Collapse: Can we admit how completely fucked we are?
Collapse: Can we admit how completely fucked we are?
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From my perspective in Canada, there’s nothing the US can do to unfuck this situation.
Let’s say folks unseated Comrade Spraytan somehow and reversed all of his policies. I would still never trust their country again with economic or security dependence in the way that much of the world has enabled in the status quo.
It was the American voters who selected this foolishness, not once but twice. They and their country will not be trusted for a generation or maybe longer. They threw away a very good thing for them because of abject greed, and now it’s gone forever.
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And the problem isn’t Trump but rather the 30-40% that voted fir him
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Its a global class war the Australian Murdoch family is a huge reason Americans vote they way they do. Also it has bled into Canada. The freedom convoy and people like Lauren Southern are paid shills for foreign billionaires.
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That 30-ish% (or more) of Americans like and support fascism is a real problem. Its been a real problem for... roughly all of human history that 1/3 of us are selfish monsters that lack empathy.
Trump stole the election. He announced he would, his lackeys did extensive voter suppression work, and then he bragged about doing it afterwards. He didn't win a fair election, and it's disgusting that the narratives have fully blown past that.
The wealthiest people on Earth believe that we're in an "end game" of some sort, and that now is the time to do everything in their considerable power to consolidate rule before the big collapse sets in. This isn't an America problem, it's a World Class War and the USA isnt even the first battlefield, just currently the most visible failure of the lower classes to fight back.
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and the 30% that didn't vote at all
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I need to hire you to summarize my lengthy pretentious blathering into a nice concise sentence. :)
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Can we please stop with the mental gymnastics of 30% didn't vote 5% Tiger King and the rest got split between Harris and Trump?
The fact is that the majority of voters chose Trump, period. Now you guys need to get your shit together and fix this shitshow, but as others have said it already, the trust is gone.
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No the problem is ALL the about 75% that didn't vote against him.
They were fine with letting Trump win. -
31%.
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As an American I know I will never look at America or other people the same way again. The last few months have opened me to ideas I never considered before and have completely changed how I view myself and even the people I used to trust. This is certainly the Gen Y/Z generation-wide trauma event. I'm not sure the AIDS epidemic was even this bad. Government negligence is one thing. This is complete disregard for the law.
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I have news for you if you think the aids epidemic was negligent and not intentionally reckless because it was a "homosexual" disease.
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Yeah that's how it seems to me too.
November 24 was a turning point, and this path was chosen in a free and fair election.
If Trump died tomorrow he would be replaced by someone just as bad by any meaningful metric.
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Driven by racism and hate. Trumpsterfire gave them permission to act like themselves.
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I’d throw in greed and ignorance into the mix but yes
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This is how I see it as well. Its not about manufacturing either, you cant increase manufacturing during a recession when no one can afford anything and no one is willing to work low wages.
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I’m not sure why you deleted that, because you’re absolutely correct.
If not for being targeted, my own country would have elected a shitbird and we’d have become the lone US toady as the world isolated both of our countries, while the Americans treated us like an open pit mine.
So it’s not that I think my countrymen are inherently superior. The Albertans who want to create a landlocked country — deeply vulnerable to American bullying — are acting dumber than the poverty stricken folks supporting Spraytan.
And it’s not that I don’t trust democracy, I do trust that it’s reflecting will of the people. The American voters have shown a lack of priority to respecting their own commitments worldwide and a dislike of the world order that placed them at the centre. So while many in the country do have that commitment, their inability to keep the deplorables out of power means that the rest of the world can have no illusions about depending on them going forward.
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A lot of people, Americans, didn't trust America before trump. America is getting played out and dragged across the ground by unholy people.
I heard someone say; Angels and Demons, I never knew you could see them.
It took time for me to understand the reality of that. Evil has humanity captured in its hand squeezing the life from its figurative body.
What's worse, ime, the same evil will use spirituality and uplifting talk to gather control of people while at the same time making moves behind the scene that are completely evil. The same way, it seems, that our government convinces people to lead simple lives directed by media and entertainment consumption, even politics, to the point that people wouldn't know how to live in honest reality if they tried. Real reality has been war. ...but everyone chose escapism and now look where we are.
No one wants to believe the heartlessness it will take, the heartlessness that good honest people will have to commit, all the while trying not to get addicted to the power that comes with heartlessness, to defeat what is going on.
America's already been dead and they are coming for the rest of you.
We have been at war for long time.
When you see evil with your own eyes you will probably understand that terms like the devil, evil, and unholy, are the most potent words that can describe them, regardless what your beliefs are.
They will do everything to uplift your life, just to tear it down and watch you suffer.
Something is going on, all the people that have dealt with gang stalking or corrupt government officials knows how dark it gets. Corruption is intertwined completely now into America and it can't be undone with law and politics.
This is an undeniable truth many people know but they either buckle and become one of them, go to jail when they snap from the torment brought to them by those that took advantage of them, or they kill themselves.
Evil reigns and people pay for it because it takes their mind off the truth. Ignorance is bliss and that bliss makes money and that money owns the world. You can buy governments with that money. And with stake in the government you can have soldiers fight battles for you regardless of authentic and genuine righteousness.
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Something is going on
The class war.
Same as it ever was.
Now playing The Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime
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There's a lot of money to be made by selling stuff to the US. I'll be surprised if Canadian companies and trading agreements didn't revert to their pre-Trump arrangements within a few years of him leaving office.
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Will he ever leave office?
Also, Trump isn't the only reason all of this shit is going down. It's the entire Republican party. It's every ICE agent, it's the Supreme Court deciding a president is above the law, America is rotten to the core.
Richest country on the planet with plenty of land, many climates allowing a diverse range of crops, and various resources like oil and ores. And they've fucked it, just to get their hands on more and more dollars, to what purpose? Greedy fucks.
