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Protests erupt in Argentina against President Javier Milei’s economic shock decree

argentinareports.com Protests erupt in Argentina against President Javier Milei’s economic shock decree - Argentina Reports

Buenos Aires, Argentina — Thousands took to the streets of Argentina in the past few days to protest a series of economic decrees proposed by President Javier Milei.  On December 20, Milei announced sweeping deregulations to Argentina’s economy, sparking backlash from opposition members and gro...

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- Nah it's not that it's libertarianism failing it's just that idiots version of it failing
  What they'll say when it fails or next time someone else tries to implement their ideals
  
  then immediately turn around and mock communists for saying something similar.
  
  But what will Lemmy communists say when you point out USSR and China?
  
  He just didn't libertarian hard enough.
  
  Nah it’s not that it’s libertarianism failing it’s just that idiots version of it failing
  That's what Communists always say, the only one they worship is Lenin cuz he didn't have time to do anything anyway.
  
  True libertarianism has never been tried bro
  
  It's been a while since I even bothered arguing with libertarians, but wouldn't they just point to Hong Kong and South Korea?
- I'm not a libertarian, I'm a social democrat.
  The last century has been a total and unmitigated disaster for Argentina. The two options Argentinians had in this election were:
  More of the same by the guy who oversaw inflation reaching 160% (100% chance of things getting worse)
  A total wild card (99.9% chance of things getting worse)
  Unsurprisingly, they went for the latter. I don't think anti-libertarians get to gloat in this context, given it's the Argentinian establishment which has overseen one of the most remarkable examples of total state-collapse and economic failure in modern history.
  
  This makes a lot of sense if you pretend he didn't say or promise anything during the campaign.
  
  The calculation shouldn't be "chance of things getting worse", but "expected value of how much worse it'll get".
  
  I don't actually know anything. But casually to me it looked like a choice between 160% chance of it getting worse and a 300% chance of getting worse. And it's not very surprising at all in these circumstances many go for the latter for all sorts of reasons (and delusions). But I don't actually know anything.
  
  More of the same by the guy who oversaw inflation reaching 160% (100% chance of things getting worse)
  A total wild card (99.9% chance of things getting much worse)
  FTFY
  
  Mate one dude was hearing voices and talks with his deceased dogs...how can you say "wild card" with a straight face?
  
  Oof, yeah that's not a good choice.
  
  That's bad math. Yes, if you put the same people in office. There's nearly 100% chance that they will continue doing what they have been doing. Good or bad. But if you put a lunatic with a grudge against reality in office. Who is aligned, or would align himself with the people who caused the problem before. You have 150% chance that things will get worse.
  
  Argentina could've just gone for a new currency again
- What's the previous case study?
  
  This is a good one: https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project
  The book is called, "A Libertarian Walks into a Bear."
  
  Look up Kansas Ave Oklahoma. It got so bad for them they had to cut school to 4 days per week and that was before the pandemic.
- Lol what policies? Everyone for themselves?
- Who is John Galt? Looks like we're about to find out.
  
  It's the key ideological problem with the book. Rand was right that people do not inherently owe anyone else the fruits of their labor, but wrong about who was holding the world on their shoulders. It wasn't the handful of elite, but the masses without whom the elite would be living in caves and running from bears.
  Who is John Galt? We the people are.
  And yes, throughout history pretty much every authoritarian regime ultimately collapses or sends their country back decades in progress by not knowing that lesson.
  Yet it never seems to actually be learned.
- They'll come out of the woods and start claiming he wasn't a true libertarian.
- New York cut their libraries so who's the real loser?
- After a century of Peronism, the current state of Argentina isn't a case study about libertarianism. Quite the opposite.
  
  Actually everything that's wrong with Argentina is because of British colonialism. You haven't read enough Foucault, clearly.

From everything I've heard about the election in Argentina, it was the meeting of "Anything is better than this" and "it can always get worse." The former won, and proved the latter correct.
- Argentina needs shock therapy to realize milei is a dumbass
  
  That's what I thought about the US and Trump, yet here we are...
  
  Kirchner and croneys did soooooo much damage and noone spoke up except milei
  Even if he is a moronic religious extremist, he's still RIGHT about many things.
  And the people just wanna get rid of NARCO DICTADORS OF THE LEFT KIND.
  All in all, extremism isn't good. It leads to dictators collaboration with drug lords and ruzzia/china
- No, the current policies are just getting reality and practice closer together.
  IRL their money was ALREADY devalued soooooo much, he didn't do anything to change that, just adjusted it to reality.
  Subsidies on imported oil is CRAZY for a bankrupt country. YOU GUYS HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT'S LIKE TO HAVE DECADES OF 100% OR MORE INFLATION PER YEAR.
- Perfect summary

Fuck around and find out. I'm so sorry for everyone who was duped by libertarians pretending they will do anything for regular people and not just the wealthy shareholders, everyone who was held back by economic sanctions in a war against 'muh socialism', and all those who saw the obvious coming but were dragged into it by the other rubes. This is going to suck. I hope the protests will work

- At some point, I risk a coup.

Oh joy. Skyrocketing rent combined with plummeting wages.
This isn't going to destroy their economy at all...
- That’s a right wing populist figure for you.

Can this guy step down yet?
- Yeah in 8 years!

Protests of FREE LOADING PROFITEERS, yeah.

My conservative dad won't stop harping on Venuzuela, I think he's about to get a taste of his own medicine.

They are chanting against the IMF... why?, I thought....
oh...
BUENOS AIRES, Dec 9 (Reuters) - A U.S. delegation gave its support to Argentine President-elect Javier Milei over talks with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and developing its lithium sector during a meeting in Buenos Aires on Saturday, a White House official told Reuters.
Juan Gonzalez, adviser to U.S. President Joe Biden and the National Security Council's Western Hemisphere senior director, said the talks, a day ahead of Milei's inauguration, were "very positive" and focused on the country's embattled economy.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-offers-argentinas-milei-support-imf-lithium-white-house-adviser-2023-12-10/
Ah yes! a moment of clarity. Carry on, then. As usual.

Just wait till the bears start showing up.
Libertarians never plan for the bears.
Enjoy Reverse Wolverine, Argentina!

Yeah these were not organic. Notice that they stopped after a week

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