Hello,

I just purchased an AMD framework 13 and while I wait (im)patiently for it to arrive, I was wondering what Linux distros people here are using.

I've only ever use Ubuntu on desktop, but I think I'm ready to move away from it now, which I guess leaves fedora and mint as officially supported distros.

What have you tried? What are your experiences?

Details for early access for deepcomputes risc v motherboard are out! Preoders start at $200 for a Mobo, coolernaster case, and various sundries. I'm glad it's at an affordable price point.

@framework Good morning from Spain!. My Macbook Pro 2011 is dying. After upgrading it to the maximum, now it's stuck in an outdated OS and I can't install or update new software. So I want to escape from the “Apple cult”. No way to pay 3000 € for something you can't upgrade. I am thinking seriously to buy a Framework 16' with the 8gb gpu to work with Ubuntu and Win11 for simulators. But I have heard some bad comments about the quality of the keyboard, the spacers, and the noisy fan. Any advice?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21664063

> Linux Mint and Framework Laptops Join Forces > > >The October 2024 edition of Linux Mint’s Monthly News brings exciting updates, including a significant announcement about collaboration with Framework Laptops, having potential to advance Mint’s compatibility with hardware designed with flexibility, repairability, and sustainability in mind. > > > >For those unfamiliar, unlike most traditional laptops, which are often difficult or impossible to repair or upgrade, Framework laptops are built to be user-friendly, making it easy to replace or upgrade components. This modular approach extends the laptop’s lifespan and promotes sustainability by reducing e-waste.

Ok, to begin the price isn't really that much of an issue as I am willing to sacrifice it for the modularity. However, the reason I'm into such a modular laptop in the first place is that I am comically clumsy and have horrible luck with technology. For example, I dropped my ThinkPad T450 at the perfect spot for its screen to get decimated. I know repair is an option, but the outdated and nonupgradeable i5-5300U made a newer laptop sound reasonable. My past with laptops is not something I am willing to discuss as of right now, I will be getting a new laptop. However, I have heard concerns about the durability of the FW16 being concerningly bad, but I've also read that the materials (on paper) should be able to withstand most of the trials my clumsiness would put it through, one of the simpler requirements being able to withstand a drop from table height with no visible damage. This is concerning as I'm aiming for a laptop I wont have to replace for a long time, similarly to the P151HM1 I used until 2019, for over 10 years, so durability is a large factor and the modularity serves in case the laptop ends up breaking (which it will, but it is in my interest to minimise how often it does so). The trick feature, that being the swappable GPU really only takes second place for me as I have a well-specced gaming PC capable of fulfilling that role. My primary factors are modularity, durability and CPU power, which is why I'm making this post: I'm concerned about the durability. I really only care about build quality as a factor of durability, I don't need perfect spacer gaps or similar. I'm not willing to get a smaller laptop (see: Framework 13) because I'm interested in the higher computing capacity a 16 inch frame offers for future upgrades (e.g. dGPU, dual NVMEs, 96GB RAM, etc.). Battery life isn't too much of a concern either, as I'm aiming for a more "dock rider" oriented laptop so I'd need maybe 3 hours of light CPU use.

Almost scored a @framework mainboard for a great price on eBay and someone sniped it out from under me at the last second..

Most important part (to me):

> Also in October, we’re expanding shipments to our next set of countries, Croatia, Portugal, Slovakia, and Slovenia. Before the end of the year, we’ll also be opening shipping to Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Hungary, and Romania, which gets Framework Laptops to all of the EU.

Hi there, I've been wanting a framework for awhile now, just haven't pulled the trigger yet. I was perusing the website today, comparing the price and performance of different configurations, when I realized that the 16 needs a 100w power adapter, 180w if you've got the graphics card.

This is a dumb question, because obviously it would charge fine with the lid closed and idling or turned off. Or I could just upgrade my power adapters. But I have a lot of 65w USB C PD chargers in my house and cars, and I was wondering if anyone has tried using them, and if so how effective is it?

Like, 180w is a lot of power. If I'm just working on spreadsheets or something, I'm imagining it would charge just fine? Under a heavier load I would probably start to slip backwards? Where's the line? Movie watching? Light gaming?

Just food for discussion I guess, I still haven't pulled the trigger haha.

Thanks!

> I've been using a Framework 13 laptop as my main/only computer for a little over 18 months now.

> This is essentially a very personal review. I've broken it down into a summary of My Framework, a short Laptop Autobiography, then The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, and The Rest. If you're impatient then skip to the end with the Bottom Line.

