GamersNexus responds to Linus Sebastian's WAN Show segment
GN Extras Our Response to Linus Sebastian January 21, 2025 Last Updated: 2025-01-21 GamersNexus responds to Linus Sebastian's WAN Show segment Evidence Included PLAGIARISM: Receipt #1 - History of Failure to Resolve IssuesDATA ERRORS: Receipt #2 - History of Failure to Resolve IssuesEDITORIAL DISPUT...
Wow.
Call me when GN explains how having an engineer sent by an incumbent monopoly holder provide exclusive content right before a massive launch is not a massive conflict of interest.
I too would ditch low input advertisers like NZXT for clout if I was making the same money GN makes from NVIDIA alone.
From its inception, GN has been covering for EVGA and for NVIDIA. He's the origin of the story "it's user error" when it's obvious for anyone to see it was a design fault (including the consortia that published the specs and revised the 12V-2x6 connector because it was a shit connector).
It's easy to be strong vs small companies when one has the backing of one of the wealthiest companies on earth. Let Steve publish the contract he has with NVIDIA if he's so keen on ethics and transparency.
Till then, it's just a competitor throw shade at another competitor for the sake of clout and audience. They're both the same marketing arms of technology companies. Note that Linus is one the bigger YT advertisers for AMD and both companies are just releasing a new gen...
You’d think Linus would know better than to ask GN for receipts.
He genuinely believes that he's above all of that now, or almost too successful to fail. If the last huge controversy hasn't put a dent into his cult of personality, not too many other things will
I just checked out r/pcmasterrace and Linus might be right then. Most people over there seem to be parroting Linus excuses and down voting anyone who says otherwise.
How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?!?
I responded elsewhere in this thread with more commentary and I'm also not done reading yet, but how is receipt 1 anything at all? It seems both parties closed that email chain satisfied with the resolution outlined by Linus. If GN was upset with the resolution, maybe they should have said something?
Edit after further reading: How is receipt 2 anything at all either? Steve literally says in the opening of his email that the information is intended to be useful for future attempts. If he wanted LMG to edit old videos or provide extra detailed information then maybe he should have asked?
Receipt 3 is rough for Linus though, he has to do better when it comes to communicating. Not only with the choice of language but when it comes to understanding the the intent and body of a message before responding himself (the latter not too surprising given his history of wan show live responses to misunderstood chat messages).
We also allege that there were derogatory comments made by Linus Sebastian in a conversation with Steve Burke on a private phone call on August 31, 2021 at 7:31 PM Eastern lasting 9m 43s, where Sebastian referred to Burke as being “less autistic than you used to be;” however, with no recording of said call, this can only be alleged and there is no additional evidence to provide.
Well that’s pretty fucked up
Yeah for someone who is not close friends, making remarks like that is not a joke. That's fucked
I have a person online I used to consider a friend that made similar commentary once.
Hilarious too cause he has a physical disability. So you'd think he'd have compassion but nope!
I'm not sure these are the receipts GamersNexus believes them to be. They're all kinda stretching things into a gray area.
The plagiarism part is straight up incorrect. LMG did not say that their discussion was original reporting. The WAN show is explicitly a podcast reacting to news articles and events (WAN = Weekly Analysis and News). Plagerism needs a "passing off as your own" piece, while IANAL given react content typically ends up in the fair use category because of additional commentary and thoughts being added, the WAN show doesn't have to disclose sources. Usually on WAN show they mention where they heard of the story, and not mentioning GN is a dick move, but it's not plagiarism.
The history of not following up on issues was definitely better addressed in the original GN video. But at the same time, this just makes it seems like GN is trying to use the argument "Hey we warned you once that some of your methodologies aren't great and led to skewed results and you didn't really react, so now we're gonna release an hour long video on all of your previous fuck ups and not tell you, k thx bi*"
To Linus's original point on not getting a heads up, that's not industry standard behavior and also kind of a dick move.
The unprofessional communication part I can go either way with. Would I talk to my boss like that? No. Technical mentors and peers that I had a good relationship with? Absolutely and I have done it. By the book it's unprofessional it's hardly the damning statements Gamers Nexus is trying to sell them as.
