Holy voting choices!

This is Alfred slander. He's the only person on Earth who can slap sense into Batman

He's the only aged gentleman who will headbutt supes in the nose.
There is at least one timeline where Alfred has rocked Superman's shit just for daring to show his face after a fight he had where he injured batman.
Absolutely! I'd take Alfred, if he were the option. At least he could string together a sentence that makes sense. So essentially, our choice is between the Joker and the Riddler.
Can the Democrats please stop tolerating everything? We haven't even officially declared a candidate. Let's take a good look at our options and stop forcing the country into another awful Sophie's choice.
- The options are the Joker and... uh, Thomas Wayne. Like, current day Thomas Wayne.

Terrible analogy.

This is the goddamn DNC's fault. They are allergic to supporting anyone that's not an old school establishment Democrat.

Give us a suitable candidate. Biden is too old and everyone knows it.

Give us someone that is actually progressive and that actually wants to help the American people. We have a few very obvious issues that neither of our geriatric overlords are addressing.

ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE. This is the most important one. Just do something. Anything. Nothing is being done and it's getting hotter every year.
Lower the cost of living. Rent is out of control. Food costs are out of control. It's hard to live right now. Protect US citizens from corporate greed.
Fix the real estate market. Most of us will never be able to own a house because several corporations have been allowed to run amok. Make it so the average person can buy a house.
Healthcare for all. It's not complicated.
Stop the genocide.

Put someone forward with this obvious and simple platform, and I promise they win.

We are not married to Biden. Get us someone younger. Why is this so hard?

During Biden’s first term, we’ve made several of the biggest steps toward addressing climate change, ever
Biden has made huge steps, despite congressional opposition, in making education and healthcare more affordable
The real estate and rental prices are local, and some of us live where our local politicians are at least trying
- Yeah, Biden has done a lot of really good shit. The president only has so much power.
Fucking thank you. I agree with every single one of these things
Wanna run for president? I'll vote
Run, I'll vote for you, hell id run on that platform exactly if I had a few million for campaigning.
You did have someone younger. DURING THE PRIMARIES WHEN THIS DECISION WAS MADE. PAY ATTENTION.
Or perhaps you didn’t like the younger man’s decisions.
So then maybe age alone doesn’t hold all the answers to everyone’s problems as you’d have us all believe.
- Who did you have on your primary ballot? Mine was Biden and No Preference
Primaires are over. That was the time to select the DNC candidate.
It's a joke. Not an analogy lol
Because for someone to get elected, they need more than just YOUR vote, David.
There are millions of voters that might agree with points 1,2,3 and 4, but don't think it's a genocide. They won't vote for your guy.
Millions more agree with 1,2,3 and 5. But your guys ideas on Healthcare is a non-starter. More lost votes.
See where I'm going here? Your guy didn't even say a WORD about abortion rights, immigration, gun laws, unemployment, inflation, global war and terrorism, technology threats, the economy, tariffs, and so much more.
It's not the DNCs fault. Do you know how the Republicans made abortion illegal again? They attacked it year after year, and nobody on the left defended it. We just sit in message boards passively crying "Give us a suitable candidate!!"
ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE.
that's our job. government is not going to solve this. wanna make change for the better? start training for guerilla warfare.
- What are we as individuals supposed to do? I can only cut down on my polluting so much. My ability to do so is severely limited by the options available to me which are decided by corporations.
- We're really gonna civil war before breaking the two party system with Ranked Choice voting?
  Oh course, the democrats are more important then stopping the civil war...

The fact the office of the president has to be likened to Alfred to make sense is quite underhanded and indicative of a greater issue.

And yet the most pressing issue right now is Alfred vs. Joker. It's one or the other unless something drastic changes. So pick Alfred and then work on the next problem.
- The 'next' problems are concurrent, unfortunately.
  The GOP may very well wind up with a veto proof Congress at this rate and it will all be for nought.
- First priority has to be shutting out the Joker, then Alfred will even help find the next Batman
- No no, it's 1st world human nature to make things worse. Why fix the billionaire problem now, when we can elect the joker and try and fix it then? It'll be so much easier to fix it then, right?

