but no t-shirts, so I guess it's there for you to do lol
(E: I just realised this might need clarifying - I don't mean put this person's art on t-shirts, but rather that there is very little "punch a nazi" graphic art out there, so you could take inspiration and make your own without stepping on any toes)
There's millions of examples of conservatives changing their stance on things. It's almost ALWAYS because it's suddenly affecting their personal lives. They never give a single ioata of care or compassion to other human beings until it is in their life and they have to confront it.
Long story short, no. Nazis cannot be shown compassion. See, the reason we've even gotten to this point is because Nazis have been allowed to encroach more and more into public life. The more tolerable it is to be a Nazi, the faster they will spread their propaganda and the larger their numbers will spread.
A white supremacist can quit the ideology nominally, but the harm they did can literally never be erased and I have absolutely no compassion for someone who ever thought it was acceptable to adopt ideologies like that about the rights of other people. I accept that some kind of redemption can exist for them, but I will never trust them to hold any office or even to be allowed to promulgate ideas within society.
The worldview of fascists is unfettered hatred for anything that doesn't adhere to their hierarchy. It is promoted by conspiracies and religious dogma. It is not a normal political ideology. It doesn't recruit by appealing to peoples opinions on policy or on the function of the government. It recruits by promoting subversive conspiracies about minorities. It recruits by appealing to bigotry and disgust that bigots already feel towards minorities.
You can not talk someone out of being indoctrinated into those things. It's not possible. Some will decide to listen, few will ever consider they might have been wrong, and the overwhelming majority won't even look at you. Someone trying to deradicalize them is just another part of the 'deep state' or the 'kabbal', etc. It's a random chance. Nazis can radicalize people in a deliberate way. We can not deradicalize Nazis in a deliberate way. Nazis should not be tolerated or accepted in any way by society. They should be ostracized and ejected from society in every sense. Being a Nazi should be illegal, just believing in or promoting the ideology itself. The very existence of fascist ideology is a slow and steady decline towards the end of any kind of democracy and mass death. Their ideology is poison.
The social contract says we all agree to not kill each other. If party A's fundamental stance is that it is ok to kill X group AND THIS IS TOLERATED then the social contract has been broken and party A has subjected themselves to the same rules they now apply to others.
This is not opinion. This is how it plays out in real life. If your stance is that my life is forefeight or disposable, then so is yours.
Just remember party A made this choice not their victims who choose to fight back.
This is why fascists insist there is no Holocaust. Because if they admitted it they would admit it's fair game on anyone who shares their ideology.
I can't tell if this is simply saying that you have the right to self-defense, which is obvious and agreed upon pretty much everywhere in the US, or whether it's saying that, since we've all agreed not to kill each other if those guys want to murder us then we have the right to murder them. If it's the later then either you don't understand irony or you don't really care about the 'social contract'.
It sometimes feels like folks on this community are looking forward to a cultural civil war just as much as the right-wing maga nuts.
Reminds me I need to keep offering to buy non-white people as many fucking guns as I fucking can. I would like to pretend the US might love the gun less if more non-white people were better armed.
I get that this is posted on the Antifascism community. But it seems more than a little bit bloodthirsty. And it feels to me like the folks in the comments calling out for hunting/murdering Nazis haven't really thought that policy through to its logical conclusion. Maybe some are just fantasizing or virtue signaling, but assuming enough are willing to pick up a rifle and pull the trigger where does that lead us? Who decides whether someone is a Nazi? Do they have to be wearing a swastika? Is it enough to just express your contempt for a group that's a US minority? How much contempt?
"That's easy, just shoot the ones with swastikas"
Okay, so you show up to a flag waving Nazi rally and start shooting. They probably start shooting back. The cops get involved and shoot everybody (well maybe they don't shoot some of the Nazis). Then what happens? Antifa gets officially labeled as a domestic terrorist organization. All the news outlets talk about how terrible the group is. The FBI starts looking into everyone subscribed to this community, etc.
"No, everyone knows Nazis are bad. We'd be supported not condemned."
Alright, suppose somehow it's a revolution and the left is rounding up Nazis and guillotining them with full support of cable news. At that point everyone says they aren't a Nazi. How do you decide? This one talks like a racist, that one lives in an all-white neighborhood, that one is rich. You're walking really close to the line of becoming fascists yourself. France went through a revolution like that about 150 years ago. There's a good article about it on the anarchist library website. I think the takeaway is that a reign of terror is still a reign of terror even if the 'good guys' are in charge.
How about, instead of bloody murder, we expunge the Nazis from the police forces, establish a more socially just system of regulations in the US, and make sure anybody who acts like a Nazi gets punished for it by the state? Don't you think that would be a more effective solution?
Plus, if you do advocate for police abolition rather than reform, don't come crying to me when one of your friends gets jumped by some skinheads and sent to the hospital for being trans.
Just want to say here that regardless of the political benefits that can be obtained with violence, I do think all lives matter including Nazis, and I think most people can be convinced of this if they can be shown how similar all our experiences are. It seems like once you realize that a Nazi is essentially a version of yourself with slightly different psychological pressures, you can realize that, as painful as it may be, they are human, and your desire for humans not to suffer extends to them. Realizing this doesn't preclude instrumental violence against them, but it can prevent the feeling of hatred.
Well, they're gonna kill a bunch of minorities before you can convince enough of them of that. It's not my job or minorities' jobs to make fash realize they're evil. Funny how people defend nazis' lives without putting into account all the damage they're causing to others who aren't them. Some people just don't want to admit it's past time to do some uncomfortable nazi-hurting.
You are right, sadly some are knowingly in it for the hatred and not because of a bad life or pressure.
Some are just racist and want to watch people suffer.
I have struggled with this fact myself because it's alien to me to hate someone, just because. Sadly I realize that a whole bunch of people on this earth will simply not change because they really want to be like this.
Nazi's murdered 12 million people. More than 6 million Jews slaughtered in concentration camps. The idea that anyone today in American politics is anything close to a Nazi is deeply offensive to any adults left in the room.
Are you saying that Nazi lives do matter when their ilk are actively purporting a christofascist take over of the strongest military power on the planet? :|
the groups that nazis target for extermination can't change who they are. they can't stop being black or gay or jewish or trans or whatever. but nazis can choose to stop being nazis. that's why their lives don't matter. they have made the choice to embrace fascism, an ideology that demands the death of nearly everyone on this planet. until and unless they change their beliefs, their deaths are necessary to protect the rest of us from them.
it is always morally correct to kill a nazi. every nazi killed is an innocent life saved.