Also for those of you who have not watched any LMG content since that original GN video, LMG has cleaned up their act quite a bit, so credit where credit is due. Linus also only asked for receipts since he was getting increasingly frustrated with several negative comments coming from GN whereas on the LMG side they've continued to praise and recommend GN content
Your understanding of what qualifies as plagiarism feels wrong. Just because an organization advertises itself as a "weekly analysis and news" doesn't disqualify them from citing sources. They still are required to give credit where credit is due.. Even mainstream news channels will let their audience know where they are acquiring their information whenever it isn't coming from their own investigations.
At the end of the day, if a primary source privately requests a citation, then a citation is definitely required, so this is where lmg really messed up. GN (as the primary source) felt wronged when lmg used information from their own investigative journalism and did not give them credit (when they apparently gave Jayz2cents credit). At that point in time, lmg was obligated to give GN credit and lmg admitted to this mistake; but then did little to nothing to rectify it.
And moreover, the question is from Linus about why they weren't given a right to reply to GN's first big piece. The plagiarism and subsequent lack of resolution is stated as a reason that GN felt uncomfortable. GN evaluated that situation and felt it met their own standard. I dont know if LMGs reporting on EVGA actually qualifies as plagarism, but GN is successfully providing the context for their decision.
Ultimately, Linus asked why? And GN said essentially because you did 'this' and it crossed our threshold for hostility, and we actually didn't give those other outlets right of reply either like your claiming we did so calm down.
Agreed. I think GN missed the point by not publishing the smoking gun receipts, but an avalanche of receipts for things LMG was guilty of and have admitted to. It kinda makes it look like GN wants it to look like they're "burying LMG with evidence", but in reality the smoking gun would only need to be a paragraph & some screenshots.
While I mostly agree with you, I do think there are problematic things in this article that make Linus come off as disingenuous at best, especially seeing that he played the "I have 0 idea what I did wrong, I want to sue you but i wont" card.
As for the reciepts for lack of citations, while I think it's obvious that Steve is asking for citations and he shouldn't have to ask, it's always best to make your request explicit. It breeds animosity to have expectations and not state or ask them clearly. I could absolutely see someone being naive in these exchanges and thinking that Steve was reaching out not to get a citation but to fix future mistakes.
The worst thing about this bullshit though is the lmg clips video title. It's a serious allegation that Linus allegedly wants to resolve, but they cover it in cringe memery. And I say this as someone who watches LTT and not GN.
I think if Linus had just called out Steve's beef and publicly requested some forum to speak privately or publicly and sort out differences, that'd be one thing. But with the lmg clip title and the "want to sue, but I won't" bs, it all just seems kinda gross. I know that Linus may not be personally responsible for that, but the company uses his name, and he started it.
I took Linus's statement to mean that he doesn't understand why he is continuing to get heat from GN since they have addressed the issues GN pointed out.
The could sue but won't part I think it's coming more from a context with the ongoing Honey lawsuit, since at least on WAN show its been brought up several times that people recommend LMG join the lawsuit and Linus repeatedly refusing because as he puts it, he's not a litigious person. Given the rest of the his plea in that segment for the viewers to not go after GN, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on it. I also personally give a lot of leeway to people and organizations who have admitted mistakes in the past and corrected them so that definitely feeds into me choosing not to interpret things the way you are, even though I can see why you view it that way.
And yeah the dedicated clips channel video was moronically named imho. Linus or someone else at LMG should have vetoed it, it's a serious topic and deserves to be taken as such. If they felt the need to make a joke, do it like the "channel this angry energy into powering RTX 5090s". A small quip at the end, not leading into things
I have not finished reading the article, but "Receipt 1" is just embarrassing to GN in my eyes. They claim LMG never addresses the plagierism and provides an email chain where Linus tell him what exactly LMG is going to do in response and GN responds indicating the solution is good. Where is the problem?
Specifically on publicly addressing it, Linus said they will pin a comment and Steve said that's OK. That's what happened. Is it truly unresolved? Just reading the emails provided makes it really look like an open and closed case.
I also dont get why they include the additional context in that part of their response. What does GN's recent criticism of LMG have to do with that interaction?
Sorry, on mobile and just had to type something out before I forgot, because this is a long read.
It’s wild how Linus hasn’t pivoted into acknowledging his videos are like junk food. They’re fun but you shouldn’t take them too seriously.
