7mo ago

Anti-NATO protest in Montreal erupts in fires, smashed windows

toronto.citynews.ca

Anti-NATO protesters gathered again in Montreal on Saturday to demand Canada withdraw from the alliance, a day after a demonstration organized by different groups resulted in arrests, burned cars and shattered windows.

the purpose of the protest was to demonstrate against what he called NATO’s “complicity with Israel’s military while it’s conducting its genocide in Gaza, … war crimes in Lebanon, Syria” and that “it’s enforcing illegal occupation of Palestinian territories.”

However, Allard rejected accusations of antisemitism. He said the protests were against the actions of the state of Israel and not Jewish people, adding that earlier this week the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

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WTF does NATO have anything to do with Israel or Palestine?!
WTF would leaving NATO have any effect on Israel or Palestine?!
WTF are these people even on about?
NATO’s “complicity with Israel’s military while it’s conducting its genocide in Gaza
NATO isn't helping Israel... (while some NATO members might be, that's not NATO)
It's not NATO's job to get involved with with Israel or Palestine...
- Russian propaganda had its way to them
- The idea is to dethrone the US from global power because people are sick of us having our boot on their necks.
  But the alternative is China wearing the boot and they've proven they would kill every non Han in the world
  
  Idk why you're being downvoted, you gave a pretty fair description of the situation. Even the Han bit, China doesn't have any anti-discrimination laws and they're more than 90% Han Chinese.
  
  But the alternative is China wearing the boot and they’ve proven they would kill every non Han in the world
  While I hope we can get our shit together in Europe to form a strong alliance that does not depend on the totalitarian US come next year, I'd say that 1) your statement is ragebait bullshit and 2) killing the non-whatever-ethnicity seems very similar to the Gravy Seals policy of the orange fat fuck and his MAGA dipshits.
- and who could that be, I wonder... hmmm... /s
  PS: I kind of despise NATO, but I see the necessity versus the current Putler regime - thanks to Putler being fucking stupid enough to overreach and become the unquestionable aggressor in Europe.
- In the last UK election, an old-school tankie named George Galloway ran a party. One of his candidates, a former professional cricketer IIRC, called for the UK to pull out of NATO to better control immigration. To his credit, he withdrew his candidacy and dropped out of politics a week later once it became apparent how far out of his depth he was.
- Newsflash: people are generally fucking dumb and have ever only the vaguest idea of what they are talking about.
- https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218165.htm
  https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-backs-israel-and-warns-iran-to-stay-away-gaza-hamas-netanyah/
  There is a very good reason the Irish care about Neutrality. The Montrealites are not so different.
  Edit: Thank you Chairman Meow for telling me about this: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-blocks-nato-israel-cooperation-over-gaza-war-sources-say-2024-08-01/
  
  07 Sep. 2023 18:25
  OCTOBER 12, 2023 7:09 PM CET
  LOL you really thought nobody was going to check the dates on those articles? Hmm, I wonder if anything happened in Palestine since last October.
Those young people are being manipulated by Russia! We need NATO.
- Organizers and people arrested should be put on a plane and given a tour through Ukraines east.. to see with their own eyes. Too many people seem to be unaware why a counterforce to Russia was created in the first place.
  Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
  
  Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
  I don't know why you say this. NATO has been supporting Israel, not Palestine
- NATO doesn't.
  Some of its members do. These are not the same things.
- Europe need it not Canada and it should be 100% run by Europe
  
  Because Canada has no reason to be concerned about Russian aggression? Isn't literally right next door to them? Doesn't regularly intercept russian incursions into Canadian airspace? Has nothing to be concerned about regarding the NW passage and Arctic expansion?
  Straight up Russian propaganda you're selling here.
  
  Sure, Ivan.
  
  Because Russia has zero ambitions to conquer the arctics?
  
  Tankie
Yeah, I'm sure Canada not being allied with a bunch of other naval powers would be a lot better for the residents of Монреаль in the long run.
- It is weird that there are these protest groups wearing particular scarves that always seem to be acting in the interest of Russia.
- Honest question: has the USSR or Russia ever attempted to invade Canada? I only know that Canada had sent military around 1917 to fight against communism (well, what is called this way) but I don't know much more on the topic.
  
  No. But then Chamberlain thought Hitler would stop with central Europe.
  
