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Trump envoy: Putin not planning to invade 'all of Europe'

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Summary

Steve Witkoff, Trump’s envoy, stated that Vladimir Putin has no intention of invading all of Europe, calling fears of broader aggression "academic."

Witkoff expects progress in Ukraine-Russia talks, including a potential Black Sea ceasefire.

He acknowledged Russia's view that occupied territories are rightfully theirs, citing disputed referendums.

The Kremlin hinted at more contacts between Trump and Putin than publicly disclosed, raising concerns among European leaders about a potential US-Russia peace deal.

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Oh wait, how did comrade Krasnov get mixed in with this....

Oh fuck, Putin is definitely planning to invade all of Europe...

"no intention of invading all of Europe" means: They intend to invade at least some parts of Europe.
- The whole REAL reason that Trump wants to possess both Canada & Greenland is so that between Trump & Putin, in a pincer,
  .. they can DESTROY Europe's capacity to compete against them,
  & then they get to be the only "kings" left in the West, carving-up all who they want..
  So, some of Europe for Trump, some of Europe for Putin.
  See?
  They spoke factual truth .. !
  _ /\ _

Oh, shit, so he for sure is planning to invade Europe, then.
- Next will be Moldova, then the Baltics.
  
  Moldova seems a most likely target, indeed, however, I don't know how could Russia logistically pull that off. Unless Trump makes Ukraine capitulate and disarm which is not unlikely at this point. Baltics are a different story as they are full NATO members.
- It's not that he wouldn't like to, but how could he is another story.
  
  Trump has already said the EU was made to harm America. Trump also dislikes NATO. So pretty sure he'd have little issue with it. Probably more depends on how long it takes Putin to get to Western Europe and how robust they, Western Europe, can make their MIC between now and then.
  There are all sorts of possibilities between now and then so no telling how it all plays out.
  
  They could Ribbentrop-Molotov Europe with the US and China I guess

Putin's favorite modern Russian Political Philosopher has written about Russia extending from Vladivostok to Lisbon and this has been repeated by various Russia politicians.
No doubt there will be some parts of Europe that would not be worth it for Russia even if they could invade them.
The thing protecting the rest of Europe from Putin's ambitions is Russia's military incompetence, Ukranian military competence, invetiveness and even their lives, and the superiority of European military hardware versus Russian hardware and the latter is severelly hindered by under investment and low levels of production.

In high-stakes meeting, Russia tells U.S. it isn't planning to invade Ukraine
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He's either a lying piece of shit or a completely fucking clueless idiot.
- I don’t think that those are mutually exclusive options.
  
  Fair enough.

So they are working on a new edition of the Molotow-Ribbentrop-Pact, but with the US as Germany and Europe as Poland this time?
- And so we're working on our own version of a Molotov something

Of course Putin, with Krasnov's help, isn't "planning" to invade Europe. It will just fall under his rule after he destabilizes it.

The President should walk among the people without any security, because most of the people don't want to kill him. So he should test that statement openly and freely, see what happens.

Stupid Orange Grifter & Rube Believes the Russian Psychopath's Stupid Lie
FTFY

Just a little bit of Europe then?
- just the tip
- Because 99% is still less than “all of Europe”, so…
- Well it's not Europe you see it's temporarily occupied parts of Russia, historically it belongs to Russia so really they're just taking it back.
  Same argument that China and Israel are using to annex Taiwan and Palestine.
  
  After Napoleon, Russia was occupying Paris for a while. Ergo, Paris is old Russian territory.
  Also, Novgorod was founded by vikings, therefore everything vikings ever held is old Russian territory.
  In the end times of Byzantine (Eastern Rome), Muscovy bought the right to call itself a successor of Rome. Therefore, Spain and Morocco are old Russian territories. And Israel as well.
  Socialism originally spread from the Russia. Therefore, all countries that have been socialist actually belong to the Russia. Yes: Angola, China, Laos, Venezuela. Alaska is old Russian territory, and is one unit together with USA. Therefore, Hawaii and Texas belong to the Russia.
- Well, yeah.
  Europe is continent sized piece of land. Russian tanks rolling into Moldova is a bit different than Poland, or Germany.
  Different politically, militarily, and strategically.
  Even then, I can't see Putin biting off any more at this particular moment. Time will tell if Trump significantly eases sanctions to a degree that would enable him to speedily recapitialize.
  Of course, I didn't believe he'd actually try and take Kiev, so I'm not going to sit here and cosplay as a Kreminologist.

...yet

Neat.
Peace in our time.
- Just make sure it’s a peace that doesn’t allow for further aggression.
  
  As sure as Neville Chamberlain was when he said it.

Great. So he wouldn't mind of the EU rearms its defensive capabilities a bit.

You can trust that Steve Witkoff guy. He is known for striking ceasefire deals and holding violators to account.

Not planning. Already planned.

"I take him at his word in this sense"
That's the problem right there. Dope. His word is worth less than the air used to create it. His MO is literally to lull people into a false sense of security then rob or kill them.

It will be a liberation, not an invasion. And anyway, not all of Europe, you can keep Portugal.
- Yeah, liberation from freedom.
  Freeing souls from bodies,
  Letting spirits fly,
  Freedom from life.
  #1 liberators in the world,
  Kill as well as ice is cold.
- I think they have been claiming self defense.

So just everything that used to be under the Soviet sphere of influence then? Maybe the Sudetenland, as a treat.
- I think Tsar Putin wants the Russian Empire, not the USSR.
  (Thanks Alamy!)
  
  Putin has said so around 2010.

Russia stretched so thin right now that they couldn’t even afford a scrap outside a bar.
- I mean sure Russia alone is. But Russia owns the US, so I think its resources are pretty huge.

So just Poland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway then. Those countries better EU up, and soon!
- Woah woah woah. Moldova first. They've already got a start on that one.
  
  There's a historical precedent that Poland be invaded first, 'officially'.
  Because if history has taught us anything, if we keep believing history won't repeat itself, it does.
- The Baltics catching strays: "and I took that personally"
- What do you mean? All those countries (except norway which is like an honory member) are already joined to the European Union.
  
  The better get some mines nukes and mines on their border then. I know Poland is preparing.

Iceland looked pleased.

I’m not sure Russia could conquer any reasonably-sized country at this point. Ukraine’s tenacity, resourcefulness, & drones plus western weapons has basically ensured that no matter what concessions Russia “wins,” it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory. It’ll probably take them a decade just to get back to where they were prior to the invasion.
According to independent estimates (that I just googled but seem fairly consistent across different sources from different countries), Russia has had almost 1,000,000 casualties and lost over 10,000 tanks. They’ve even lost a few T-54/55 tanks, which were designed in the 1950’s and stopped being produced in 1981. One report even said they were taking tanks out of museums and putting them back into service. (I couldn’t verify that but it’s probably not a good sign that any 40+ year-old tanks have been spotted on the battlefield.)
At this point, I’m less worried about Russia attacking an EU/NATO country than I am about Russia collapsing and all the regional instability that would follow.

Get ready

Marvel at the social media influencer's bullshit strategy: exagerate your opponents argument to the point that you can ridicule it as nonsensical.
Also: sure. If Putin said it it must be true. 😐

Oh ok, well that’s good enough for me.
/s in case that’s not obvious.

Yet.

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