Instead he’s doubling down in all the worst ways while continuing to come off as another whiny tech ceo
He has? Not to the degree you're taking it, but that's been a topic of conversation on the WAN show multiple times.
Yeah I'm a bit confused. He's said they are trying to provide a pretty base level of education... Just enough to get started, but aren't meant to be crazy deep dives. The labs content is a bit different, but I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference.
why is there 0 response on the honey and billet labs thing, which is part of that same wan show? what's with this half done response, why not show all the receipts? and also, why does he bring up a threat of legal action when there was no actual threat of legal action if you see that wan show?
this is such a disappointment, I'm apparently meant to watch as these two adults constantly miscommunicate, misunderstand and ignore half of what the other has said online, and stretch the back and forth even longer than it needs to. This will take like 5 wan shows and gn articles to conclude properly
Yeah I’ve come to the conclusion that anyone whose main job is creating “content” is a piece of shit.
But some have Jesusier hair than others, and as such my own allegiance has been destined without say.
Edit: FR the deciding factor was the 70 dollar screwdriver along with the "trust me bro" warranty. He's a scumbag. His "media group" primarily produces entertainment clips with no value. I get some informative content from GN in comparison.
The legal action is, i think, because linus is basically dragging them through some deep mud by saying he is wrong and what he does are lies. Now i know gn kinda started it by mentioning them in the honey lawsuit video, and they shouldnt have, not like how they did ( but they were right that linus should have spoken up in 2017 because they knew what was going on ).
I also suspect there is no reaction on the honey and biletlabs thing because there is nothing new to add. We know linus knew but kept his mouth shut about it and why, and we know ltt's internal workings fucked up everything about the biletlabs prototype (the video, the mislabeling of item, the auction, ... ).
This whole thing is a shitfest and both parties need to calm the fuck down, which a threat at legal action might force them to do so.
My opinion is that linus (again) shouldve kept his mouth shut about how "his head wouldve rolled if he spoke about honey" because that was wrong of him. Gn shouldnt have made the low punch towards ltt after that which caused linus to (again) not shut up and make things worse.
Now i know gn kinda started it by mentioning them in the honey lawsuit video, and they shouldnt have, not like how they did ( but they were right that linus should have spoken up in 2017 because they knew what was going on ).
Which was only mentioned because the original investigator, MegaLag, also mentioned LTT as part of the investigation into honey.
Funny how people are rather obessive over ignoring this crucial point, while trying to make Steve seem obsessed with Linus/LTT.
spoken up in 2017 because they knew what was going on ).
Wasnt LTT also informed by other peers? Don't remember much of any coverage by any other outlet.
And I think Linus even said that the information went around in the creator circles but didnt reach viewership.
Holy shit it has a table of contents
I get the different likes and dislikes, but seriously, at this point why would anyone watch Linus videos?
It's fun to watch them do dumb projects and drill too many holes in a wall
Emily was cool. But she hasn't shown up forever.
Emily is no longer with LMG as of sometime... Last year?
I stopped watching when he cultivated a toxic work environment full of harassment.
I don't support that.
For people who love ads and being shilled to and watch infomercials in their free time.
Because their entertaining videos with cool rare/expensive tech are entertaining. I avoid reviews from them at this point (which is disappointing since Labs had potential), but the cool home server stuff or x Gamers 1 PC are just cool and there is not much like it elsewhere on YT.
After skimming the comments I can confidently say there are 4 types of people here: people who hate LTT, people who hate GN, people who don't know what plagiarism is and me. Best course of action is to just move on to the post. The second best is getting the popcorn ready before diving in, you'll feel like you're back on reddit.
Thank you for saving me from a potential headache. Maybe I'll come back later with a rum and coke.
At this stage, Linus Media Group and GamersNexus have both made statements which are extremely serious. This is far beyond presenting a front of friendliness, and I am respectfully requesting that Linus Sebastian drops that facade publicly, as well as ceases the repeated personal emails requesting as much, as it is personally making me extremely uncomfortable.
Uh I'm sorry what the fuck
I checked out from all LMG videos after I found out about the treatment of Madison during the huge controversy. WTF is going on over there? I thought Linus and Steve were friends at one point, did Linus forget that Steve remembers everything?
