The wokes are ruining my Lemmy!

hexbear
the wokes
Okay now that's hilarious

Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn't even exist anymore.
Are yall so laser focused on feudposting you missed that piece of news?
- Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn’t even exist anymore.
  It's wild how much a game of telephone happens even within what you'd expect to be the closest circle of association
- Hexbear exists, the domain is changing names and federation is broken for now but posting is still happening on chapo.chat.
- I had to check but hexbear currently redirects to chapo.chat so I assume they have the domain for now.
  Which says a lot about the manufactured outrage. Nobody even has a clue what is going on over at hexbear, but somehow their Lemmy experience is ruined by it.
  
  I had to check but hexbear currently redirects to chapo.chat so I assume they have the domain for now.
  Not for me it doesn't, I can access it fine.
- Check again, it's right there.
- In the sense that Twitter doesn't exist anymore, yes.
- Hmm, I was wondering why I didn't see them (last I knew, my instance didn't defederate them). What happened?
  
  They forgot to renew their domain 😂

Regardless of whether you're politically left or right, I feel like the hexbear crowd is just tremendously unfriendly. Even when I agree with them, I usually feel bad reading what they have to say. Being unwelcoming is not a good strategy for proliferating one's politics.
- Depends, if you're a Communist or an Anarchist and aren't being sectarian (except against, like, Gonzaloists that support Gonzalo and defend Pol Pot), it's very friendly. By not allowing liberalism, it ends up stopping endless arguments between leftists and liberals before they can even start.
- they will quite literally tear you up if you so much as do an outside think, i posted one comment, and got banned immediately.
  
  hahaha, for those who like to play along, it's always fun to check the moderation history of the user under the comment with the three dot menu when someone complains about bans. I actually lol'd when I saw the ban from lemmy.ml/c/chess.

Tankies shit my pants.

This whole instance-tribalism seems very self-defeating to me. Why be decentralised if everyone ends up so boxed off that there are just a handful of isolated instance-clusters talking amongst themselves? It's like how email (SMTP) is decentralised but the mega-hosts act like a cabal, gatekeeping so strongly (and virtually doing blocklist-by-default for unrecognised servers - even of good standing) ultimately capturing the user-base by undermining the decentralisation. Luckily with DKIM/SPF/DMARC/ARC/etc and stronger anti-trust regulations email seems to be slowly climbing back out of that hole. Unfortunately with all the banal tribalism it feels like much of the new Activitypub based tech users are willfully climbing into that same hole, without even being corralled there by mega-hosts.
- I'm pretty sure if we're excluding instances with troll farms or hosting illegal material, the map of Lemmy instances is still kind of a single amorphous blob, with nearly all connected instances being just 1 connection away from their blocked instances. These can't be defined as isolated instance-clusters. Lemmy.world users seem to always know what hexbear users are up to because of their federated neighbors, lol.
  
  Lemmy.world users seem to always know what hexbear users are up to because of their federated neighbors
  Nah, they think they know what hexbear users are up to because random folk make shit up and nobody calls them on it, because they're defederated.
- People usually don't see site wide bans on lemmy.ml in a very good light: https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
- Tribalism has always been a thing but seems to be having a big resurgence lately. i think when the state of the world makes people feel small they crave more validation from echo chambers.
- You would think so. But .world cannot help themselves from slinging their shit over the fence.
  Their mods remove posts critical of .world for "harassment" but gladly leave up blanket insults against instances more left wing than them.
  
  Btw to anybody who comes across this user is a .ml Tankie, so anything not a tankie is right-wing to them
  And Tankies = Authoritarian "communists" so basically, they're pro-CCP, pro-Russia/Putin and neither can do no wrong in their eyes or it's just CIA propaganda.
  Anything critical of either, no matter how factual, historical or deserving it is is swiftly removed under their favorite catch-all "Rule 1 bigotry" on .ml
  
  Lemmy.world seem to be more middle-of-the-road on many things while Lemmy.ml and Hexbear seem pretty intolerant to me
  I think it was on Lemmy.ml that I saw someone have their posts deleted allegedly for spreading US propaganda or some reason like that, when all they had said was that the war in Ukraine was started by Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 (I'm pretty sure this is factually true and Ukraine didn't invade any of Russia until 2024)
  
  Their mods remove posts critical of .world for “harassment” but gladly leave up blanket insults against instances more left wing than them.
  boy you have an entire conspiracy theory worked up already.
  wow
- I think communities similar to reddit and lemmy are doomed. The site was never the biggest issue, it was the people.