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> Where I'm critical of Framework in this post it's not because I want them to fail. They're a hardware startup that's proven their ability to ship good products, and I know how crushingly tough that is. I'm hopeful that they'll continue to grow into a mature hardware company with a strong maintenance track record, and demonstrated mature in-house development processes. I hope in a few years to write a follow-up post with even more "Good" points and barely a concern.

> In the meantime, I'd encourage almost everyone to consider a Framework for their next laptop - but first read up on whatever features matter most for you.

It makes more sense to me to have the switches appear as red when the device has the ability to record you. When color is used as an indicator for something, the general convention is that red is negative. Meaning that there is a greater possibility of something going wrong when a red indicator is being displayed. You could argue that "webcam is not working for some reason" is a negative, and that seeing the bright red indicator can bring your attention to the switch as a hint to how to fix the issue. I would argue against that by stating that having a webcam record you when you do not want it to is a much bigger potential negative than the webcam not recording when you do want it to.

Also:

• When a traditional video camera displays a red indicator light, that means the camera is recording.
• On the underside of the Framework 16, the expansion module latches are red when disengaged

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When placing a Framework 13 on top of another Framework 13 laptop, the screen will turn off. How come?

I am a noob. I am wondering: are there security issues with buying a second hand Framework laptop (I cannot really afford a new one)?

I am thinking here specifically of people having loaded malicious BIOS or put in extra chips to do…”bad things”…

Im looking for an internal usba plug thing for a wireless mouse. I have access to a 3d printer and am wondering if there is some pcb design i can send off to one of those Chinese manufacturers with a parts list.

Will I need to clean out dust. How would I do this? How often would I need to do this? Are there any good tutorials on how this would be done?

the new 2880 x 1920 just arrived and I'm not sure what to do with the old screen. I'm aware of plenty of software options I could use, but I don't know how to hook this old display up to something with a CPU (or what search for). advice?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ndlug.org/post/1014937 > I recently spent some time with the Framework 13 laptop, evaluating it with the new Intel Core Ultra 7 processor and the AMD Ryzen 7 7480U. It felt like the perfect opportunity to test how a handful of games ran on Windows 11 and Fedora 40. I was genuinely surprised by the results!

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> The Framework 13 is perfectly capable of gaming even with its integrated graphics, provided you’re willing to compromise by lowering the resolution and quality presets for more demanding games. (It’s also a testament to how far AMD’s APUs have come in the past decade.)

Summary of results:

• Shadow of the Tomb Raider: Linux wins
• Total War: Warhammer III: Windows wins
• Cyberpunk 2077: Linux wins
• Forza Horizon 5: Windows wins

> These results are an interesting slice of the Linux vs Windows gaming picture, but certainly not representative of the entire landscape. A few shorts years ago, however, I never would have dreamed I’d be writing an article where even two games on Linux are outperforming their Windows counterparts.

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I’ve just ordered a Framework 13 at work to test out and I was wondering if anyone else had any experience using Framework in a business?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18838538 >Wuuttup. I'm here complaining again about Framework's Linux unfriendly display. The new one this time. > > https://frame.work/products/display-kit?v=FRANJF0001 > > # Old display, 2256 x 1504 (3:2) > > ## GNOME > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 100% scale + large text accessibility > - Nothing looks blurry > - Most apps scale appropriately > - Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty) > > 125% scale > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > ## Plasma > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 125% scale + Apply scaling themselves > - Nothing looks blurry > - Most apps scale appropriate > - Some apps can’t scale themselves and look tiny (Picard) > > 125% scale + Scaled by system > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > # New display, 2880 x 1920 (3:2) > > ## GNOME > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 100% scale + large text accessibility > - Nothing looks blurry > - Most apps scale appropriately > - Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty) > - Everything is tiny > > 150% scale > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > ## Plasma > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 150% scale + Apply scaling themselves > - Nothing looks blurry > - Some apps can’t scale themselves, but look a little better here? (Picard) > > 150% scale + Scaled by system > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > # tl;dr > In the old display, GNOME at 100% + large text was the best compromise. > In the new display, Plasma at 150% + Apply scaling themselves is the best compromise. > > Interestingly, Picard scaling itself looks super tiny in the old display, but in the new display it looks... better. It's still not correctly scaled like native Wayland apps, but it's better. > > # Warning > If you can't stomach moving from GNOME to Plasma, then 🚨 DO NOT BUY THE NEW DISPLAY 🚨. The new display is worse for GNOME. > > # Once again > I am once again begging Framework to just give us a damn regular DPI display that works! Without workarounds. Without forcing users on specific DEs. Without forcing users to stop using their favorite apps. This new display has basically all of the flaws as the previous one.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18608554

Hi, I was thinking of getting a Framework 13 and putting Linux on it.