From the article:
Sebastian’s recent calls for friendship were accompanied by serious legal allegations and claims regarding the ethics and motives behind our entire business. We believe this is a play on parasocial relationships, reinforced by Linus Media Group’s decision to re-title the LMG Clip “Can Linus & Gamers Nexus Ever be Friends Again?”, where it paints GamersNexus as a friend who just needs to make up with LTT so things can “get back to normal.” This suppresses dissenting views by pretending to be everyone’s friend, so a legitimate critique seems like a personal attack to onlooking viewers.
If they were, they emphatically AREN'T anymore.
I picked up on that one, I remember that they'd get pretty buddy-buddy for a while before it just stopped sometime around 2019. Apparently things have escalated a little.
I don't think Linus has the ability to pilot a company, even as a C-Suite with no actual responsibilities. I went from respecting them to seeing them as just another shitty corporation.
I checked out from LMG when they did the video on the Velkase Velka 3, an uber-niche case in a niche segment, used bad parts, didn't use exhaust fans, used a poor cooler choice, and got a pc running near thermal throttle when my near-identical spec pc was running 15°C cooler and benchmarking better. It made me realize that they have poor methodology and poorer research standards, so I just stopped watching entirely
Well, so much for ditching the R-slur from his vocabulary. It's like everything Linus says is in bad faith. What a douchebag. And also texting while driving, class A shit-4-brains specimen.
Linus is dropping hard Rs again? 😜
Not defending and I don't have the full context of both in my memory but when was the text sent and when was the promise made to never use it again?
I noped out of LTT after the initial reporting. What happened about the allegations of harassment and particular allegations by a former woman employee?
Honestly though, with this many different claims from such separate entities, I get the feeling there's some evil lurking within at least some core (leader)ship that's probably linked to all this negative coverage?
More directly, Linus kinda acts like a bit of a shit pretty frequently - between a bit of overconfidence that comes off through his general demeanor, and directly calling Steve autistic (allegedly) and definitely using the word 'retarded' as a derogatory (present in the text thread Steve posted), I'd say its pretty clear where the problem lies.
LMG would be a whole lot better off without that L stuck on the front of their name
Personally I’d wait for more people to complain. There are lots of women working at LMG, no one else has complained.
I’ve see disgruntled workers before lie about lots of stuff. If she’s telling the truth then others would also be saying something.
In summary, as confirmed by the investigation, the allegations made against the team were largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair.
Or more specifically the investigation found that:
Claims of bullying and harassment were not substantiated.
Allegations that sexual harassment were ignored or not addressed were false.
Any concerns that were raised were investigated. Furthermore, from reviewing our history, the investigator is confident that if any other concerns had been raised, we would have investigated them.
There was no evidence of “abuse of power” or retaliation. The individual involved may not have agreed with our decisions or performance feedback, but our actions were for legitimate work-related purposes, and our business reasons were valid.
Allegations of process errors and miscommunication while onboarding this individual were partially substantiated, but the investigator found ample documentary evidence of LMG working to rectify the errors and the individual being treated generously and respectfully. When they had questions, they were responded to and addressed.
By memory the external firm they hired did not release documentation of the investigation but did release a statement saying LMG hadn't done the things that were claimed
Linus is just insufferable. Life has been great with his channels blocked for years and not paying a cent of attention to him. Everyone should try it.
Yeah; I only ever see his content when the drama spills into other channels now.
I miss the days of small-time LTT doing silly projects like whole-room water cooling. :/
To me LLT is basically best when it is somewhat similar to old Top Gear, where they do silly projects (which increased in scope with the companies growth).
For actual reviews on the other hand I'd never really trust them and would always look to other sources like GN or Hardware Unboxed (who e.g. seem to do great monitor reviews) for example.
But I've also scaled back watching the channel to maybe looking at it once or twice in the last year.
Yo, why does the website play boss music in the background?
Like a boss
Like most internet beefs I'm guessing the truth lands somewhere in the middle.
Though as someone only sorta paying attention and I don't really care what happens I will say that Linus appears to be more upfront about his mistakes and continuing to own up to them as they come up. Not like he can own up for things that either never happened or he doesn't remember happening. He is still a human.
GN comes across more like the jealous angry kid that lashes out over text messages because they didnt get what they wanted. I can't shake the feeling that the "sudden" turn of GN against Linus has something to do with something else entirely that none of us even know about... Yet.
