Why does antique furniture usually have carved "feet"?
Why does antique furniture usually have carved "feet"?
Is it only ornamental? And why are they usually webbed feet (or at least they are in my experience)?
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To be fair the arts & crafts movement priced itself out of the mainstream.
***edit: why tf am I being downvoted for sharing objective fact about the Arts & Crafts movements at the turn of the century? While it transitioned into more of an upscale art in Britain, it did transition into more mainstream mission style in America, yet ultimately World War 1 ended the Arts & Crafts movement in both nations. Eff you turds for downvoting objective fact you anti-intellectual turds. I’m as progressive and anti-corporate as it gets, you undereducated morons.
***edit 2: the parent comment to mine from iamnotafish with 109 upvotes is unequivocally wrong. British/American society did have those problems in the mid-1800s. The Arts & Crafts movement directly intentionally arose as a humanistic pushback against that exact sort of corporate dehumanization.
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Eff you turds for downvoting objective fact you anti-intellectual turds. I’m as progressive and anti-corporate as it gets, you undereducated morons.
Lemmy can suck like that. If you post something that can be misconstrued outside of our tiny Overton window, you get downvotes. Lots and lots of downvotes.
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Turn off downvotes for yourself. Much better experience. I never know unless someone is rude then I block them.
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So here we have an example of a common .ml and others of the tankie triad technique. Come in, make a big fuss about something and the evils of capital society, then bail when they get pushback, in this case even deleting the account.
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***edit: why tf am I being downvoted for sharing objective fact about the Arts & Crafts movements at the turn of the century?
My guess is that it's because Arts & Crafts is a foundational form of modernism and is thus kinda the opposite, stylistically speaking, of carving ornate feet like OP pictured.
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I wouldn't say they priced themselves out, it's more that you can't economy-of-scale a small business in your living room. You can't beat Amazon at its own game.
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Did they? People want to spend $100 on a chair, but a nice carved and finished one by hand will take 20 hours to make and $50 in supplies.
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Yes and no. Part of the issue is that more people wanted more stuff cheaper. These items were expensive, and paying for a few more hours of work didn't substantially effect the price, so they did it. Now, that amount of added work would probably cost the same as the enitre item before it's done, so they don't do it.
When price becomes the primary component of shopping, items become cheaper and craft work becomes (as a ratio to the total cost) more expensive. It's not worth the effort unless you're paying thousands of dollars for it, which those items are still being made but we aren't the customers for them.
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Okay so there are layers to this question:
Why does antique furniture usually have carved feet?
First, antique furniture tends to be the fancy stuff for rich people. Modest furniture made out of a few boards for the unwashed masses usually isn't considered for preservation, but the fancy shit rich people bought got kept.
Rich people tend to like to show off how rich they are. And one way to do that up until fairly recently was through furniture. Maybe you use exotic wood, but even if you don't do that you pay a woodworker to waste his life carving useless intricate details like pineapple newel posts or ornate table legs.
The claw-clutching-a-ball design apparently comes from China, it's supposed to be a dragon's foot clutching a jewel. The British adopted it in the Queen Anne period because it's ornate, fancy and
foreignexotic. Rich people get to brag that they got their table, or a taste for the style, "during their travels." Ball-and-claw feet specificall would fall out of fashion with the Chippendale era though fancy schmancyness would hit an all time maximum, and then the industrial revolution happened.It used to take a skilled artisan to make carvings like that with a chisel. Now, we have duplicating machines that can batch them out dozens at a time. This episode of the New Yankee Workshop shows this off. When building his Lowboy, Norm doesn't even try to carve cabriole legs, he buys them from a company that makes them, and we get a little footage of the factory. This is why you don't see the Zuckerbergs of the world showing off ostentatious carved furniture: ornate carvings are commodity items now. You can buy furniture with cabriole legs and arch cornices at any of those big warehouses out by the highway with a "Going out of business forever" sign out front.
Is it only ornamental?
95% yes. Speaking as a woodworker I can tell you, people overwhelmingly like looking at tapered legs. Our own legs taper, so we tend to copy that. From fancy cabriole legs to simple shaker furniture. A flared foot of any kind is mostly ornamental because again our own feet flare out, but there is a bit of a practical purpose: A larger surface area with a rounded edge is easier to slide across the floor than a small, sharply edged end of a board. It doesn't tend to dig in as much, particularly on carpet. Also, the rounded features are more difficult to chip and splinter.
Why are they usually webbed feet?
It's meant to be a dragon's foot, so somewhere between reptilian and birdlike. It is also furniture, not a statue, so it's rather stylized and not very anatomical. Edit to add, sharp, deep crevices like you get between, say, the fingers of a balled fist, are difficult to carve; The deeper and thinner the crevice, the longer, thinner and more delicate a tool is required to carve it. A craftsman may design around the limitation of the tools he has by, say, making webbed feet rather than trying and failing to do distinct toes.
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I fucking love it when a specialist with relevant expertise who also happens to be a good writer gives a full on contextual breakdown that's super accessible, well organized, well informed and a pleasure to read, on a topic I never even thought about. It's the stuff lemmy dreams are made of.
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Don't mistake me for a scholar, now. I'm a guy with a thickness planer in his backyard shed that's read a couple books and watched a lot of videos about building furniture. I'm confident I could defend the rank of "enthusiast."
That said, it is something I liked about Reddit. You could post "Left-handed theoretical psycho-ornithologists of Reddit..." and you'd get at least a few credible answers.
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Me too, but the uber-pessimism spoils it for me.
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I agree with all of this except the part about making things pretty being a waste. Beauty has its own value, although far too often for pieces like this it was more for bragging rights as you said.
