It's just down the road.

I did do about 11h drive, from Reims to Nice; wouldn't do it twice :/

No way! i did a similar trip but from Paris to Nice. I actually kinda enjoyed it. But that's probably because i enjoy driving.

Honestly if it gets me out of fucking Indiana and doesn't dump me in a red state, I'll take it.

I can confirm I'm from Missouri. Though to be fair where I live the closest major city is more than a hour drive away. Excessive driving is just an unfortunate part of life in the Midwest shit hole.

The Midwest is so flat, it's basically gagging for some tracks all over it.
I imagine the main concern was if there's enough population to use it effectively but that's surely not an issue now.
I live in VA and the closest big city is an hour away.
Lived there, can confirm. Then I visited actual modern countries and they look at a distance like that and are baffled that there hasn't been built a high speed train already. Why would you drive 10 hours when you could sleep, read, or watch TV on a train for 6 hours instead?

Are these the same people that defined "nearby" for linkedin? Because I keep getting emails about openings "nearby". The daily commute may be 8hrs, but that's nearby, apparently

If you say you're willing to relocate it basically starts giving you job listings on the opposite side of the planet. Usually in a country where the national language doesn't even use the same alphabet.
Reminds me of researchers on the ISS getting "hot singles in your area" ads

Everything is driving distance and simultaneously, America is "too big" for high speed rail

High speed rail would make such a difference. If you tried to make the same trip as pictured with Amtrak, you'd probably be looking at double the travel time at least.
- 25 hours from what I can tell. And you can't take the full trip with Amtrak or at least they don't give an itinerary for it. You have to take a bus somewhere to hit the train.

Lonely train noises

In the us: zero passenger train noises

I'm not even American but I don't see anything extremely out of place here. A 12h drive is doable in one day with a couple of rests. Assuming you stay for 2-3 nights at your destination.

If you mean going back right after the game, then hell no.

Bingo. Especially if you have a group of 3-4 that help split fuel, it's immensely cheaper and arguably more fun. Plus, you're not restricted what you can bring with you, you can stop to eat wherever you like, and you already have personal transport when you arrive. But, like you said, it's really only worth it if you're staying a few days. If you're just going somewhere for a night and need to get back the next day, flight all the way.
- Road trips with friends make driving bearable. I'd never drive 12 hours alone (again) but I'd jump at the opportunity to do something like this...just not for sports
People tend to underestimate the scale of the US. The distance from (what appears to be) Oklahoma City to Cincinnati, is roughly the same distance as driving from Brussels to Warsaw.
- It's actually Oklahoma City to Indianapolis. Cincinnati is the dot directly to the right of the word, not the destination above it

I once drove that long to get to a convention.

Never. Again.

Just because you can drive for 12+ hours, doesn't mean you should. Next time I'm either planning two full days for that sort of driving, or taking a plane.

Sorry but I had an image in my head of you driving wearing a cosplay for more of twelve hours
- I mean je didn't say what kind so maybe he wore a furrsuit the whole way
- My father once flew me to a private Star Wars con in a small sports plane. Of course I had to wear my Emperor costume for the entire trip. But then again I did get greeted on the airfield with a purple carpet and a limousine blasting Force Commander's Imperial March remix.
- I once wore my costume home from an out-of-state larp. It was comfy, but I did get some stares while pumping gas.
Midwesterners don't just drive 12 hours for a weekend trip. 8 hours is the max for that
- Personally, i typically dont want to do any more than 5 hours for a weekend trip
My last convention was 20 minutes away, I was sooooo happyyyyy. I’m done commuting hours to go to cons. I’m too old.

Europeans : The Arsenal - Chelsea games are too far to drive between

And anyone who thinks otherwise clearly hasn't driven in London
If you want a game that's possibly within driving distance, you're looking at Liverpool v Everton
- maybe I should have put in spurs, since they're rivals.

TBF some of us like road trips.