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Oh, you misunderstand me.
Absolutely yes, people will continue to trade with the US after a few years. Hell, they are still doing it today!
What’s different is the level of dependence the rest of the world will enable in the future. Their special status no longer applies; and there is no trust they will be good actors in the future.
Long term cooperation will be built in anticipation of likely irrational and volatile behaviour. Something like the integrated North American auto industry or aligning with the US as primary defence contractor or intelligence, these mistakes will be not be repeated.
There will continue to be trade, but across the world a higher priority will be given to domestic production and alternative suppliers for critical products. For example Canada had been slowly retreating from our protectionist policies on dairy — but instead I expect these to now be strengthened. I expect to see a stronger push away from reliance on the US for military equipment, semiconductors, financial and digital services, and more.
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The US has managed to maintain disproportionate purchasing power for its size post WW2 due to trust and reliability. Purchasing power will inevitably erode as that trust diminishes and countries divest in the US.
Doesn't mean countries will stop selling to American consumers overnight but it will happen over the next 5 to 10 years. No one wants to do business with an unreliable partner.
It would also be naive to assume Trump does not have a successor and that a significant number of the American populace don't end up supporting him.
America has poisoned itself with its disinformation engines in the pursuit of never ending growth. Unless there is a major change in the status quo, this isn't going to change anytime soon.
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Can we admit how completely fucked we are? Donald Trump is destroying the American economy and the American empire.
You. How fucked you are. Also if you believe in "the American empire" maybe you should be.
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It's "We" because "you" aren't the subject of the article, it's "We (the People)."
And you don't think America is an empire? That's a wild take on this site, most people treat that as a given.
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Martial law in maybe 5 days...
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why. hes doing everything he could under martial law now without having to declare it.
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At some point all of the ignored court rulings will force him into a proper coup. Until then you are right.
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Because April 20th was always the plan...
Likely because it's hitlers b-day.
Have you legitimately not heard that date between project 2025 leaking and now?
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Apparently the reason he signs so many executive orders is because it allows him to bypass congress to enact his fascist policies.
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On April 20th his goons submit a report answering whether to call up the military to address the "crisis". It's theater to escalate further.
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I kind of hope he does, so maybe the idiots that can do something will.
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Might be a bit generous
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We were already completely fucked. We knew this in the 70's and reconfirmed it in 2023. With Trump reinstalled, we're extra super-duper double-stamp no-erasies fucked.
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USA is Number 1! ... In denial.
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I wish. I wish we admitted the moment we saw the election results. The longer we wait the harder it will be.
At a certain point we will just become russia.
If want to know the truth here it is: There are no good choices left. Sacrifice now, or sacrifice later. The only winners are people who die before they have to pay up.
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Wo', propa' facked? Yes Tommee, Propa' facked
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Like ze Germans
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Welp sure. Now what?
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Volunteer, door to door, deep canvas, fundraise, be heard on social media: anyone except red.
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No, not really.
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It always darkest before the dawn...
Wrenching the DNC from the neoliberals was a huge win, and means we're not only more likely to win the next election, we'll actually get someone willing to help while in office.
Without neoliberals fixing the primary, we're more likely to get a nominee that actually shares the same policy values as Dem voters.
With them in control of the party we had zero chance of actually winning, the best result with them was things just slowly got worse.
Wealth inequality exploded under Biden, and nothing was permanently fixed.
So today sucks, and so will a lot of days coming up, but shit...
At least there's a chance for shit to get better now
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Wait, we wrenched the DNC from neolibs? When did that happen?
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DNC chair election was in February, we got Ken Martin who was the state party chair of Minnesota.
Where he has a very long track record of not standing in the way of voters and giving them the most popular candidates by letting fair primaries happen.
There's a reason people haven't heard of that yet mainstream media suddenly started being ok with pointing out flaws of the DNC
Now that it's not beholden to billionaires, they want Dems to lose even tho the n xt four years will be a shit show
Billionaires will always pick a fascist over a progressive
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It didn't.
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There needs to be a next election before any of that. I'm not being pessimistic; Trump is reenacting the Nazis' consolidation for power and he will go after free and fair elections. Hell, he's already started with the SAVE act. It's up to Americans whether this is right before dawn or the start of a long, long night.
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I posted this elsewhere, but there's already enough "weirdness" that the 2024 election should at least be double checked. I'm a senior data scientist and ETA's reports are enough to at least raise my eyebrow. We need more comparisons to past elections to confirm that this is truly anomalous, but if that's shown, then we've got some real shit to deal with.
To say they hacked the tabulation machines to inject vote flipping code is a massive accusation, so that requires a lot of solid evidence and we don't have the smoking gun right now, but we do have possibly some shell casings at the scene.
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He'll fight tooth and nail to make the next election go his way. Loss of majority means there's a chance he'll be held accountable and that's an unacceptable proposition for him.
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Buy the ticket, take the ride! Are you tired of winning yet?
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LOL
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See this is the problem right here. 1/3 of Americans are deplorable, always have been, back to the founding fathers. And it only took 28% to elect Trump/Elon/Vance. How can the world ever trust the US political system again? It's been hacked by Citizens United, and at this point has been completely corrupted by the billionaires. I do believe that it can be fixed, but it won't be. This has been a long time in the making.
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Idk I find if funny to read American empire capitalist decline, imperialist defeat, and Zionist fanaticism within the first few sentences of an Article.
Like how deep do you have to be in the American left "liberal" talking points.
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Liberal talking points are basically nowhere to be found in this article. Liberal talking points are things like "Israel has a right to defend itself", "I'm a capitalist", "We should balance the budget by reducing spending", "nothing will fundamentally change", etc.
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