Make it about me

Honestly, I agree men's issues do need to be seriously discussed, but it's wrong to hijack discussion about women's issues to talk about men's issues. The reverse is also true.

Why does everything have to be so us-vs.-them? We all share the same planet.

I feel like men do have it tough and when men start talking about it, they get shutdown and told to be a man. Boys dont cry afterall. So some men may feel its unfair when women speak up and are heard. So they want to make it about them. In the comic, just as the men are dismissive of woman problems, she is dismissive of mens problems. Instead of attacking an unfair weath class system, we bicker about shupid shit like men vs women. Its not race, gender or sexuality we should be discussing. Its social, weath classes.

Ppl that make these kinds of comics clearly do not socialize with others irl. This only happens online with other trolls, from everywhere on the spectrum of whatever group. But irl, most people are pretty decent.

Honestly same thing happens when we talk about men.

Tons of women coming up, saying "women have it worse" and attempting to minimize the importance if men's issues.

Let's just listen to both sides for once, and make everyone heard. When everyone is given a platform to speak, there's no need to interrupt each other.

This meme is selling shovels, and the comments here are more than happy to dig holes it seems.

I have never seen this happen. I am sure it happens. Perhaps we can leave these toxic people behind. Regardless of gender, color, ...

I'm just going to speak my mind as a Closeted transwoman who would look like a guy

I didn't honestly want to get involved with this thread at all in fear of creating an absolute mess

But being trans myself I see myself having empathy for both woman's and men's rights because I know and understand the issues men are facing and see the issues woman are facing

I don't like seeing the devide on either side and absolutely hate seeing the division and fighting especially when people advocate for men's rights or woman's rights

I personally advocate for both because I see everyone having rights as part of equality and equity and if you don't want any one group to have rights then that isn't equality or equity

We should be free to talk about both men's rights and woman's rights without being attacked for it

Yeah, but no

There are assholes on both sides, like it or not.

Yes, there are loads of men who don't deserve the name, that put women down, who can only be happy on the back of women. Fuck them

Having said that, I very much remember that video of guys going to a support group for men that committed uicide with feminists waiting for them outside to yell things like "it's good that he killed himself!". Fuck those assholes too.

Can we maybe ALL be nice to EVERYONE?

I'm sorry, but this comic doesn't help. The reality is that both men and women face the same nonsense when they bring up what they have to contend with so how about we don't try to disparage either side? Listen to both sides? You know, the thing we should be always doing?

I've noticed this an uncomfortable amount on Lemmy. Being trans, I've started bringing up my pretransition experience/traumas living as a dude even if it's not relevant whenever I talk about a women's issue that effects me because I don't get taken seriously otherwise.
Well, actually, lately I've taken up just not talking about women's issues, and really just commenting less frequently over all, because this whole place is like a mine field of people who just wanna argue. Every time before I hit send I have to think "Is somebody gonna think this is about them and get pissed with me?" And 99% of the time the answer is yes.

I’ve seen the opposite of this happen way more often. In fact, I think we should take care to let people speak on these issues without diminishing or having another issue hijack the discussion.

Anyone should be able to talk about their issues without being told that it doesn’t matter because there’s some other issue.

Upvote though because I like the discussion.

The way this comment section unironically mirrors the comic perfectly.

So many dudes here unironically talking about how men have it hard too 🤦‍♂️

I love when I'm explaining a struggle of mine that is cause of who I am and then being enrolled in the oppression Olympics.

WRT the first panel, I feel that way too.

That said, is this ragebait?

Um, yes. This might happen a lot less if these issues that need to be talked about aren't all blamed on guys. But still yes; we constantly hear about women's problems in various media all the time, while men are usually stuck having to use some comment section to talk about their problem.

Responding directly to the person in the comic

I hear you when you say that as a woman, you feel societal expectations of you can be harsh and contradictory.

There isn't a way for me to experience the same things that you experience, but I can try to empathise with your experiences by comparing them with my own, and noting times when I have felt the same way. This means that I have to compare my experiences with yours. It isn't done from a place of contest, but from trying to relate.

Okay, I'll just say it.

Everyone has it rough right now. Mostly because we've been thoroughly railroaded by corporations for most of our lives, but still.

Everything sucks.

I was really hoping the comments here would be better.
Embarassing, tbh.

I follow a lot of women on socials, including this artist, and this shit happens on pretty much every post they make. It's crazy to me some of them have the willpower to continue creating and posting because i sure wouldn't.

I get what the comic is saying but from my experience men dont ssy this because thats the whole problem with mens mental health, tho women do get ignored but not in favor of men just generally. Point is the world is shit, and yes everyones mental health is shit.

No one called her derogatory epitaphs, totally unrealistic. Also more SA threats need to be there and a few death threats.

Ah, yes. Nothing fires up a debate quite like making someone else's problems about you

Here is a link to a youtube primer on fascism. It describes how this strategy is used in fascisim.

To everyone saying they've never seen this happen, but the opposite happens all the time, I'd like you to try something. Show this comic to a woman in your life and ask if they've ever felt this way. Just try it, and listen more than you talk.

I hope that poor woman takes something for that terrible cold she has.

very helpful

People of all genders will continue having a bad time until we do something about the group that is hogging all of the resources/assets/freedoms, and guess what, that group is not defined by a gender. It's defined by a dollar amount.

Usually it's a case of a well thought out decent post, but then you scroll down to comments and it's "men are trash" and etc, so you end up with a bunch of fighting, which detracts from the original point.

Prolly would be better if "comments on this are disabled" was more common practice.

Or if administrative systems actually punished people heavily for saying stuff like "(any group of people) are trash"

"Wamen" is one of those jokes that has taken a new meaning in the context of my marriage. But I always come close to saying it around people who don't know that.

After this election I agree. We are toxic animals that should be killing ourselves.

toby keith guest appearance

They should hear themselves.

Guys is it misogynistic to not like misandry?

Also last time I heard anyone even talk about the MRA crowd was like 10 years ago

an attack on men and women! well done @HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works

Even in these comments, people don't get it, lol.

WUT ABOUT MEN?!??!?

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IhNcnLwiw

All lives matter type shit. We live in a patriarchy, the least you can do is listen to those most affected, women. Don't expect compassion if you can't show it.

Exactly how I am sure poor white people have it bad in this system(and it needs to be addressed), yet those primarily affected by racism have to come to the spotlight, exactly this way men have problems(and need to be addressed), yet those primarily affected by the patriarchy have to come to the spotlight, women.

Conflating one social problem (patriarchy) with others (economic inequality and poverty for example) is harming the cause and it's disorienting, it's wrong. When we talk about the patriarchy, the discussion should not be diverted and those mostly affected are women, so we talk about women's problems and how they experience it. That goes for queer people's problems as well. It goes for any underprivileged/minority social group. That's it.

A lot of the modern "Western Chauvinism" is due to tech bros following Curtis Yarvin's ideas. JD Vance and his handler Peter Thiel are some of his followers.

The philosophy emerged out of the Neo-reactionary "dark enlightenment" period of 2014 - around the time of GamerGate, but has had Tech Bros funding it the whole time... And now they have their own VP candidate!

Look, my cis white male cultural heritage is colonialism and centering my experience

women are the worst