I've seen "hexbear" but have no idea what it is, so clearly it's not ruining anything for me.
- It's a Communist/Anarchist instance, Lemmy.world defederated from it before they had a chance to federate.
- Hexbear, grad and .ml are the Tankie Triad, .world defed's from Hex and grad because Hex is the worst, Grad is runner up. .ml tends to be more subtle about it and has largely avoided a more mass defederation movement like what happened with hex and grad
  
  Cal xi winnie and see how sublte .ml are :D
  
  .ml is not subtle, they just circlejerk within their sub a shit ton, rather than infesting other communities. Usually the idiots tend to congregate it seems.
- I think you are the target of this meme, sir/ma'am

This thread brought out a ton of tone police lol

Wait, what do you mean .World isn't Federated???
- With hexbear specifically
  
  Ah, thank you.
- Some people still aren't clear on the whole "federated" concept. But lack of understanding has never stopped anyone from posting opinions.

Hexbear is also just straight up dead rn, can't see their shit til they secure a new domain
- Hexbear can't federate but you can see their content at: https://chapo.chat/
  
  Lol

You're right, we should focus on Lemmy.ml instead.
- Please don’t
  
  Why?
- Their memes instance crashed and burned. Since then I don't see the big deal.
- I sure have lol
- Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
  In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
  This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
  This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click "Settings".
  At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says "Blocks".
  Here you will see "Block user" "Block community" and "Block instance". Click the down arrow below "Block instance".
  This will open up a search bar. Type "lemmy.ml" and click it after it shows up.
  That's it! You've blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don't need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
  But wait, we aren't done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under "Block user". Now type "UltraGiGaGigantic" Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
  
  Based
- They are not as extreme, but you cannot realistically have a civilized discussion on their servers. Unfortunately they are much more established with several big communities which are hesitant to move to more reasonable servers so while hexbear was an easy insta-ban for me and most other Lemmy users, we're stuck individually blocking ml users for now.
  But hopefully because of the idiotic choice of the ml domain, they will eventually go the way of hexbear.
  
  Wasn't the whole .ml domain an issue way back during the reddit migration too, cause its the domain for Mali? I remember it being an issue when I came over to Lemmy, which was back during that migration. When Reddit locked down its api and a bunch of redditors (me included) did a "blackout" to protest.
  
  They are not as extreme
  IMO they're just more subtle about it because they don't want a larger call for defed to happen, I'm sure they all have alts on Hex/Grad where they let out their..."restraints".
  They're very quick to deride .world as nothing but a "Reddit 2.0 CIA front propaganda machine" and yet won't defed from it themselves....
  
  I blocked the entire instance and I'm doing just fine.

Yeah, I have "All" filter turned on and I don't see any Hexbear posts. Now that I think about maybe that those who complain about Hexbear intentionally go there?
- You're on lemmy.world, which has been defederated from hexbear.net for ages. So yeah, somebody on your instance would have to go there so see their content, because your admin essentially blocked them for you. Anecdotally, I saw them on lemm.ee's All fairly frequently before I blocked them, and I still see their comments on posts on other instances fairly frequently.
  Plus, more recently hexbear has had to change domains and apparently because of this federation with hexbear isn't working at all for anybody at the moment

Aren't world the wokes/libs/whatever is the current pejorative
- Nah world is full of liberals but they get real uppity when you start going after liberalism from the left
  
  This is partly why I've chosen a different instance other than .world. I can control what is and isn't in my feed, and it's not like contemporary American centrist liberals have the best ideas when it comes to the current political landscape.
- Compared to the rest of Lemmy they're not very woke
  