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The claw clutching a pearl is just one variant of countless others. We have furniture from ancient Egypt and Rome which has legs carved as animal feet, so it is not a tradition that stems from the British via China.
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Decorative flourish for the most part. A lot of that old stuff was crafted by hand rather than a machine so it tends not to be designed for mass production.
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A foot like this is a blend of decorative and functional, imo.
You end up with more surface area than if you had just gone with a straight column, and that helps with stability, slightly lessens the pressure.
Many modern tables or desks have... much less ornate footpad type structures, if the thing itself is quite heavy, or intended to hold a decent amount of weight.
Of course... I have no way of knowing if this old... desk? table? whatever it is, was intentionally designed with that in mind, but the function is still there, at least to some degree.
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The metal ones were quite often mass produced by casting, like in claw-foot bathtubs. Probably in imitation of older artisanal pieces, which were already antiques in, say, 1910.
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Casting I would say is kind of a separate deal. You can still find somewhat ornate cast things today, although more often it's injection molded plastic coated in paint.
You could do this kind of thing with wood in a CNC machine, but more often it's just some straight cut or moulded particle board stuff with no life in it.
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Cause it's freakin cool
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That design is known as “Ball and Claw”. It likely originated in the east with some symbolism, but when it went west, craftsman thought it looked cool and started copying it with minor changes.
More info: https://www.furniturelibrary.com/use-of-the-ball-claw-design-motif/
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Pfft, look at this person giving an actual answer. Jokes, opinions and political rants only. /s
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Thanks! I find the mythological aspect of it fascinating. I'm sure there're other interpretatios, but from the site you shared
Almost all historical sources believe that the Ball & Claw design was derived from the Chinese: a dragon’s claw grasping a crystal ball, or a pearl, or sometimes a scared, flaming jewel. In Chinese mythology, the dragon (Emperor) would be guarding (with the triple claw foot) the symbol (ball – for wisdom, or purity) from evil forces trying to steal it.
Another interpretation is that the ball symbolizes a polished river stone being held firmly by a crane, who stands diligently over her nest. Resting on one leg, with the stone held in mid air by the other, the mother crane watches over her young and would quickly awaken if she were to fall asleep and drop the stone.
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Because look at those cute little footsies
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People used to take pride in their work, and there was a time when consumers valued quality over price point.
You're never going to walk into a charity shop and find a 100 year old chipboard IKEA wardrobe. Shit is literally made to fall apart and have to be re-bought.
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The average worker wasn't buying a table with carved feet 100 years ago. You're experiencing survivorship bias.
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I don’t know. IKEA makes some great shit. They’re not the problem imo, Wayfair and other crap is far worse
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It totally depends what you buy. IKEA definitely does sell crap, so does every other furniture chain store, but not everything is crap. Really depends on what you look at specifically.
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Also because SURVIVING antique stuff is still here because it is fancy and well made.
Plenty of cheap shit was made at the same time and long ago burned in the trash pile.
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With all 4.5 children inhaling the lead paint fumes wafting off of it, or something like that. Ahh, the old days.
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They are the children of Baba Yaga's house.
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Fables vibes
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It's known that the more wealth you acquire, the stronger your foot fetish becomes.
It's known.
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Not a problem, just cast yourself in a movie if you have the urge to suck toes (or say the n word).
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My n Tarantino
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As for why webbed, because it was easier than carving the toes out completely, and probably more stable.
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I agree that stability, durability and ease of manufacture were the likely reasons.They probably weren't intended to be seen as webbed feet though. More likely they're meant to depict taloned claws clutching a sphere.
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Webbed toes help them swim more efficiently. As more and more furniture moved indoors, the shape of the legs and feet evolved to the drier climate. You can still find modern pieces where the look has been replicated, but the webbing tends to be decorative in nature, not functional.
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There’s nothing more majestic than a galloping herd of wild chaise lounges…
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Fainting goats actually evolved from the fainting couch, an evolutionary cousin to the chaise lounge.
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Because it’s cool.
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Looser than what?
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Leo's girlfriend.
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Given the trash that passes for furniture these days I expect that in 50 years or so people will still be hunting for stuff from the early 1900s or earlier to put into their place.
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Maybe the supply of old furniture will dry up, and demand would rise enough to make actual quality furniture feasible again
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Possibly. They'll still be baking with the same chunky mixers, though.
This has already happened to a degree. You might have seen a log cabin but probably never a sod house. Probably not so many crank-powered tools either.
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What else would they do, hands? That would be silly.
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That's just the ones that survived, the others weren't able to run away.
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From what? RUN AWAY FROM WHAT?!
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Because it hurts less when you hit your foot against it when going to the toilet during the night
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Iirc, the design goes back a few hundred years or so, and they were intended as either lion claws or dragon claws, wrapped around an orb.
Incidentally, you'll also find pineapples are commonly found carved in older furniture. Pineapples were considered a symbol of hospitality. Again, as I recall, because it's been a while since I learned about this stuff.
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Pineapple's in northern Europe were a symbol of wealth and status. You could actually rent a pineapple for your dinner party to elevate your status. Pineapple theft was a notable crime. One thief was sentenced to 7 years in an Australian penal colony.
https://historyfacts.com/world-history/fact/stealing-pineapples-used-to-be-a-serious-crime/
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They used to walk before we lost our imaginations to capitalism
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Because it looks awesome, and they can.
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Cuz looks cool
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sphere won't scratch whilst offering stability, and is locked into the table with the claws
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Because craftsmen used to make things by hand and real care could be put into their creations. The better question is why we don't do this stuff anymore, to which the answer is, as always, capitalism.
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