PugJesus @ PugJesus @lemmy.world Posts 3,822Comments 7,685Joined 2 yr. ago
Happy to help! I'm terminally online af, so I see a lot of... all of the discourse, lmao.
This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.
Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t.
Not necessarily. Like how people who use 4chan regularly maintain the standards and behaviors even though 4chan isn't their only online community of choice. People take their norms with them, even when they leave home, sort of thing.
And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I mean, I agree this should be the case, my point is just that the bad reputation of an .ml home instance is not entirely unearned by the .ml community, regardless of the individual user.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I can't speak for .ee, but I would point out the same about .world, albeit phrased differently. .world absolutely has a reputation for being more moderate and less leftist than much of the Fediverse (though, again, I would emphasize that 'social democracy' is the standard, and that both North American and European right-wing and center-right parties are reviled, so it's definitely a question of relative political stances), and if you see someone espousing a "Capitalism isn't so bad 🥺" view, the chances of them coming from .world is probably better-than-average, insofar as the Fediverse is concerned. It would not be incorrect to make that connection - pattern recognition is useful.
Remember to treat people as individuals, yes, but when all the [Sportsball Team A] fans are out wearing plain red shirts from [Local Store] for their team, you are not wrong to scrutinize people who choose to wear plain red shirts from [Local Store] extra closely in that light, even if that isn't that individual's intent or leaning.
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren't welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it's not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don't think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I'd say a good 4/5s of the time, it's someone from .ml.
They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can't censor or ban you.
That's the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins' favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.
Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don't do that shit.
Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.
It's such a magical thing when a dog sees snow for the first time!
Fuck, I barely had the will to fight to begin with. Now I wonder why I wake up.
Fuck, are you saying I'm no different than the tankies and the fascists?
Oh, now they're free for US exploitation instead of Chinese exploitation. How wonderful. /s
Philly's a hard town.
I mean, not that I disagree that laws can be unjust or that law in this country has generally been unfair and unjust, but conservatives are uninterested in even unjust laws in-alignment with their values, or with order as an objective value.
Jim Crow laws did not cause conservatives, for example, to adhere to them - conservatives violated Jim Crow whenever they could, however they could, to their advantage, even while preaching the value of Jim Crow to society at-large. Even when there is calm in a society, conservatives do not hesitate to riot and form lynch mobs, even when their own preferred laws are in-place and look likely to punish the offender in the way that they believe the offender should be punished.
Conservatives care for nothing but hierarchy, and its abuse. They will never be allies of any law or rules, not even their own; and they will never be contributors to order, save insofar as it is imposed upon them.
JFK, blown away, what else do I have to say?
Please preserve democracy. Preserve civilization. Maybe someday, we here in the US will be able to cast off the fascist regime, limp back into the international order, hat in our hands, and ask the nations which preserved themselves to re-educate us in basic humanity.
Conservatives speak highly of law, because law implies fairness and legitimacy; but conservatives have no respect for rules or order, only for hierarchy.
It was so when the optimates wept over the violation of norms in Ancient Rome (but illegally murdered democratically-elected populists), it was so when medieval nobility pled legal order as to the reason why peasants had to stay in their place (even as they routinely violated the rights of their vassals), it was so when capitalist robber-barons demanded state support for suppressing strikers (but hired illegal thugs to murder strikers anyway on the unusual occasions when the government wasn't quite corrupt enough to back them), it was so when Chief fucking Thog claimed an extra 1/3 of the hunt's meat under 'traditional rules' in some prehistoric Alpine tribe, but forbade Huntsman Trog from his share because Trog looked at him funny.
It's so now.
Fuck.
Jesus fucking Christ. I didn't have this on my "Fascism speedrun Bingo" card, but here we fucking are.
The worst part about it, other than me suffering and dying, which is a bit of a downer, is that it's not even "CEO gets a new mega-yacht for marginal improvements in social efficiency". Like, me dying isn't dying for an on-average-superior system, it's me dying for a system that exists, at this point, just to make healthcare efficiency worse.
If it was "Emperor of Healthcare buys a 224th megayacht because the new triage system he ordered implemented saves 0.1% more people, but you, PugJesus, specifically, are going to die under this new system even though the 224th megayacht could pay for your lifetime treatment", I'd be pissed and terrified, but at least there's a POINT to it. But no, it's "We've found a way to cheat 67% more people out of getting healthcare! Here's a reward, Mr. CEO, for making society worse!"
Vegans poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague onto our houses!