  Honest question: has the USA or NATO ever attempted to invade the USSR or Russia?
  
  Russia does not recognize our borders in the Arctic. They have rival claims to the Arctic Ocean
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/russia-arctic-ocean-canada-united-nations-continental-shelf-1.5983289
  
  No, Ruzzia in any of its forms has not tried to invade us, to the best of my knowledge
Russia sponsored protest gets reported by local news, after the break.
They could have protested against the involvement of Canada in the war (is there any?), against Israel, in favor of a Palestine state…
Looks like Russia is bout wasting time and once again uses their distinguishers network.
Remember trucker blockages of supply routes they did right before the full invasion?
Glad to see all the genocide sympathizers are out here in force, playing apologist for Russia.
- I can't believe you talk shit this stupid for free.
Tankies be tankin’
Vlad's tentacles slithering into Canada.
Disappointed that this happened at all, but the fact that it was only 80 people is a plus. Seems like it's just a small group of terminally online agitators.
NATO isn’t the problem, support to Israel is.
An how many of them actually have the first clue why they're asking for that?
Expert level challenge: hit a bong every time someone blames the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on some party who isn't even fucking involved...
God forbid we ever acknowledge the basic truth that the two most culpable parties responsible for the ~80 years of war are, unsurprisingly to many, Israel and Palestine for empowering the worst possible political leaders on both sides. Netanyahu and Hams got the violence and anger that they always wanted and have been working towards for most of our lives, and somehow that's NATO's fault in the peabrain's shallow mind.
NATO is the main thing keeping the western world and democratic ideology safe from countries like Russia, Iran and China. Is this another thing we're gonna throw under the bus for no reason other than some vague, nonsensical whining about Gaza?
- Nah. The US has blood all over it's hands Re Gaza. Agreed that blaming NATO is nonsense
80 protesters is all Putin could afford, eh?
Send them to fight in Ukraine. Let them pick a side too.
When they ask why, tell them this is what would happen if there was no NATO. They would be drafted into the war. Just like in WW2.
- Oh, I think we all know which side they would fight if given the choice. They would twerk for 'Daddy Vladi'.
  
  The problem would sort itself out pretty quickly then. Tankies are what you would refer to as полезные дураки, or useful idiots. If Putin doesn’t care about sending full blooded Russians to die in meat grinder assaults against fortified positions, then he sure as hell wouldn’t give a shit about a bunch of western groupies who want to cosplay the USSR. Most of the idiots on Lemmy.ml and Hexbear wouldn’t last more than a week, I would wager.
I'd prefer people who know nothing about quantum mechanics argue whether or not there should be multiple dimensions.
You can be against Putin AND against NATO.
- NATO is still a bad organization.
  How so?
  
  I get why in this momement where Ukraine appears to be dependent on NATO support, and where it seems like NATO is required to counterbalence Russia, why people would support the existence of it. But, it is absolutely a tool of US global hegemonic power. The US has committed some incredibly horrific acts to secure its position as sole global super power and NATO as a tool to develop and maintain that power has been used to that end, and will continue to be used in that way. We should not confuse tools of imperial power projection to be a good thing.
  
  Will you tell us what good NATO has done? I took time to reply to you.
  
  It's a military and imperialist organization lol. I'll give you a detailled reply but will also return the question: what good had NATO done exaclty?
  From my Canadian perspective, NATO pressures Canada to increase military spending to 2% of GDP. Meanwhile we are in the middle of the biggest housing crisis of the past 50 years, but our (most probably) next prime minister will inject billions in the army.
  NATO has supported Israel intervention on multiple occasion. Although they have timidly requested a ceasefire, they continue the official discourse on “the right to defend oneself”.
  NATO has embarked on numerous interventions over the past 30 years, notably the "war against terrorism” and wars in Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... All with great results /s
  NATO isn't doing shit for Ukraine.
  Your turn!
NATO needs to be abolished. They are nothing but the European arm of US imperialism
- Even if you are anti-NATO, you must appreciate that NATO stops Turkey from going to war with Cyprus and Greece. Just one example.
  
  As an uninformed person, I would like to know more about this.
We need more of this energy
- No we don't
- Its important for countries to work together. Could we do better? absolutely but things are worse off when we try to go it on our own, I don't understand the point of all this isolationism.
  
  Sure but maybe we could have an organization that doesn't support Genocide and imperialism like NATO

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