No, but you DO replace him.

Yup. But you deal with one problem at a time. Right now we have a real Joker problem with immediate and dire consequences.
- Following your analogy to its logical conclusion, we're about to send Alfred out to take care of this Joker problem. It seems like we should find a Batman instead, or at least a Robin, before Alfred gets his ass handed to him.
You had your chance at the primaries.
In fact there was a younger man,
Oh but no one liked his ideas.
So maybe age isn’t the real issue then.
- Age isn't the issue. Bidens age related decline is the issue. If Biden we're still sharp and responsive it would be a different story but he's neither.
  The primarys are a Joke anyway. People like Gavin Newsom know better than to run or they'd risk the ire of those running the party.
  Until we abolish the two party system our country is screwed anyway. Neither of the two parties would ever do that so it's hopeless. Standing up for Joe at this point is just digging our countries own grave.
  Joe is by far the least likely candidate to beat Trump despite the intense propaganda campaign being run right now. If Joe won't be replaced then we'd better get used to seeing Trump in the news all day every day because that's were we're heading.

Joker for president!

This was the first time in Batman history that The Joker got to be Gotham major?
It's so genius, that made me believe it's already happened before.
- As far as I know it's the first, but I'm not well-versed in the comics.
Man, season 4 did him dirty. There was so much they could do to exploit this arc of his and instead treated it like an old joke.

Who cares if they die day 1 in office? It's about which party is in charge.

It's about which person is not going to have and abuse his Presidential power.
- Biden has been doing it too but yknow, abuse is cool when its blue.
I'd rather Kamala be president than Trump, any day. Kamala isn't a convicted felon.
Choice seems really easy, but so many people make life more complicated than it really is. I don't get it anymore.
- Because you keep presenting a false dichotomy and ignore the actual problem being discussed here.

It's unfair to compare Trump to the Joker. The Joker is a strategic and tactical and logistical genius, he didn't inherit his position from "Papa Clown Show" and pretend to be good at what he does.

Ok yeah, but that doesn't mean we need to choose Alfred to do the actual fighting against the Joker. Instead, it's perfectly OK to say "Hey Alfred, let Batman handle the Joker, you watch and provide advice if you're needed."

batman's not running for president. time to face reality.
Or even "Hey Alfred, could you stop giving the Joker those bombs he's using to kill children?"
If you aren’t happy with the candidates: PAY ATTENTION DURING THE PRIMARIES. You can’t complain now which restaurant to eat at only when the food arrives at the table. You’re coming in way the fuck Too late now for this argument.
- People were saying the same shit about Biden during the primaries, they were saying the same shit during the primaries of the last election. It doesn't matter. the Dem leadership rig it to run whoever they want to run.
- During the primaries, there was only one candidate! Joe! That was it!
- Wow guess who didnt pay attention to the primaries
- The democratic primary was canceled in many states, they made it impossible for anyone to run a serious campaign. They wouldn't even have the candidates for interviews on their networks, not even to maybe pressure Biden to stop leaning so far to the right.
- I wish I was this dumb. Maybe then I could believe in the fantasy of getting representation in exchange for my vote and/or taxation.

So, this happened in the comics and show, alfred got older and passed away, bruce wayne retired as batman, he managed the batcave, and a younger protege took up the batman mantle.

I dont know what this malarkey is about thinking someone cant be too old for a job.

It's not about whether or not someone can be too old for a job. It's about thinking that someone is too old for a job therefore justifies putting absolutely anyone, let alone a literal criminal in his place.
- But no one here's promoting Trump. I know youre seeing it as intrinsically Biden vs Trump, so detracting from Biden is the same as bolstering Trump. The goal is to beat Trump. The means to do that is everyone rallies behind one candidate. The problem is right now, Bidens not beating Trump, his age and health combined with the tragedy in Gaza is preventing too many people from rallying behind him. He has the most people rallying behind him of all current opponents to Trump, but not enough.
  The timeline where we beat Trump is Biden withdraws from the race and endorses another candidate. Remove Biden as an option and everyone rallying behind him purely because he has the largest support against Trump is forced to shift to another candidate, and we can push for the people that werent rallying behind Biden due to age and Gaza to also rally behind the new candidate, and hopefully then have enough people rallying behind one candidate to beat Trump.

