Should we defederate hexbear?
Say “aye” or yes" if you are in favour defederation.
Say “nay” or “no” if you are against defederation.
Only users who have a sh.itjust.works account can vote. Fresh accounts won't be counted.
Aye. If I want to see their content I can read it on a hexbear amount. They just flood my feed with memes and only barely tangentially related comments that are trying to bait people into saying something that they think gives them the high ground. They're like the arch Linux users of identity politics.
It's funny how the faux-leftists accuse us of hating idpol and the more open reactionaries accuse us of being monolithically concerned with it.
I don't think you're monolithic at all honestly. The the fact is, hexbear isn't a hivemind, is a lot of different people. There's just a very vocal minority that makes your instance look bad.
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I knew that the toxicity of reddit was affecting me, but I didn't realize just how much until the move to Lemmy back in June. Everything was just so nice, people just happily chatted in comments, most disagreements were talked through or an "agree to disagree" arrangement was reached. Seeing the rude, angry people and the trolls creep back in was so disappointing (though I do realize it's inevitable. I used to mod forums back in the day.) Having a good chunk of those negative types on one instances is a positive thing, though. With the tools at hand, we can nip it in the bud by just blocking the lot of them.
Something I think people forget in all these many posts about blocking instances is that blocking is not a permanent thing. The mods aren't hitting the big red button and nuking the instance from existence forever. It can be undone. Times change, people change, forums/subreddits/instances change as they age. If it looks like things may have improved in a blocked instance, the ban can be lifted.
Thank you for the read!
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They're obviously here just to troll and brigade. The offer nothing of value, while making this instance more annoying.
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I was going to vote against it on principle, but I'm just really tired of their shit.
Aye. They're more or less another Exploding Heads: an echo chamber with a potent and very precise set of opinions which they smear all over any wall they can find.
Ah yes, the fascists and the antifascists are exactly the same. You can tell we're exactly like nazis because of how much we hate racism, homophobia, and all other forms of bigotry!
Tbf you guys do the r/conservative thing of banning dissenting opinions in your own spaces while making dissenting opinions/attacks 100% of your personality in others spaces. It's hypocrisy.
Also calling everyone a bigot doesn't help fight nazis, it helps nazis blend in with normal people by creating a huge club of people branded 'bigots' by your movement
I voted against defederation fwiw but my opinion is rapidly changing as I see how you conduct yourselves
Ayup, there it is: you've completely missed what I actually said, which is a commentary on the manner in which Hexbear users comport themselves, and jumped directly to the exact same copy-paste talking points. Thanks, mate, you couldn't have made my point better if you'd tried.
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As much as it's funny watching tankies whataboutism and fake outrage, it gets to be too much with their spam taking up most of the oxygen in the room.
Hexbear behaves like the average /b/ /r9k/ /pol/ user
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Check back when we can whitelist individual members who have proven their ability to post in good faith on other instances. Or in ten years to see if Hexbear's culture isn't toxic anymore.
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I'm just sitting here on Kbin wondering what the hell is happening, and eating a cookie.
Anyone else want a cookie? They're peanut butter chocolate chip!
Edit: oh ok I read about whats happening. Wow. What a mess. You guys seem to hate eachother with a passion so I feel like defederating is the only way to keep things from being a constant flame war. Though I will say I definitely lean towards the "hexbear is a little batshit" side of the argument lol.
I’d also like a cookie while I also wander out from Kbin to read about what’s happening.
Edit: I don’t see it. Suggesting defederation of an entire instance seems extreme. I’m genuinely curious what am I missing?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/4188546
One of several spicy threads in the SJW main community right now. I'm not actually sure how to link that properly.
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Aye. The trolling and brigading needs to stop.
Hexbear users remind me of the lulzsec days. They used to think they were special but really they were just fucking annoying.