  Well the auth instances hate their wokeness
- Apparently everyone's a "lib" when you're an authoritarian
  
  American republicans have less than zero political literacy, and you are going off their understanding of liberal. Here's a 300 page book going through what liberalism meant to every major liberal philosopher and how they dealt with the contradictions over the last 250 years or so. Guess which definition is used in any serious political work in the last 250 years?
- Nope, Tankie is very clearly defined as "Authoritarian Communists"
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
  Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
  
  Little too close for comfort huh
  
  You know how nazis always complain that people call them nazis and that it's losing any meaning?
  Yeah, same thing.
  
  liberal is the tankie version of screaming woke at everything.
  Source: you
  
  That's a dilemma, how to know if someone yelling everything they don't like is lib & woke is either a maga or a tankie
- They're the reddit users that think reddit 2024 is too left wing.
  They're the reddit users that believe the only thing wrong with reddit is too many ads.
  They're the reddit users that think voting is an effective measure in a captured kakistocracy.
  They're the reddit users that believe Biden is most left wing president in US history.
  In short, yes.
  
  They're the reddit users that think voting is all you can do to end fascism.
  They're the reddit users that think if you question authority you must love the other party's authority.
  They're the reddit users that think anything to the left of them must be ignored, and anything to the right of them is just misunderstood.
  .world has more insufferable people than any other community, it has the most spots on my blocklist. I'd block the entire thing if it didn't cripple my hobby communities and some of the few good ones from it.

That's why the folks really worried about tankies make alt accounts to go hunting for bad takes to share with the unfederated.

World is federated, just not with absolute junk instances.
- The point is that Lemmy.world defederated from Hexbear, so the complaints about Hexbear coming from Lemmy.world users frequently are based on second-hand information.

I got permabanned from Hexbear for simply denouncing ageism. Apparently not falling for the divisive labels they stick on every generation so they can blame each other is not tolerated.
- 90% of the time these assertions are BS, so evidence or it didn’t happen.
  
  scroll through my post history sorting by hexbear lmao

Lol, the pro China, pro putin folks who let pedo-Don win the election are woke?
- LOL genocide party supporter still coping with losing
  
  I'm now even american you idiot. I'm from one of the country your pedophile-president wants to annex lol.
  Palestine thank you for letting bilionaires-nazis take the power! Now they lost their land and an ethical genocide is on the way but you and your friends will soon get the chance to go get a bigmac in gaza!!!! How exiting for colonialist privilege white ass like you, writing from mom basement!!!!
- The only people who let Trump win the election are the democrats. We spent years telling them what they need to do to win, instead they chose to end covid protections, divert covid funds to the police, build Trump's wall, facilitate genocide, and other extremely unpopular policy.
  They knew these policies were unpopular among everyone who might vote democrat, they chose to do it anyway.
  
  You keep yelling at them to do what you want. But if you're such a formidable power to influence the elections, you could've done it already, in a way that was clearly presented to you.
  You didn't.
  That means that either you overestimate the number of people that think like you, or all of you don't know or care how to participate in democracy.
  Both of those options mean you know jack shit about what to do to win the elections, and can only yell on social media.
  That by the way says nothing about the validity of your claims, you could be morally correct and advocate for objectively good things, but if they aren't getting you in power, it doesn't matter.
- You really think a few thousand people on a website almost no one heard of is a serious cause of Donald Trump winning an election? You really lost the plot.
  American elections are predetermined and fixed during a process they follow called redistricting where they spend millions of dollars redrawing the lines of the voting districts to ensure the results they want. What people do or say about the elections have no effect on them.
  
  What I think is that your selfish privilege under-educated americans who are the stupidest people on the planet but believe to be the smartest. For the entire world, you and maga are exaclty the same stupid people, who are threatning the very survival of the specie. You chose a a nazi pedophile to own the libs, you will have the dictator you deserve, good luck lol.
- I mean, if bots are now claiming that putin is a POS dictator and that China doesn't care about human rights, then LET THERE BE BOTS!!