The false dichotomy fallacy here is that we don't have to choose either. There is still time to pick Robin. Younger; more charismatic; still moral.

show me robin.
- Whitmer. Shapiro. Newsom, even.
  Before anyone tries to claim polls show they wouldn't do better than Biden against Trump let me remind people that this is without them having the endorsement of the dnc or the inevitable viral media attention they'd receive from endorsements from Obama or Biden himself. They'd surge overnight.
  You know who isn't surging? Biden. He's been steadily declining in every single data-point, and the debate didn't help.
  So you know what 70% of voters have a problem with? How old the two current candidates are.
  Give them what they want. Give Americans new exciting shit to vote for. This is the country that watches the Kardashians and American Idol for christ sake.
We absolutely cannot trust the DNC to not make the same mistake they made in 2016. But you are not wrong
Nope. That's Denying the Correlative. In the general election, there are two choices of statistical significance, supporting the DNC candidate, or supporting the RNC candidate. The Right is consistent in voting and wins when there is lower turnout for the DNC candidate (they are a minority). Third parties are spoilers, generally bleeding votes from the DNC candidate, making it more likely that the RNC candidate wins.
The Democratic primary ended in early June. That was the time to get Robin in. Now, it's too late for that and the choice is between Alfred, who should be retired, and the Joker, who should be retired and wants to replace democracy with a dictatorship, put anyone who was mean to him in prison, and expand ongoing genocides where he thinks that he can profit off of the real estate that used to belong to the murdered inhabitants.
- Whoa, whoa, whoa... Who said anything about third-party?
  The nominee isn't official until the convention, which means we still have time. And I ask: what would happen between then and November should Biden suffer a fatal medical emergency or his condition get so worse it's impossible to hide? Democrats would, of course, find a way to put someone else on the ticket.
  So let's not pretend it's impossible or that the ship has sailed, for it has not.
  If we actually grow a fucking backbone and realize that Biden:
  Is performing WORSE in EVERY WAY compared to his 2020 run (where he eeked by with 40,000 votes)
  Is performing WORSE than Hillary Clinton's loss in 2016.
  70% of the electorate BEFORE the catastrophic debate seen by 50 million people thought Biden was too old
  64% of independents POST-debate say they want Biden replaced on the ballot.
  ... And let's acknowledge that we need to take a chance at an open convention or face a guaranteed loss.
I think you mean Nightwing.
- Raven for President!
And who is Robin in this example?
- John Stewart
...who you also went vote for because "both sides*.
There is still time to pick Robin
LOL. Uh huh. Sure bud.

They be like: your options are a shit sandwich or getting shot in the head.

When all along your options are every other food too, they just removed them from the menu.

You still should pick the shit sandwich over the shot to the head, but you should as hell be mad at both the one who would pull the trigger and the ones who left you with a shit sandwich as the viable alternative.

Eat the sandwich, remove the trigger man then go after the restaurant owners.

Eating the shit sandwich will result in always getting a shit sandwich
- 2016: "Vote for the shit sandwich"
  2020: "Vote for the shit sandwich"
  2024: "Vote for the shit sandwich"
  Can't understand why the Democratic Party isn't more popular.

Seems like such an odd comparison. Alfred Pennyworth is a certified badass, he would absolutely keep Wayne Manor and the Batcave both managed and defended until the day he dies if he wishes to.

Alfred is not a certified badass in every version of Batman. In fact, that's generally a rather recent thing.

Yeah, this analogy just stinks, as a comic book fan...

Yea, clearly trump is more like lex Luther...
- Sorta, Lex was a successful business owner.