I'm a Floridian that spent the last 20 years living in Europe now that I'm back to the states I'm making up for my lack of road trips in the last couple of decades.

This winter I was making the trip from VA to SW Michigan ~10-12 hours one way twice a month, now that my parents are back in MI I do it once a month.

If it was train trips, I think I’d really enjoy them, even if they were 1.5x as long. Legroom, card games with travel mates, traveling to the drinks car, etc.
- I get motion sick if I'm not in control and looking out front, so road trips with me driving are significantly more enjoyable than trains or flying.

I met someone from Kansas and they talked about how it wasn't so bad and that they still can vacation to see cool places.

Then they talked about their 12 hour road trips to Wisconsin and Southern Texas and it made me feel kinda sad for them!

Road trips beat commercial flights though imo

There is a certain minimum threshold before bothering to take a flight becomes viable, and that's if your flight is about 3 hours long or more. Otherwise you may as well drive if you can, because the amount of time you spend getting to the airport, getting fondled by the TSA, checking in, waiting to board, standing around in lines, waiting for your bags to show up, renting a car at your destination, etc. all adds up to be the same as just driving. It's not actually any faster to fly when it still takes all damn day.
And then you can bring all your knives or weed or liquid bottles more than two ounces or whatever it is you're into without getting thrown into Gitmo and when you arrive you already have your car (or motorcycle).
- Hard disagree, driving from Bilbao to Seville is like 8 hours, the flight is below 2. Accounting for airports and commutes, the plane method is still about 4h, that's half the time and you can sleep.
- I'm going to Montreal next month and we're driving because the flights from Columbus aren't that much faster.
I need to travel from the east coast to Denver and the only reason I’m flying is because work wouldn’t let me file a mileage expense for a couple thousand dollars.
- My wife works for the state and had to go from Columbus, OH to Detroit, MI for a professional conference. That's about a 3 hour car ride.
  She's not allowed to take a personal vehicle to go. State vehicles are not allowed to leave the state. She had to fly there. She said it was easily slower to fly when factoring in getting to the airport, checking bags, etc. than to drive.
If it takes 4 hours to drive, I rather take a plane
After 12 hours of driving a car you're exhausted and could've gotten in an accident
If the plane tickets were cheap enough, I wouldn't even think twice.
- If youre going on a full family trip, those tickets add up quickly. Not to mention if you're going to a place like the beach and youre bringing beach toys for the kids, it makes so much more financial sense to drive. In addition to just travel to get there, youre also looking at a car rental, some way to either bring car seats on the air plane (this sucks) or pay more money to rent them when you get there.
  I flew across the US with a 5 and 3 year old. It was fucking miserable. We also werent risking missing a connecting flight (because getting them to a hotel would have been an abomination) , so we made sure that we had plenty of time on our lay over. Spent a whole day to travel
The key is to split it into two or three days of driving.
One 12 hour stretch of driving is miserable, but I've taken a few days to drive to some remote destinations and when your goal is 4 hours for the day you don't feel any pressure to skip a detour to see something interesting, take a longer lunch or do an extra rest stop just to shake your legs. You just need to set your expectations that the drive is part of the trip and not just the preamble.

Tolls?!

Forget it.

Purposely looking for a place an hour away from any towns. Europeans would have an aneurism!

I'm getting a 46 hour drive if you wanted to do the same with the NHL hockey finals. Quite a trip across North America.

It's really incredible how easy HSR should be to build for most of the country and how completely hard it would fuck for so many people. Instead, we do unlimited airline shareholder subsidies and rebuild eight lane interstates every ten years

The family used to do trips of similar length seasonally to visit family in the Northeast and South depending.

Well there aren't any flights.

Ohioan here. I would absolutely never drive that.

"Possibility," in that you can get from one to the other before the next game starts, and even sleep a bit, sure.

"Legitimate," I dunno. Assuming the series goes to seven games, that is almost 3,000 miles to put on your car in a month. There's nothing "legitimate" about that.