A truck driver, a father of three, and a neo-nazi who had a full Adolf Hitler face tattoo on his chest.

Ya know, I didn't think I'd be publically supporting so many murders in such a short amount of time, but here we are.

Maybe murder isn't bad by default. Maybe it matters motive and context. Like maybe if you find out someone is a murderer, the default response sould be "Well, now hold on. Let's hear him out."

I remember a story in the 90s where a guy was on trial for murder. He stabbed a guy 114 times. When the trial went on, it turns out it was his brother-in-law who had been raping his 8 year old daughter for a year. When his wife found out about the rape, the guy threatened to kill her and the daughter if he ratted on him. So that same night when he finds out from his wife that he threatened them, he goes into full rage mode. Storms his house. Climbs up the side of his house crashes through some big window. Grabs a knife and just stabs him over and over and over.

When the lawyer tried to paint him as some psycho who's a danger to society, he simply said "I am not a danger to society. I am a danger to those who threaten and rape my family. Are you threatening to rape and kill my 8 year old daughter or wife?" And the lawyer said no. So he said "Then I'm not a threat to you. I'm not a violent man, and it brought me no pleasure to kill him. But I WILL protect my family."

The jury unanimously voted not guilty.

That was a jury of good people.
I've said this a few places now, but I'm pretty sure everyone has situations where they believe killing someone is justified. It could be the death penalty, or removing a dictator, self defence, whatever. And everyone will have some they think are wrong that others don't. I'd obviously want to avoid it as often as possible, and in instances where there is another viable alternative I'd prefer that to be taken, but there are plenty of situations where unfortunately there is no other method. I think relying on any rigid set of rules to definitively say something is wrong or right in all contexts is flawed. Laws shouldn't be some ultimate measure of morality, and things that should generally be unacceptable can still have exceptions, because nothing exists in a vacuum and the judgement of an action can't be done without understanding that context.
- don't forget mercy, there was a guy in sweden who killed his wife (i believe he shot her?) after she had explicitly asked for it verbally and in text for a long time, and the court took that in mind and lessened his verdict from murder to manslaughter or whatever the correct terms are.
I had a friend back in the day who spent 25 years in jail for killing his father. His mom called him from three provinces away (Canada) and told him she was in hospital because his dad had beaten her so badly. My friend wasn't exactly a shining member of society at the time and was part of a street gang (1970's) dealing drugs and getting in brawls. The police in his city knew him by name and he'd spent time inside. He hadn't spoken to either of his very religious parents for 7-8 years at that point.

Upon hearing this form his mom, he stole a car immediately and drove until it had no fuel then stole another. He did this until he arrived at the farm where he grew up. He walked in the door, grabbed father by the lapel and drug him outside. Mother was still in hospital. He literally beat him to death right there with just his fists at the bottom of the steps of the family house and then phoned the police and turned himself in.

He was one of the genuinely nicest people I have ever met and would go out of his way on the regular to help anyone who needed help. I met him over 25 years ago. He'd be in his mid eighties now.
Ken McElroy also springs to mind. Known as the town bully, escaped justice multiple times, eventually the town got together and did what the law couldn't or wouldn't and resolved the issue.
Violence is often not the answer, but sometimes it is.
- Violence is never the answer! Sometimes, it is a question.
Murder is bad by default, but if everything else goes to hell in a really bad way, it can cross over to good or even moral obligation in some cases.

But it's more a sign of how screwed up everything is rather than something about murder in general.
I think differently. Murder is bad by default, and every killing is a failure of society to resolve its issues properly. But just because someone is bad and a failure doesn't mean it's the worst state. A dead nazi is worse than them changing their ways, but still better than a living nazi
Evil just won in a big way in the election. My capacity for empathy for those who choose to do bad shit has been stretched to the breaking point. I don't condone murder (and that includes legal indirect murder like what insurance companies do), but I sure as hell won't mourn when pieces of shit get killed.

However, tribute pictures posted by a man named Gary Brewer on his obituary page show that the father of three had a full Adolf Hitler face tattoo on his chest.

The images were captioned 'Bolted for Life' and featured the two stark S's in the form of lightning bolts - suggesting he may have been a white supremacist and pro-Nazi.

May have. Maybe.

I know the Daily Mail is a British publication so they need to be more careful about libel, but it's kinda crazy that the fucking Daily Mail is being so careful not to explicitly call him a nazi or white supremacist when he had a full on tatoo of Hitler on his chest, but so many actual generally respected papers here in the US have basically straight up called Mangione guilty. When the Daily Mail is doing a better job than you at something you should probably reflect lol.
- The daily mails readership is probably mostly nazis tbh. Theyre like the fascist apologia propaganda outlet of choice.
- Magione was arrested wearing the same scarf/gator, same fake ID, cash, same gun that was used, matches the footage, and had a manifesto claiming responsibility. I know everyone has been circle jerking about him, but I'm going to bet the case will be pretty quick.
It could theoretically be possible that he renounced his views and just hadn't been able to remove / cover up tattoos, so when writing the article they need to account for that (remote) possibility.
- I'mma go out on a limb here: white nationalist Nazis who are so deep into it that they get mad Nazi tattoos all over their chests and then renounce those views don't pose for pictures with no shirt on.
New York Times : new headlines coming!

Funny how all the other news articles don't seem to mind all of his sweet Nazi tattoos.

Some nobody that's allegedly denied life saving treatment for millions gets shot, and now this upstanding gentleman with some local tattoos passes away unexpectedly ...

We, the journalists of America, are absolutely flabbergasted. It just doesn't make any se- hold on, please enjoy this ad.
- The funny thing is that after years of pearl clutching, none of these things were done by ANTIFA, it's all right wingers that confused themselves into killing their own.
Nazis: so hot right now.
- Seems like a good time to throw fuel on the fire.

Investigators still haven't determined what the motive was.

Are they fucking dense? He was a nazi

That doesn't mean that's why he was killed. It could have to do with his gang activities, a robbery, random violence, etc.
- Fair point...
"[He] was driving his box truck near the 7200 block on the Gulf Freeway when he was shot..." That's in the Houston area. The motive is most likely "this stupid truck cut me off and I have a gun."
- Honestly, the safe bet is always that they had a prior relationship, it's usually spouse but in this case my money is on the killer also having nazi tattoos and this is somehow related to their little local chapter of whatever dumb org they probably belong to. Something along the lines of he was suspected of being an FBI informant or some such thing, or drug dealing related, those groups move a ton of meth.
  
  Or he did some shit to someone and they did some shit back. But my bet is it's just nazi on nazi crime.

Investigators still haven't determined what the motive was.

The motive was that he was a Nazi. Next question.

The null hypothesis is almost funnier. Someone out there murdered a stranger for no sensible reason, ran away, and hid somewhere private, glued to the TV and wracked with guilt. Then it turns out that the victim was a fucking Nazi and he can breathe a sigh of relief.
- If you read the article it seems to just be a random event, just the inevitable result of allowing just about anyone to buy a gun. Could've been a lucky stray bullet, or someone just randomly shooting at cars on the freeway like some kind of GTA IRL.
Doubtful. I’d like to believe we live in a country where people risk their lives by self-identifying as Nazis, but sadly that’s not the case.