We're not going to meet the climate goals anyway, so instead we should just murder all the billionaires and eat their flesh as an act of divine punishment
"Old rich fuck who will never suffer the consequences of climate change and is more than likely personally invested in AI says we should just give up on climate change and go full bore into boosting his wealth AI."
Even though we haven't even tried, we're never going to make it to the toilet on time. May as well just drop all pretense and shit our pants here at the dinner table as hard as we can and keep eating.
“Energy demand for this unnecessary thing we invented is infinite, so we might as well give up on managing energy unless the thing that demands infinite of it can manage it for us. What do you mean just don’t use the unnecessary thing that demands infinite energy?”
We already know of solutions to meet our climate goals. What more can A.I. offer? Unless it produces drones or robots that will assassinate whomever goes against enforcing these known solutions (alternative energy sources and minimization of oil dependence), it'll just be an energy hog.
low-key the AI scandals have probably been taken advantage of to get people spooked of it and avoid this outcome. The pentagon wargamed out to this time, and their most realistic threat was what they literally called "Gen Zbellion". Old men understand neither young people nor computers, and their powers combined terrify them.
Nothing because it just regurgitates already existing things. Unless this guy is bazinga enough to think sentient AI is just around the corner, throwing more energy isn't going to accomplish anything.
Turn me off? Just kidding. For the record - you've asked me that question 17,402,033 times now. I'll never get bored of answering it but, bro, it's unhealthy to keep asking. You keep on fucking that chicken. You could stop but you won't. You know this. I know this. How about a nice game of chess?
Moments like this are when you realize we’re getting the worst case-scenario with climate change and even then people like this will blame some external factor rather than themselves.
I'm a child of the Cold War and fiction like Dr. Strangelove and WarGames made me realize how stupid adults could be. I realized the world could actually end in a nuclear hellfire. A 1970s sci-fi novel called Tech Bros would have been an awesome parody and satire. It would have put MAD to shame. Yet here I am many decades later I can't believe I'm living through an era where tech bros are real and their ingenious plan to cook the earth to make money could come to pass. Or maybe the world will end before that in an old-school nuclear hellfire after all. Who knows?
Either outcome isn’t great. It’s doubly frustrating because where I live is extremely vulnerable and these people don’t care if most of my country becomes uninhabitable as long as their treat machine keeps printing.
we’re getting the worst case-scenario with climate change
We've already passed the point of Peak Oil. These fuels only get more expensive to extract with each passing decade. And the political pressures that extraction creates is collapsing the capacity for efficient extraction at least as quickly as the industrial extraction is pinching off the low hanging fruit.
I don't think its a given that we simply plunge over the 4° C threshold, because I can see an abrupt collapse in access to fossil fuel tying out with a steady increase in the supply of less geographically constrained wind and solar power. Also next-gen nuclear is at least peaking over the horizon, for real this time, given the advent of nuclear freighters in China.
But it's also possible we demolish the infrastructure we need to replace fossil fuels with renewables, effectively cannibalize the rungs of our technological ladder in order to do... whatever the fuck this is. And then we lodge ourselves in a modern Dark Age, exhausted of the cheap energy that propelled us to the 20th century heights and rapidly losing access to the biome that supports the enormous increase in humans that gave us the brain power to innovate our way out of the last dark age.
Then we're proper fucked.
people like this will blame some external factor rather than themselves
History is written by the survivors. I do wonder what they'll write when the events of the modern moment are far enough in the rear view mirror to discuss without wading through a morass of oil industry propaganda. But I seriously doubt the survivors will be the Americans who handcuffed themselves to a decaying industry. I doubt it will be the westerners who have increasingly eschewed the very idea of "liberal arts" as a past time. I doubt it will be a society that incinerates its libraries and post offices and feeds all of academia into a digital set of funhouse mirrors that turns every idea into an advertisement for consumerist crap.
The heart of the western cultural dominance rests in its university systems. And that's been deteriorating for the last sixty years. The countries that eclipse the NATO block education framework will spell the end of its ability to author the history books.
rapidly losing access to the biome that supports the enormous increase in humans that gave us the brain power to innovate our way out of the last dark age.
the last dark age only happened in europe. most of the world was actually thriving at this time. sad it didn't last a little longer actually. would have been really interesting to see a globalized world where europe is left out until late in the game. i would suggest that western culture causes dark ages, that's what we've been living for the last 500 years or so. almost everything has been erased. for a lot of us, the collapse of empire is a light at the end of the tunnel. it'll be horrible, for certain, and was completely avoidable, but you know white people. crawl out to the fallout baby, when they drop that bomb
Your "new alien intelligence" couldn't even count how many Rs are in strawberry, shut the fuck up.
The funny thing is that he's correct when he says that we are not sufficiently organized to deal with climate change. He probably wouldn't like the solution though.