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not sure if my vote is counted since I made the thread
Nay (for now)
I like messing with hexbear users, they have no idea how anything works, they can't downvote, they're easy to ban, and they are so damn fun to troll. Buuut they are also very annoying, so I can totally understand the yes.
I block them mostly. They are easy to troll though because they spend most of their time reposting the same memes in their echo chamber. It's like they're all people too young to experience /b/ in the 2000s.
Just mention something like "human rights" and see what happens.
The heyday of /b/ (with the caveat that /b/ was never good) was 16 years ago now.
If we assume Hexbear is made up of Gen Z who are in their early 20s, they would've been ~4 years old. Hell, even the oldest Gen Z would've been ~10. Not exactly the prime age for /b/.
My guess is that Hexbear is a mix of Gen Z who never experienced the peak days of 4chan (and thus never got the edginess out of their system), plus Gen Alpha who are young and stupid.
A lot of Hexbear has their heart in the right place. It's just their minds are fucking crazy. Like, you can't support fascism and genocide just because "America bad".
Yes, America bad.
Yes, America institutionally bad.
Yes, America not fixable for at least a decade (or longer).
But that doesn't mean it's time to blindly support China and Russia. Especially when both countries are blatantly anti-LGBTQ. China shut down an LGBTQ center amidst a larger crackdown on LGBT rights; Russia is... Russia.
Or mention something like Xinjiang.
The Memmy app lets me block the instance itself but not the users. So I don’t see any of the spam from their communities in my feed but their comments still show up. Super easy to just ignore though. 🤷
I like messing with hexbear users
And you call us the trolls lmao. Please just defederate already we lose nothing from not seeing your racist bullshit.
damn dude, replying to all my comments now. let's keep it chill and reduce it to just the one thread.
this guy seems exhausting and narcissistic
they have no idea how anything works, they can't downvote, they're easy to ban, and they are so damn fun to troll.
ironically enough, this was a large portion of the reason why we federated with you - fascists like you haven't read a book or essay since high school and so fucking easy to dunk on, so we wanted to have some fun with you. it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel, you make it too straightforward.
unfortunately the only line you can say is "buuuhhhh Xinjiang Xi Jinping genocide?!?!!" so there's no real constructive discussion happening anywhere here, we can write pages and pages of well-referenced prose in response and all we'll get is "
How's the weather in Beijing, Chinese bot?" so it's like, what are we even doing anymore.but, despite that fact, I vote Nay, because dunking on you is extremely entertaining and a learning experience for everybody
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Aye, theyre spam is fucking annoying. Also the brigading is getting old.
It’s not brigading when we’re just terminally online and there’s a relatively low volume of posts. Crazy that the leftists are the ones most invested in a decentralized user controlled internet. Who would have thunk.
Aye. Trolls and assholes that only generate negativity.
sorry, your vote's not counted pal! only SJW users!
Oops, didn't look at the instance.
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Can someone please explain to me what is wrong with them? Generally curious.
you can get a taste of where they come from (wrt trump at least) in this thread, and if you ask them in good faith about their positions the majority of the users will respond in good faith in kind
Takeaways from the most popular posts:
Overwhelmingly they're calling to kill Trump, but isn't that literally just a LARP? This is never going to happen in real life. Once you wade through the execution fetish fantasy and step back into reality, they ever so slightly favor Trump over any other presidential candidate.
hahaha just check the replies to your comment.
We're communists who are very hostile toward racism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, and other such bigotry. The users of this instance are by and large racist homophobic ableist liberals so they hate us. It's not hard to understand.
Who are some of these users? I've been quite active and I'd love to see who these bigotted users are.
We're communists who are very hostile toward racism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, and other such bigotry.
Lol no you aren't. Trump is especially racist, ableist, and bigoted, and he's the reason RvW was overturned and SCOTUS can strip away minority rights, but according to "you communists" he's a funny big old goofy guy who isn't any worse than anyone else.
Of course it's because Trump is friendly towards Russia. You're fine with any level of bigotry if you think it helps your political agenda.
