instance wars

Lemmy.world is very liberal leaning and defederated from the Marxist aligned instances. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated and has Marxist mods and admins, and more leftist users in general.

That's it. Some users make it a fight.

There's currently about 600 lemmy instances, in many different countries, and those countries each have different laws regarding the protection of speech. Some of it is also just power-tripping mods or left-wing / right-wing censorship.

If this is happening to a community you like, you can always switch to the same community in a different instance. Eventually, the "official" community will have the most subscribers and the community with the censorship problems will wither and die.

Wasn't that Hexbear that banned dbzer0? Or was that also Lemmy.ml?

Is this one of those things where lemmy users "remember" things that happened to hexbear, or are you telling me that the dbzero admins also got themselves banned from .ml and dessalines also decided not to defed?

The propaganda recycling isn't great, but it's at the (VERY) least not any worse than reddit, facebook, or legacy media

What we need is a strongman to come along and tell everyone what to do.

Real. I just want to shit on cars that I don’t like and glaze Porsche like a good boomer.

It attracts new blood. People need to be posting and commenting for a place to have a future.

Engagement is just "emotional involvement or commitment", it's not necessarily "corporate media framing". Capitalist platforms abuse this for profit (as they do with everything good), hopefully we can use it to create stronger communities.

Different type of engagement. Not “how lomg you view ads, click rate, view rate, etc” but just posting and commenting.

There's also this site, which gives you more options for filtering, but also seems to throw up errors pretty consistently in my experience.

https://defed.xyz/

In terms of figuring out which instances are cool with one another, this site is also quite useful. It's a web of trust model that a majority of major instances participate in.

It shows which instances endorse one another, with those instances obviously being federated. It also shows how instances choose to describe/tag themselves, which can give you a better understanding of their general vibe. And it also shows which instances are viewed with suspicion, as they are hesitated or censured by other instances.

@Martineski pinging you

Someone answered the comment above with a link, go check it out!

Pretty much the same for me. I've see many posts and comments complaining about those kinds of things from .ml and .world; but close to zero of the actual behaviour that people complain about.

The other day I was on all and ended up reading a comment chain and saw something like "Cuba is a democracy, and for proof just look at the official website of the central party."

I found it ridiculous to essentially say "Doug is a skilled electrician, for proof look at this note Doug wrote saying he's a skilled electrician."

This made me a dirty shitlib (I guess the instance I signed up on makes me a liberal). The reaction seemed intense so I checked and it was .ml, so I assume it's a rivalry thing.

You'll see me venting and shitting on eg conservatives but I don't go around calling people these things. You probably don't either. But clearly there are users categorizing us into labels and associating us with our instances regardless of merit.

Starting to really be able to sniff out the AI propaganda bots. It’s not just defending centrism— it’s the LENGTH of their responses.

They’re always a wall o’ text

I don't give a fuck. I know .ml and .world don't get along. I know that people disliked hexbear (they are pretty silent, dunno if they changed policies). I want everyone to be here.

I would bet money that you’re right.

Maybe we need a draft.

I just think it's neat.

Okay but in post A, people from B won’t chime in, and conversely for things posted to B.

I guess instance C can make posts where both people from A and B can chime in. So would people in instance A be able to talk to people in instance B in the instance C’s comment section? Cause A people don’t want to hear from B people.

So we would still see less active posts as interactions would go down.

How might one/I find an instance with very few de-federations? What are examples of such instances. Thanks, and, just as you say, peace.

That's because they feed off each other: the liberals throw lots of shit at the wall in the hopes of driving up their engagement from their large but inactive user base while the leftists engage on their own; this creates an environment where the tiny subset of the most active liberals are left alone w the leftists and theyre predisposed to hate tankies, hence the drama.

Aren’t liberals and leftists the same thing? Everyone seems to agree that capitalism is bad, the government should provide more social services, our democratic leaders suck (but we should vote for them anyway because republicans are worse), etc.

Honestly Lemmy seems more like a circlejerk than a divide, the only divide I see is how far we need to go to fix/destroy the system. I don’t think I’ve seen a single conservative voice, which is pretty surprising considering Trump apparently won the popular vote, and I’d expect I’d at least see someone from the other side.