They knew in 2020 that Joe was slipping but instead of trying to solve the problem then they did nothing but cover up the obvious issues. To go with the metaphor, Alfred was a good man doing the right thing. The modern Democrat party has no Alfred. Instead they now seems to care more about their party's own power over the actual good of the country. Very few people wanted Joe in 2020 but we were told we vote him in to save democracy and then run someone better in 2024. Now here we are going through the same loop. No, if the Democratic party refuses to run a candidate that the people want then we've already lost our democracy. Our two party only system is already a joke and it allows those in power to do whatever they want with the looming threat that the other team will destroy America. I'm sorry to say but the Joker is already in charge.

I disagree: The Democratic Party does not care about its power. In fact many of the still current leaders of the party actively believe in a strong Republican Party.
I am specifically quoting Biden with that.
"We need a Republican Party. We need an opposition that's principled and strong."
Yup, people so quickly forget that Biden and his campaign heavily implied that he planned on being a one term president. Somehow that whole thing came and went.
How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over and just wipe it out of their memory is beyond me.
- How people allow themselves to be gaslit like that over and over
  Other guy is worse. Yes, it's the same guy who has been running for president since 2016, but he's worse so you have to vote for our guy no matter how awful he gets.
  Trump's going to run again in 2028 and you're going to be expected to vote for the Democrat for this reason alone, again.

Ah, yes, Jimmy Kimmel. The voice of reason.

Compared to Trump, virtually anyone is the voice of reason.

But you also don't have Alfred as the one suiting up to fight the Joker either.

Doing away with First Past The Post voting will allow us to choose a different, better option.

A joker who is just as old as Alfred.*

I call this one "American Politics".

Alfred has been dead for like 5 years now. He's not coming back. Bruce has a new mansion in the city with the Bat Family.

They replaced Alfred with Bruce. We're not asking them to replace Alfred with the Joker, but with someone competent

I like how Democrats always frame this as the only two choices. They really, REALLY want to lose.

You have a better solution for tens of millions of voters to organize behind in the next 4 months?
- They had 4 years to light l find and line someone else up. Biden's age isn't a surprise that snuck up on anyone
It's way easier to run a campaign this way, though. Who wants to acknowledge that the US issues are structural and require solutions that would go against the lobbyists and donors' best interests?
But due to the first-past-the-post system, these are the only two options. The primaries are when you choose the candidates, and the election is when you choose the winner of the candidates. That's the system you have. You really need to switch to a preferential voting system if you want to have more than two options in the presidential election.
I’ve wanted Biden to croak and the party be forced to get behind Kamala sooo bad. Boom, younger candidate, female, minority(Indian mother, Jamaican father) incumbent that can be elected 2 more times. Maybe the plan is for it to happen next term? Idk. I don’t know a single thing she’s done besides be a VP, but damn give me someone who doesn’t look like they gonna die any second.
- Kamala isn't very likeable, and I saw a recent interview (about Biden's debate performance) where she acted pretty unhinged. She talked at Anderson Cooper like he was a child, had a wierd speech cadence, and smiled psychotically.
  Only thing I know about her is she was a DA and prosecuted a lot of people for cannabis.
  I'm actually not sure if she'd have a better chance at winning than Biden.
  If, somehow, Biden wins, I'd bet she'd be president soon after. Rumors are Biden's sundowning, and isn't very coherent after 3pm. That's only going to get worse, forcing him to step-down (or one would hope).
  Harris would probably be a status-quo (i.e. actual conservative) president. Not good, but not as bad as a fascist president.
It's this endless litany of "Just because our guy sucks..." and I can't imagine what that message is going to do to turnout in three months

In one universe, Alfred was the Joker.

Which comic is that? It sounds familiar.
- Batman #686

This is the best argument I’ve seen so far, which is sad. They should run on this message. Also sad.

Where the fuck is Batman anyway?

Why cannot Robin take care of the Batcave? Why Alfred want the Batcave so bad when is clear that he need to retire and let a younger generation have their time?

Ain't Robin also running around in yoga pants and cape, hopping at unexpected individuals in dark alleys?

Or you could run someone who doesn't have their foot half in the grave.

angry Solomon Grundy noises

More like victor zsasz vs the joker lmao

Yes, political humor is ever-so-childish and no one should tolerate it. Especially not in a political memes community.