All that being said I have always liked Luke the most and I stopped watching LTT stuff quite a bit when Luke left. I still watch WAN because I find the information and entertainment combination the perfect background audio while I'm tinkering or whatever. I think both the GN and LTT videos generally both suck these days. GN just stands there with some paper in his hands and word vomits at the camera. Linus reminds me of the annoying orange at times.
You are prolly right about some hidden issue here but at least GN does proper journalism and Linus is just does content IMHO
So I favour GN until Steve is properly discredited
Yep.
GN brings the receipts and can back up any claim they make.
Linus just bitches and moans while being called out on his legitimately bad behavior/thievery/etc,.. and hes used to being able to just lean into his cult, that laps up everything he says, and use them to pressure any smaller critic into silence.. Don't work with GN though, lol.
What para social relationships do to a MF lol
What GN does is not proper journalism. It's sensationalist bullshit. Please stop demeaning actual journalists.
I was similar but stopped watching the wan show when every episode became a product showcase for their merch. Real shame, I feel Luke's a weight keeping Linus somewhat grounded.
I'm 54 and I understand nothing about this 😂
Its a ride. Bit of backstory if you arent familiar. Linus media group (lmg) and gamers nexus(GN) are 2 content creators on youtube focusing on tech. Lmg focuses on 'the best' or 'the most' putting out videos like 'the craziest pc ever built' as a generic example. Theres a great team behind the videos and there are some pretty interesting one and the videos cover a wide variety of tech topics. GN on the other hand does mostly tech reviews and tech news and prides themselves on being accurate reporters.
The controversy revolves around a third party. Being content creators they have sponsors who help fund the show. One of those sponsors that LMG used is an app called Honey which is a browser add-on that claims to help find the best coupons when shopping online. They came under fire recently when it turned out they were colluding with certain websites/companies and somehow stealing money. Instead of saying anything about this when they discovered it, lmg just quietly dropped them from sponsorship a change from their usual trend of calling out the company (theyve done it before with other sponsors). In a recent video, GN announced they were filing a class-action lawsuit against Honey and at one point they made a remark about Linus not doing anything at the time and then the shitshow just went downhill from there
Instead of saying anything about this when they discovered it, lmg just quietly dropped them from sponsorship a change from their usual trend of calling out the company (theyve done it before with other sponsors).
If by other sponsors you mean Eufy, which happened well after They dropped Honey, then yes that was handled differently. Their logic was that Eufy’s (still-ongoing) security issues directly affected consumers, whereas all LMG knew about was Honey hijacking affiliate revenue trackers.
Source on what LMG as a company knew:
We ended the partnership with Honey due to the way their service interacted with affiliate links. Essentially, if someone clicked on a affiliate link (For example, one of ours below in the video description on YouTube), and then if they "use honey" and search for a deal, Honey will override that tracking links even if they don’t find you a deal.
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1415146-weekly-sponsorship-suggestioncomplaint-thread-feb-28-2022/
So this isn't even a story then. Got it.
Thank you for your actual reporting in the comment section below this bullshit that's getting called reporting.
Man, these people need to sit down and have a proper talk. It's embarassing that they've been fighting in public for so long. A lot of that sounds like simple communication breakdowns, even.
Every goddamn time there's a new step in these conflicts, my opinion of everyone involved tumbles.
Did you not read the entire page? They were in private communication. Linus stole a long GN article, Steve only asked for recognition instead of threatening lawsuits and Linus never responded.
I've read it.
Yes. Very unprofessional that the contacts in private ended up the way they did.
Also unprofessional that Linus thought Steve was ignoring him when he was just texting the wrong number.
But those sound a lot more like incompetence than malice to me. A lot of the story is things that could've been solved with better communication.
The "scale of blame" definitively sounds like it's tilted towards LMG. But I don't really care about that right now. What I care about is that I really hope they talk for real instead of trying and failing to understand each other by text/email and then involving the audience in their fight by taking it public.
I want them to talk like adults, and I want to stop feeling like I'm being made to watch a children's quarrel.
If anyone wants to neatly summarize this drama in a few sentences, that would be much appreciated. I don't have time to read this essay or watch multiple 45 minute videos on GN.
The article outlines a dispute between two tech content creators. One party accuses the other of plagiarism, spreading misinformation, and being unprofessional, while the accused defends themselves by claiming miscommunication and unfair treatment. Both sides present evidence to back their claims, but it boils down to a messy argument over ethics, accuracy, and accountability in online tech media.
