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  • Chinese company does what American companies have done for 25+ years now!

    Is it time for REAL data privacy laws or are we just gonna keep playing whack-a-mole with Chinese tech companies that get us nowhere?

    • Our data's just too valuable for these parasites. Data privacy laws may eventually pass to compel software companies to store everything in US servers only.

      • Excellent Point. If that's the case though, then wouldn't other countries follow suit which still limits big tech's reach and makes them less profitable and less powerful? Idk. Guess we'll see how it plays out. Either way, I'm staying as far from those ecosystems as possible to at least try to mitigate some of what they do. I'll never be totally successful, genie is put of the bottle, but we can at least attempt.

  • Nope, At least we can check DeepSeek's source code

    Unlike OpenAI..... oops I meant ClosedAI

  • the company states that it may share user information to "comply with applicable law, legal process, or government requests.

    Literally every company's privacy policy here in the US basically just says that too.

    Not only does DeepSeek collect "text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that [the user] provide[s] to our model and Services," but it also collects information from your device, including "device model, operating system, keystroke patterns or rhythms, IP address, and system language."

    Breaking news, company with chatbot you send messages to uses and stores the messages you send, and also does what practically every other app does for demographic statistics gathering and optimizations.

    Companies with AI models like Google, Meta, and OpenAI collect similar troves of information, but their privacy policies do not mention collecting keystrokes. There's also the added issue that DeepSeek sends your user data straight to Chinese servers.

    They didn't use the word keystrokes, therefore they don't collect them? Of course they collect keystrokes, how else would you type anything into these apps?

    In DeepSeek's privacy policy, there's no mention of the security of its servers. There's nothing about whether data is encrypted, either stored or in transmission, and zero information about safeguards to prevent unauthorized access.

    This is the only thing that seems disturbing to me, compared to what we'd like to expect based on the context of what DeepSeek is. Of course, this was proven recently in practice to be terrible policy, so I assume they might shore up their defenses a bit.

    All the articles that talk about this as if it's some big revelation just boil down to "company does exactly what every other big tech company does in America, except in China"

  • Not surprised at all why would I? Don't act like other AI services is privacy focused. It's all same. THEY ALL COLLECT DATA.

    But good thing about is deepseek is you can run locally unlike Closed AI Chat GPT. No need to use shitty app.

  • detective conan sure had a hard time cracking the case!

    "The personal information we collect from you may be stored on a server located outside of the country where you live. We store the information we collect in secure servers located in the People's Republic of China," the privacy policy reads.

    Oh the horror! Let's look at what our glorious spawns-of-techbro heroism has for us in store:

    ChatGPT:

    Claude:

    So not only is your data "possibly" stored in one country, now there's a possibility of it being stored in many different countries. Where's the outcry for that?

    Ok, so maybe your data being under the jurisdiction of another country is sus, right?

    In another section about how DeepSeek shares user data, the company states that it may share user information to "comply with applicable law, legal process, or government requests."

    OH MY GOD SOUND THE ALARM!

    ChatGPT:

    Claude: ::: spoiler spoiler

    Pursuant to regulatory or legal requirements, safety, rights of others, and to enforce our rights or our terms. We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law, including for legal, tax or accounting purposes, in response to their requests for such information or to assist in investigations. We may also disclose personal data to third parties in connection with claims, disputes or litigation, when otherwise permitted or required by law, or if we determine its disclosure is necessary to protect the health and safety of you or any other person, to protect against fraud or credit risk, to enforce our legal rights or the legal rights of others, to enforce contractual commitments that you have made, or as otherwise permitted or required by applicable law. :::

    So not only can your data be subject to the authorities, but it's also handed out to 3rd parties (mind you, DeepSeek does the exact same, so why is it any surprise?).

    Not only does DeepSeek collect "text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that [the user] provide[s] to our model and Services," ...

    🤦... You get the idea now, bother yourself with the privacy policies of the respective contemporaries and CTRL + F to "User Content" or "User Input".. Same fucking shit.

    Companies with AI models like Google, Meta, and OpenAI collect similar troves of information, but their privacy policies do not mention collecting keystrokes.

    Yes, collecting keystrokes is probably the oddest thing here. To compare data farming giants with a decade and a half's worth of data collection to a startup in terms of data collection is so astronomically dumb.

    I could go on but I'm bored now. Do your own research.

    • Not quite on topic but semi related... It's reasons like this that I started reading privacy policies many times before signing up for a service.

      People would be surprised at some of the extremely concerning things are listed in there. Some is for good reason but some stuff is absolutely unnecessary and should be an issue for some people.

  • They should store the data in US servers like OpenAI does. Apparently then Mashable won't write an article about it.

    The criticism thrown at DeepSeek in the past days is just as applicable to American AI models. But when that was brought up it in the past it was "making things political".

    At least I can run DeepSeek locally.

  • They're desperate to manufacture consent against their competition

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