Imagine thinking hexbear is "woke". Literally just cosplaying Nazis.
- Hexbear is Communist/Anarchist, not fascist. They are quite "woke" if "woke" means supporting LGBTQ rights and ethnic minority rights. If you think Communism/Anarchism are fascist, then you might want to read Blackshirts and Reds.
  
  Yeah, lemmy.ml is the exact same situation, so your opinion is akin to Putin letting me know the Russians are really trustworthy.

Don't know what to tell you folks who keep constantly posting non-constructive conversations by just blaming everything on capitalism. No solutions other than offering communism, rioting, and constantly bitching. That gets old.
- No solutions other than offering a solution.
  You're literally using a communist platform right now. Owned and run by "the workers", and free to use.
  
  Ok, comrad.

In my view, horseshoe theory is pretty accurate
For example, people in the middle recognise that Ukraine was the victim of an invasion, but people on the far-right and far-left both insist that Russia is the real victim for some reason
Maybe it's because both the far-right and far-left envy the state power that Putin has?
- i think politics is more nuanced than can be described by a single dimension, curving it so you can tell yourself that "rational" is in the middle and that "crazy" lives at the ends is some Dunning Kreuger shit.
  
  You're putting things in quotes that I didn't say, which is REAL Dunning-Kruger shit.
- Horseshoe theory is just a holdout from the liberal notion of "3 pillars," Fascism, Communism, and Liberalism, as a way to justify Liberalism within the West. It doesn't actually make any sense and just leads to obfuscation of critical differences.
  
  Sure there will be more political positions than just three. I just think that some people (not all) on the far-left seem to have authoritarian and/or intolerant views, which some people on the far-right also have.
- I'm pretty far left, but i think ukraine was the victim of an invasion. Putin is a POS.
  
  Fair enough. I'm definitely not saying everyone on the left is the same as the far-right, I don't believe that at all.
  It just seems to me there's a segment of people who consider themselves on the far-left (posters from Lemmy.ml and Hexbear sometimes) who hold positions which can be quite similar to the far-right. Another position that both segments sometimes hold is that Israel shouldn't exist. I definitely disagree a lot with the current Israeli government but if someone says Israel shouldn't exist then you may as well say that no country should exist.
- Nearly everyone outside of the enlightened rational centrists has soured on this whole idea of "benevolent interventionism," with very good reason. We've seen how our leaders used lies and deception time and time again to get involved in pointless, destructive wars for their own interests. People look back at Iraq and Afghanistan, and Vietnam, etc, and say they were obviously unjustified, but at the time people supported them, and everyone was immersed in propaganda. Of course, in every war, those who push back for any reason are always accused of treason and supporting the other side, whether the specific term is pinko, terrorist sympathizer, or tankie.
  It's really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world under the same leadership and media that led us into Iraq and Afghanistan, the mystery is why liberals are so willing to trust them again.
  
  I'm not saying I support western intervention in Ukraine necessarily. I wish there was no war at all over there. I'm just saying that between Ukraine and Russia, Russia has been the aggressor. Also I've definitely seen some Lemmy leftists (but definitely not all leftists out there) who are in favour of Putin's regime, for unknown reasons.
  It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world
  You're basically proving my point by admitting that you do have a very similar view to the far-right.
- It just that with one dimension all you can measure is linear distance. Everything is a point on a line. Politics is a higher dimensional surface.
  Basically it's Flatland.
- It actually looks more like this
  
  Worth noting that neither axis is labeled, and that the graph itself doesn't make an effort to understand anything "tankies" support or denounce. It's just vibes-based analysis.
- It's not a horseshoe, it's merely authoritarianism
  
  I just think it's interesting that the people who get referred to as "tankies" claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Putin, a regime which is arguably fascist. I guess that's one reason why I think the far-left and far-right are pretty similar.
- IMO the conspiracy theory culture is to the point where some folks will believe anything but what is presented as mainstream truth. It's the "I'm smarter than that" mentality that started with right wing AM radio in the 80's. It's reached into all parts of the political spectrum
  
  Maybe reality is just too depressing so people invent narratives that they prefer.