This stupid drama is a turn off for me. I am going to unsubscribe from GN and LTT. Going to watch other creators instead.
LTT is a shitheel, repeatedly.
LTT gets called out for being a shitheel by different people.
LTT Cries about being a victim of the big mean critics, specifically targeting GN (despite other critics)
LTT fans get big mad at GN for criticizing dear leader, while completely ignoring every other critic (Just like LTT wanted)
LTT successfully, amongst his cultists, frame it as "GN Big Mean at LTT, y u no be fren?" in desperate attempt to make someone other than LTT look like the bad guy.. and fails.
Living up to your name... Could only be more accurate if you were TechJesusCultist. Everyone involved here are socially inept, self absorbed, wannabe journalists and not a single party here have a good track record for ethical journalism historically. Anyone here for journalistic integrity is barking up the wrong tree. They should both shut the fuck up and go back to making their money and getting free tech products for the reviews they put out and stop with this YouTube drama bullshit.
Just finished reading. In summary: everyone loses here.
Linus made some silly but understandable mistakes, had some very poor word choices in private communications, and got Steve on the defensive by publicly mentioning he didn't want to sue but implied he could. LMG is also (in the youtube world) a large company and is likely always working on process improvements, and the improvement Steve seems to want to happen that they are definitely lacking in, is to update old content with corrections or omissions.
Steve poorly or never communicated what he thought were satisfactory resolutions to past comments or incidents and is upset that those resolutions didn't happen, and is only escalating the situation further by softly threatening legal action, while also hinting that they have way more evidence they are just conveniently leaving out despite their current evidence being mostly empty (specifically receipts 1 and 2).
They both run very different channels with different focuses and staff sizes and production values, and each has made mistakes. None of this spat should have been public, but it seems both parties are just bad at communicating with one another and it has only escalated due to LMG actually publicly responding to public allegations by GN.
If I had to declare a winner so far, Steve is looking worse for wear to me given the poor examples provided as receipts and the continued threat of legal escalation, but again - everyone loses here. Everyone looks worse and this should have been handled privately. Maybe LMG should appoint someone other than Linus to handle fellow media contacts, because it doesn't seem like he's the best for that job.
Steve poorly or never communicated what he thought were satisfactory resolutions to past comments or incidents and is upset that those resolutions didn't happen.
Steve very clearly says he would be happy with being attributed in a pinned comment on the video in question. Linus agreed to do that, then... didn't do that. Steve is justified in being upset with the lack of action here, he isn't Linus's dad, he shouldn't have to ask more than once for such a simple request.
and is only escalating the situation further by softly threatening legal action
If someone with as much money as LMG threatens legal action against you, it's prudent to lawyer up and prepare a case/countersuit.
while also hinting that they have way more evidence they are just conveniently leaving out
Because when you're preparing a legal case, it's generally a good idea to not give your opponents all the materials you're building your case with.
despite their current evidence being mostly empty (specifically receipts 1 and 2)
How are those examples empty? They may not be very extreme examples, but they clearly illustrate the type of behavior GN is claiming LMG engages in.
None of this spat should have been public
I can agree with you there.
If I had to declare a winner so far, Steve is looking worse for wear
Lol you lost me again
Everyone looks worse and this should have been handled privately. Maybe LMG should appoint someone other than Linus to handle fellow media contacts, because it doesn't seem like he's the best for that job.
Motherfucker pulled me right back in lmao
LTT needs to treat Linus like SpaceX treats Musk.
built a wall of yesmen around him to agree to everything he says, and executes none of it.
At least to respond to the first segment here, the pinned comment on the VOD does attribute their GN's reporting for the segment. It does exactly what Linus said he would do in communication with Steve.
Does the pinned comment do a great job? Absolutely not, but it does what Steve agreed to, and he should have spoken up sooner if he didn't like it.
They didn't attribute on the clips channel cut, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the result of poor internal communication at LMG (likely by Linus since he likely handled the request on the VOD) to remember to include that attribution in that upload. Again, it would have been good if Steve let them know about it and asked for them to be more careful in the future. Its hard for a large group of people to be organized in that way and reminders are helpful. To bring it up years later in a legal threat is poor form, even if he is technically in the right.