You can't be woke while supporting Lenin, Stalin, or any other leader of Russia, ever.
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aye, I don't really care whatever politics bullshit they have going on there
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Aye aye caption!
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Yes please
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Aye aye aye, blocked em already in my app.
Hexbearian here, please defederate, thank you
Fuck off, genocide apologist.
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Yes. I just made an account on lemmy.world for the sole purpose of avoiding them.
It'd be nice to not have to leave my main instance
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Toxic sludge.
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I do not comment much but Yes ! They have been nothing but trouble sense they showed up !
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I blocked them myself in connect for Lemmy.
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My beliefs aren"t so fragile that they're threatened by opposing viewpoints, even those that may not be put forth in good faith.
And I can simply block (the relatively small (?) proportion of) users that don't engage in good faith.
Hexbear user Detected.
Their acct is three months old
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Really? I've found it the opposite.
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I cast my yes vote in another comment to avoid issues with counting votes, but... are the results of this consequential in any way? shitjustworks admins have already stated they don't really care. will they abide by the results of this, or will it they just release another "we hear you but too bad" statement?
Nay.
Provided the moderators on sh.itjust.works feel capable of dealing with any outright hate speech or harassment from that community, I think most of us are big enough people we can deal with hearing differing view points. If someone has a big enough problem with a single user or community, there is always a user-side block as well. My only reservation would be if the degree of spam/harassment is over taxing our community moderators. I recall how many of us in sh.itjust.works were offended when Beehaw defederated us -- for the same sort of reasons (too much spam, too much harassment, the wrong kind of people, etc etc etc).
what hate speech?
Either the mods are handling it well or...
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Isn't it funny how this poll was started by the person who moderates the community with the racist banner? Apparently their opinion counts for something over here 🤔
those damn Chinese citizens making racist memes of themselves!
(for those unaware, Xi Jinping as Winnie the Pooh originated from Chinese citizens making fun of their government)
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1 vote to defederate.
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Yes you should. This instance should not have been federated at all and I regret having voted in favor. You're a bunch of racist fucks.
Racist because of one parody image of Xi the Pooh that was clearly not even aimed at Asians in general? Jesus you guys are a bunch of snowflakes. And that's coming from an Asian/Taiwanese myself. We don't need your self imposed superiority to feel sorry for us. We know what's racist and what's not. Thank you.
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No. But I hope users get the ability to block instances they don't like.
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Please silo yourselves.
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The main issue is that they aggressively defend countries like Russia, China, and North Korea. The simplified reason for this is that they are communist countries that, they claim, are oppressed by sanctions and misrepresented by the west.
They also really like whataboutisms.
It's sad because most former redditors might actually agree with a lot of their leftist beliefs, but hexbear users seem to be very stuck on supporting and making excuses for fascist regimes.
I now brace myself for a flood of downvotes and replies. I beg of you, please keep the whataboutamerica replies to a minimum. I already know and agree that america does bad things too.
The real thing wrong with Hexbear is that their favorite sports are brigading, trolling, and namecalling. As you'd expect from that list they are also pro-authoritarian.
They are hardcore defenders of fascist countries like Russia and China. They also deny the ongoing genocide of Uyghers.
Sometimes they say the darnedest things
I've also found if you push back, even in the most circlejerky of threads, they get kinda mad and call you names
I don't have an opinion on defederation.
we are aggressively uncivil to bigots of all stripes and hold generally far-left political opinions
we also have one of the more active instances on lemmy so we can end up drowning out regular instances' traffic when stuff shows up in our feeds
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yes, i vote you run away because youre scared.
Gonzalo Lira? How are you able to use Lemmy from a Ukrainian prison?
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Defederate. Y'all racist as fuck.
still have yet to see any
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Nay I like them they're very handsome guys and funny
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how's that whole death to america going? annnnyday now....
Nay, I don't really see any problem woth their content or posts. Not that I agree with what they say and some of their communities, but for example their games community has interesting content.