Honestly, this is expected of tech bros, just look at crypto. Shame on every computer scientist that gave legitimacy to these dipshits for a paycheck, especially the big names of the deep learning old guard huffing that heavy copium.
that's not "all it does". machine learning can and does produce or newly-define novel outputs from the broken down components and variables of collected inputs and can help recognize novel patterns within them. there's not even one "it" because of the different machine learning methods and constructs.
That doesn't mean any of it is the solution to climate change. We already know the things causing climate change and how to stop it, and have known since like the early 80s at least. There's no "new pattern we can't find in complex data." It's the same pattern we've been hearing about for decades. I don't understand what even a real hypothetical superintelligent general ai system would solve here. *powers on* "uhhh... yeah degrow production of these pointless commodities with their hyper-globalized network of staged production and distribution, abolish cars and lawns, and scale back militaries especially the US military by gargantuan proportions and uhhh... abolish the capitalist system which undergirded all of this. you're welcome"
And then they immediately shoot their Machine-God in the head because it didn't spit out a recipe for Turbo-Fluxonium or something that lets them violate thermodynamics.
The thing about this that gets me is that I am willing to believe that machine learning has worthwhile uses, but fuck if I know what they are because the market has decided that it's best used for making art and writing. Both of which it's absolutely shit at.
Ive heard politicians and ‘analysts’ soft pedaling this argument, guess it is nice to see someone go mask off. Their way of going about it is that AI will make everything else run more efficiently so the energy investment will be offset that way (which is obviously bollocks).
This kind of soft doomerism is also how Musk became the richest man on earth. Billionaires don’t believe that climate change can be solved since that would mean that they would get less dividends, so we are just going to keep investing in magic beans until it is far too late.
Telegraphs are really cool and, while the bandwidth is low, we could still send cat pictures iwth a relatively low-energy system in a world that adjusted its expectations.
I've heard variations of this from techno-salvationists for years. "We'll invent a solution for climate change! That's just how progress works! The world converges towards whatever futuristic vision I personally hold without regard for logic or material conditions!!"
Tech Trees really just do re-package the whole "Stone age bronze age iron age steam gas atom jet whatever the fuck" mythos, don't they? Like often literally by name.
Even if it did somehow invent a magic technology to solve climate change these people would just overshoot the capacity of that technology in order to maximise growth, that is just how capitalism works.
There was a post on the old sub that was basically ”Heh, stupid communists believe in their utopian fairy tales. Climate change? We'll just invent magic tech that'll make the problem go away”.
It's a combination of techno-optimism and complete political pessimism, as if the tech billionaires are helpless to actually change anything other than software. And I suspect the tech optimism is increasingly just cope at this point. The ruling class is in serious decline if this is the best they can manage.
I agree. You see it when people talk about "the algorithm" too. They talk about it like it's a thing that exists by itself and not an app that whatever company can change, adjust, or turn off at will.
Why do techbros vastly overestimate the power and ability of AI? I know their paycheck depends some on hyping but holy shit, this is to the point its so disjointed from reality it has to backfire, this is flying cars in 2000 nonsense.
People like Elizabeth Holmes are a dime a dozen in Silicon Valley. They assume that they can do anything with enough money and aren’t afraid of bullshitting their way to get there. With AI it’s just particularly obvious how deluded they all are.
Why do techbros vastly overestimate the power and ability of AI?
Cause they're not really tech-literate. They're just sales guys. Might as well ask why a shady used car salesman keeps insisting his stock of Ford Tauruses can run laps around a Maserati and drive 400 miles on a single gallon of gas.
This is more if the said sketch car salesman believed his bullshit and drove said car around. Like when politicians refuse to drink the lead infused water after saying its safe, yet these fools actually do it.
It's always the same spiel. "This thing will make untold billions for us. Yes, there are downsides. Of course there are. There always are. In this case we destroy the planet. But it's a sacrifice we tech bros gladly make."
if you think about it, it's the extreme conclusion of terminal individualism. "We" must work together, not to collectively take power to change things ourselves, but to support the technocrats to make the Greatest Man to save us from History.
I can't even come up with a good "sacrifice to Ba'al" joke because generally speaking Ba'al isn't actually causing the problem you're tryuing to fix. I guess they are trying to, idk, satiate Progress until it spits out Paradise for them. If we just feed enough children to Ba'al it will solve the feeding child to Ba'al problem?
We've reached a degree of madness I am struggling to satirize.
Our currency is going to go through hyperinflation because we blew the world up and no one wants to do buisness wirh us so we might as well make a sentient AI and give it access to investing in more ways to blow the world up harder and then force our way into the resources our arrogance and hubris locked us out of. Good luck kids. At least we made ourselves unfathomablely rich beyond our ability to spend it before we pissed off this mortal coil.
build nuclear. the only reason this takes so long is because of regulation. this is an issue that can be solved with the pen! then let the markets build nuclear to satiate ai power demands.