To add onto my last comment though, I like watching the content from both of these creators and will continue to do so. My interpretation is neither is evil nor bad, but that there has been a series of poor communication and differing standards and expectations between them.
After reading that article I can say that Linus is even bigger POS than I thought he was.
This whole writeup reads like an angsty high-schooler. It's all about personality conflicts and petty BS, even the plagiarism email shows that GN appeared to be happy with the response, but now they're acting like they never were.
Gaslighting all around.
even the plagiarism email shows that GN appeared to be happy with the response, but now they're acting like they never were.
LTT never made any corrections or proper attributions, like they said in the email (which is what GN was happy about - that LTT agreed they were due credit and said they'd give it to them). LTT never followed through so it's pretty justifiable that GN's initial feelings would sour.
Honestly I'd have liked to see a very short response where they took the high road. By Internet attention spans it's just mudslinging that drags them both into the mud. There's some really damning nuggets buried in that long response but the shear fact that it's such a long text response hurts optics significantly
I would not want to be butting heads with Steve. The guys a powerhouse and meticulous. Linus is entertainment and little more.
Man we need new tech reviewers that don't make drama by talking past each other in pedantic ways to no ones benefit and go back to talking to the audience and in simple terms so that new people can find an in to join the community.
This is pathetic. I'm so tired of both massive corporate Linus and Gamer's Nexus.
How is gamers Nexus corporate? Genuinely asking because I find their coverage refreshingly pro-consumer
Corporate was meant to be solely attached to Linus not Gamer's Nexus. I just find their coverage to be not approachable and not consumer friendly. They often over pedantic into the weeds and don't even properly talk about the massive tables they casually throw up on the screen.
I'm sorry if my adjective was misattributed to GN
Any shit thrown at LMG is good news to me, they deserve it after how dirty they treated Madison back then. They never properly addressed that either in the eyes of the audience...
What happened there?
I don't have chance to dig all the details right now but here's the stuff
Madison/Suop is a small influencer, who at one point a few years back got hired by LMG. It didn't last long and she stopped appearing in videos, and then wasn't ever mentioned again by LMG.
People eventually suspected she wrote this anonymous Glassdoor review on 2022 and had quit.
Now when the first GN video on LMG came out, people pressured her to tell more about why she quit, and she came out with full details. . TLDR there was lots of bullying, harassment, sexist environment, unreasonable work pressure, etc.
Then LMG promised to investigate this whole thing and provide results. Fast forward a few months they posted these findings.
The keywords here is "unsubstantiated, no evidence, unfounded", etc. It's a very vague response and LMG can't say a clear yes or no because there was no evidence. Many of the abuse was verbal and not recorded anywhere, and because it had happened a few years back it could have been lost or removed...
So we as the audience are left with almost as much ambiguity as when this all started... If you compare both sides you can see why I still side with Madison's story:
GamerNexus seeks out this kind of drama and it’s non-stop. Really an insufferable channel
Ah yes, a lovely little trap.
First its all "GamersNexus should just stop acknowledging LTT! So insufferable!"
Then if that happens, it quickly becomes "What, so GamersNexus cant even report on LTT? PFft, so much for integrity and advocacy!"
Before reading: knowing Linus and GamersNexus, I think Mr. Nexus is in the wrong here, but won't admit it
...just a bunch more insinuations, some avoidance and irrelevant stuff. I'm not going to bother further
I know gamersnexus isn't the more thorough guy, and it appears like that hasn't changed much
Lol. Is this a /s post. I think it's very clear to any human being with eyes that can read. GN is much more thorough in literally all ways.
Why do people like gamersnexus? All I ever see is them stirring up shit for views.
Do they even make real content that isn't just "I called out entity x for reason y and now everyone should be angry"?
Literally none of their "stirring up shit" videos (like the ones for msi, gigabyte, newegg, etc) have been neither unwarranted nor discredited. They've also all led to positive outcomes for consumers.
If you don't find it entertaining, don't watch it. I personally think that it's great to have people like them looking out for consumers.
Yes they do, and its good content too.
Youll be happy to know theyve split up the 2 content too.
Gamers nexus will be tech reviews and news while their investigations moves to another channel because they noticed people like yourself dont like the content while others (like me) do.
This way we both get what we want.