What if Alfred is guilty of genocide?

The US has sent at least 14,000 of its massive, highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs to Israel since October 7, report says. The fact that this doesn't seem to matter at all is damning, you don't even see the Palestinians as people.

Every alternative supports genocide. Either in Gaza or Ukraine (edit: or both)
- I can name three who aren't: Cornel West, Jill Stein and Claudia De la Cruz.
What is the joker guilty of in this allegory? nothing?

Except the Dems convention hasn't happened yet and there's still plenty of time to hire Batman a great butler who's still capable...

Joker only has a chance if we run Alfred and he loses. We don't have to run Alfred.

So if you want to do everything you can to stop Joker, Alfred needs to step aside and endorse his replacement

Who is that going to be though? There's no one. Traditionally it might be the current VP, but everyone hates Kamala because she's shit. There is no one else, it's Biden or my dumb ass cat, at least my cat will get the 'cute and doesn't shit in the plants' vote. Unbelievably my cat would still lose to a rapist and felon.
- Who is that going to be though?
  I used to type a lot for these, but they constantly come up.
  So at this point: AOC
- My dumb cat would work. As long as they don't have a sex scandal and has some decent legislative record, they'd be fine.
- Who is that going to be though? There's no one
  There's currently no one because the DNC has forbidden all the ones. There's at least a dozen Democrats who could jump in tomorrow and have better chances than Biden by the week after next.
  everyone hates Kamala because she's shit.
  Not as much as they hate Biden now. Whether on purpose or not, they've been wise to mostly keep her in the shadows so everyone could forget how awful and fake she is and also to lessen the Biden stink on her.
  it's Biden or my dumb ass cat
  I'd vote for your cat over Biden or the Mango Mussolini in a heartbeat. Not even joking.
- Is she shit, or is she 1. She not he 2. Black 3. Indian 4. Being attacked by Republicans as a proxy attack on Biden because of his age 5. Not given popular missions?

If you're already making these comparisons, Biden has already lost. Get your guns, beans, and gasoline. Good luck.

Oh so no one was calling Biden senile and incompetent before...nope...just now.... 🤡🤡🤡🤡
- Biden wasn't yet going on live TV and having the only comprehensible thing he said during the whole event be that he beat medicare.
  Edit: downvote it all you want. This is the most important election I've lived to see, and the democrats have collectively decided that our best chance of winning and stopping a full tilt descent into open Christian fascism lies with a guy who would have been sent home from being a Wal-Mart greeter. I think that's completely insane. We can and should do better than Ruth Bader Ginsburging the election.
  Yes, there's a legitimate chance that Trump could die or become disabled in any of the same ways Biden realistically could between now and November; stroke, heart attack, fall with various injuries, just whole ass failing to wake up, etc. BUT consider the outcome. If Trump dies, as-is, the GOP is left directionless and we probably get four more years of conservative Democrats. If Biden dies, as-is, best case is we get a Kamala Harris who has been wholly unprepared and wholly unprepared for by the DNC, and we more than likely end up with however long it takes for the Christian Fascist regime to spark a civil war or otherwise implode under its own stupid weight, probably a good deal longer than four years. And between the two of them, Biden seems a lot more frail, and I'm not just talking about the debate stage. Every appearance I've seen from Biden in the last four to six months, even in carefully managed campaign ads, he looks and sounds like hell, his speech is a lot more unclear and uneven than it used to be (I will fucking elbow drop you if you say it's his stutter. Compare Biden now to Biden twelve or even four years ago), he walks with the kind of old man shuffle that suggests he should be using a walker for his own safety. I think that Biden is at very real risk of death or disability soon, he's most likely too frail to get us across the finish line, and we're stupidly gambling the entire future of the country and the people that live in it because the Democrats love their stupid hierarchies or whatever (it's her turn!). I swear, if we descend into Christian fascism and the consequences thereof, I'm going to slap every person I meet from the DNC. I'm going to slap them until they're as fucking cooked as our country is.
- Well good luck to you, have fun, try not to nuke the rest of the world, and let's hope the fascists don't win.