remunerated, is seen as "women's work" and therefore less important than wage labor.
- Only if you’re a SAHM in a relationship…at one point in the U.K. it was single mums they said were ruining the country.

Basically the whole point is to call you an incompetent dipshit.
Clearly you must suck so much that porky in his infinite wisdom, has ascertained that you are simply too much of a stupid inferior to have any worth. Therefore nothing you say matters. If you dare criticize one of the specials, you must be a yucky poo person jealous of the specials being better than you and rightfully writing off trash like you as useless.
It’s like the adult equivalent of “nyah nyah nyah boo boo! you’re not invited to my birthday party!”

i took this as more to be an affront to the protestors legitimacy. if you just call them paid, you get to delegitimize them, and tossing the ' get a jerb' barb in is just a freebie.
- If you're getting paid to protest then protesting is your job, technically lol
  
  Don't expect fascists to be logically coherent. They're not.

"The working man " had been the identity of America for over a century, so yeah. People get weird about it.

Also weird because his "job" is tweeting 80 hrs a week and his weekend hobby is deleting people's jobs at random?
- It pays a lot though, which by capitalist logic means he's better than you regardless of the actual material effect of his work.

I'll get one when you get one, dork.

Getting a stable job in big 2025.

moron pigfucker country

On the flipside, I've seen many people make the point (framed as a neutral or good thing) that letting people be unemployed (whether in poverty or not, does not matter) leads to people "taking up politics".

Yes, everywhere around the world people think like this.
Only when it's the chuds protesting, they have jobs and are nice. It's your usual hypocrisy that is pointless pointing out.

USians inherited a puritanical work ethic from the original settlers, where your value is determined by your work ethic. Hard worker = good person, unemployed= the devil