Because god forbid North America have affordable EVs.
- The bigger issue is the bottom of the barrel prices making domestic competition impossible.
  
  Sounds like a good reason to nationalize the car industry and not worry about making a profit.
  
  Domestic competitors aren't producing affordable vehicles. They are producing oversize, overweight, overcomplicated, overpriced crap.
  They aren't competitive primarily because they are focused on a low-volume, high-margin luxury market, and avoiding the high-volume, low-margin utilitarian market. It is their abandonment of that market that provided China with the opportunity to corner it.
  
  Lmao no. That is not the bigger issue compared to literally continuing to poison the planet with fossil fuels.
  That's North American governments' stated reason for imposing the tariffs, but that could also be addressed by matching industry subsidies. But I think government understands that the North American auto-makers are intentionally sabotaging the EV market and subsidies likely wouldn't produce a vastly different result.
  
  If the Chinese government wants to subsidize my next car, fucking let them.
- I would love it but I don't think the economy could handle the 100,000s of jobs that would be lost. The big 3 can't compete and China charges a similar tariff on our vehicle exports. Only theirs isn't a single fee. They charge a tariff, plus additional taxes and fees, the price can double by purchase depending on the vehicle. China can always start making them here and get around it.
  
  If they nationalized the auto industry, why would jobs be lost?
- We do have affordable EVs. Go look at the used market or a new Leaf. PHEVs are plentiful too. This is about preventing China from putting everyone out of business because the Chinese government has deeper pockets than any of the global auto manufacturers that would be affected by this.
  
  Europe seems to be way ahead... Why can't US actually make affordable cars that actually work and have some modern features? Meanwhile all EU brands have actual entry model.
  
  China is prioritizing ev production and subsidizing it. If the US wanted to protect their industry they could electrify their infrastructure and subsidize their EV market instead of pushing tariffs on Chinese goods.
  I swear to God, Americans are so propagandized they'd chop off their own foot if it had a "made in china" sticker on it.
  
  I would not buy a used Leaf. The batteries on those are short on life, especially on models that don't have an active thermal management system.

The environment will always come second to the interests of organized capital I suppose.
- Somehow I doubt the Chinese mining and manufacturing is environmentally friendly.
  
  Transitioning to EV's is still good for the environment in the long run. It's not like getting gas and coal is environmentally friendly. China didn't cause the Enron scandals, BP oil spill, the pipeline shenanigans, etc.
  
  Nor is building cars in China and shipping them across an ocean and half a continent.
  
  Show me a lithium mine that is. Less oil is consumed when a consumer switches to EVs
- What's environmentally friendly about buying a new car?
  
  That's disingenuous. These are not tariffs on all cars.
  
  Is this stopping people from buying a new car? Or would they just buy a car from somewhere else?

I'm always impressed how capitalists love markets until other people get good at it

China wants to subsidize the transition to EVs in N America. N. America would rather tax their own citizens and risk inflation to protect the profits of capitalists.
And don't fucking dare tell me this is about jobs. Because if we were on better terms with China, the capitalists would move the factory there.
- China wants to subsidize the transition to EVs in N America.
  No they don't, they want to dominate the next generation of the global automotive industry and their plan involves killing all of the competition in both North America and Europe. It is literally impossible for western auto manufacture to compete because of the pay, worker safety, and environmental regulations that they have to comply with.
  If China gets its way every place in North America and Europe that used to have auto manufacturing will look like Detroit.
  And don’t fucking dare tell me this is about jobs. Because if we were on better terms with China, the capitalists would move the factory there.
  You are attempting to use an argument that is objectively incorrect based on empirical evidence. Auto manufacturers could have moved production decades ago when relations were friendly but they mostly didn't. The vehicles they built in China were for the Chinese market. The vehicles they built in Europe were for the European market, and the vehicles they built in North America were for the North American market.
  
  The US could subsidize their own ev production if they really cared about their automotive industry.
  Consumers want EVs but us auto manufacturers (and us govt) aren't interested in making them cheaply
  
  If China gets its way every place in North America and Europe that used to have auto manufacturing will look like Detroit.
  How did Detroit end up looking like Detroit, was that China too? A big portion of auto manufacturing for American vehicles is already outsourced to places like Mexico anyway.
- Well, China can move the manufacturing here. Ez.
- No it isn't or domestic EVs would be slapped with extra fees and taxes too.

The free market in a nutshell.

5$ on the US meddling again with other countries' policies to protect their capitalist interests...

The little dog following in the footsteps of the big dog. How cute.
- Big dog is apparently not the biggest dog if this is necessary.

This does not seem like a good idea to be honest

Even at 100 percent tarrif, I wonder if they will still be cheaper than ours.
- Most likely. A we must have lane assist, spyware, and the ability to lock you out if you don't pay on time (just wait for it)

So helpful...

What is the build quality on these Chinese EVs like?
The Chinese ICE brands like great wall are just terrible.

moot point iirc, considering the economic strategy in China is that the gov pays the tariffs.
- Tariffs are paid by the importers, normally. The final cost to the consumer is then raised by an equivalent amount to offset the tariffs and make a profit.
  I'm not sure why anyone else would pay tariffs. Either way, the cost goes up and the government rakes in some money.
- How is that moot? For that to work it would mean that for every Chinese auto sale the Chinese government not only subsidizes manufacturing but also has to give another 100% of the sale cost to the Canadian government.

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