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But if better moderation tools don‘t come into existence, we should reconsider.
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they are all very cringe but not worth defederation
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you do know that bugs bunny is making fun of stalin, right?
This looks like making fun of Stalin to you? Why? You think scaring cartoon Hitler away means he's a bad guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoYgWSYXhXs
Investigate before you speak
Otherwise you will only speak nonsense
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I don't think they've been rule-breaking, I just think they're generally a bit heavy-handed with rhetoric / annoying
thank you wheegee.
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aye, their posting power is simply too great
I'm probably going to personally. But as a site, I haven't seen enough to wasn't to do that.
Again, limited info to go on.
But no.
Until I see reason to change that. They are a confusing bunch though.
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You know this is not the way it works here, so this is trolling. Open a voting ticket by starting a discussion thread, perhaps?
aye, get the fuck away from us you miserable bigoted assholes
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Individual sh.itjust.works users can block instances and communities, and mods can ban hexbear users that break community rules. I'm not convinced that defederation is needed (yet), but open to being proven otherwise.
There is non instance blocking except for certain apps.
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Isolate them and they'll only get worse and their issues will seethe into everything, let them join the wider world and the edgy ones amoung them will get bored.
Yes, SJW is for concentrated Reddit Brains only and anyone who doesn't "Bazinga" the dumbest shit ever and/or has ever read a book in it that didn't contain magic or dragons is going to destroy that wonderful sense of hyper-Reddit culture and "intellectualism" that I need to feel like I'm in a group of my peers. Most of us are here because we're too big of losers for even Reddit and only came here because our favorite apps were removed that made it harder to manage my 4 "throwaway" accounts because even with complete anonymity I'm still (rightfully) ashamed to be know as myself.
“Bazinga”
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Nay, for now. I have to believe open discussion is good and healthy for the larger ecosystem. I support blocking individual offenders and communities as needed, and perhaps the instance should revisit this question after 30 days minimum.
I mean, who would be left to debate politics with? People who agree with me?
Yeah fuck those guys, theyre liberals
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Your only posts (two) are defending hexbear.
Tbf, their account is more than a month old
Aye. Hexbear is never going to stop being uncivil to bigots.
That's good! But your definition of bigot is anyone who isn't you.
Aye y'all are transphobes that need reeducation
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How very hexbear of you to generalize and slander.
Hey all,
I will be locking this voting thread as they do not conform to the Agora guidelines.
In addition, it appears that hexbear has reversed their decision and has removed us from their allowed list.
As Lemmy looks to add the ability for users to decide which instances they want to blocked on a per user basis, I hope these types of defederation conversations discussion become less common.
I'd like to give a thanks to the admin at hexbear carc0sa who reached out to us in the last week in order to coordinate some mutual moderation between instances.
Lastly over the last week I've read a lot of back and forth between instances and want to leave you with this.
As people we all have the right to our own opinions and beliefs. Sometimes from time to time we might come across someone who doesn't share these same opinions or beliefs. Instead of using these differences as reasons to divide us, I hope we as people can get to a point where we can use it to make us more understanding, knowledgeable, accepting and united.
As things such as Natural Disasters continue to rise globally there might be a day where the person who you disagree with is the same person who is helping you or a loved one. It won't matter if they are a leftist, rightist, white, black, LGBTQ. What will matter is whether they are a decent human being who understands that while opinions make differences they can choose to not be divide by it.
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I’m sensitive to racial issues but the way they go about discussing them devalues them in the same way that I used to devalue them, and reliving my mistakes in every comment section is killing me. Also, everything turns into twitch chat after they arrive.
Sorry to hear that
Rascist sad that they get called pit on their rascism
Former* racist sad to find people repeating their mistakes by getting swept into a group of “satirists” just doing “a little trolling.” I wish you expediency in finding your “former” in the future. Only you can do it, my race baiting friend.