So I was looking at the Ubuntu installation instructions and it says a "Storage Expansion Card" is required to install. I click "view" to see what that is, and the item page says it's a 250GB Type. The URL provided goes to a dead link, but I think that means a "250GB (2nd Gen) Storage Expansion Card" for $45 on the configuration page. I've installed Ubuntu before, but I just used a plain USB stick, and the instructions aren't clear on whether that's enough or whether I need to use their specific drive for some reason.

So my question is: when I'm configuring a Framework 13, do I need to add a 250GB expansion card, or can I just use a USB stick that I already have (to install Ubuntu)? Thanks.

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I recently got my framework 16 and took off my trackpad to inspect what could be causing it to stick up and saw this. Compared to the other side, the plastic here doesn't look straight and plastic is deformed by the metal. Is this something fixable or would I need to buy a new midplate?

I'm curious about when we might see the next AMD refresh for the Framework Laptop 13. The current top-spec option is the Ryzen 7 7840U, which was introduced in early 2023 and started shipping in Q3 2023. Given AMD's latest offerings and Framework's history of timely updates, soon we might expect to see a new mainboard featuring AMD's newer CPUs, like those from the Ryzen 8040 series or the upcoming Ryzen 9000 series.

• Ryzen 7 7840U:
  • Architecture: Zen 4
  • Cores/Threads: 8/16
  • Base/Boost Clock: 3.3 GHz / 5.1 GHz
  • TDP: 15-28W
  • Integrated GPU: Radeon 780M

Potential New CPUs:

• Ryzen 8040 Series: Higher base and boost clocks, improved power efficiency, and enhanced RDNA 2 or RDNA 3 integrated graphics.
• Ryzen 9000 Series: Zen 5 architecture, up to 16 cores and 32 threads, improved AI processing capabilities, and better power efficiency.

Framework has consistently updated its laptops with the latest Intel and AMD CPUs, so it seems we might be due for a refresh soon.

What are your expectations for the next AMD mainboard refresh?

I have not been able to notice a pattern as to why/when this happens. But after the black screen for a few seconds, it comes back to the login page.

I've updated the bios to the newest version with no success, would love some assistance at least debugging this. This is my relevant system information:

!System Specs

Currently looking at a DIY AMD 7640U, 1x16GB RAM, 250GB storage, 1 USB-C, 2 USB-A, 1 HDMI.

My use case will mostly entail note taking in class. I've got a built PC at home.

But I'm not a hardware guy, would I be better served w/ different CPU or RAM set up in your opinions? I've mostly picked bottom tier specs but is there anything in your opinions that is worth splurging on, all things considered?

> Preorders are fulfilled, it’s now on sale — is it better?

!!!

I've somehow managed to bend a RAM clip so it can't clip anymore because it's blocking itself. I haven't been able to bend it back. Any suggestions?

Even without the search, those two were the only small SSDs I could find under "Memory and Storage".

I assembled my new Framework laptop 16 yesterday and tested it out with a live Linux Mint environment.

Today I tried to install Linux Mint to a storage expansion card. During the instillation, I had to create a secure boot password for the codecs. When partitioning, I made a 32GB Swap and had the rest of the storage as root. During the instillation, there was a fatal error. I tried unmounting the partitions on the card to create a new table to try again (using fdisk). This also gave an error, so I decided to reboot.

When rebooting, the error shown in the image was displayed and then the computer is powered off. Trying to turn it on without the live USB inserted goes to bios. I tried re imaging the USB, but the Framework still displays the same error. I tried disabling secure boot; same result. I tried factory resetting secure boot; same result. I tried booting without the expansion card; same result.

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Failed to open \EFI\BOOT\mmx64.efi - Not Found Failed to load image ###: Not Found Failed to start MokManager: Not Found Something has gone seriously wrong: Import_mok_state() failed: Not Found

The "#"s are completely solid (or possibly checked) characters.

I tried creating a debian USB, but using that gave the same error.

I'm unsure what I should do. Any help would be great. Thank you in advance!

Solution: Go into the BIOS with the USB inserted and locate the boot from file option, then navigate the usb to find the grub efi file and use it to boot.

> Framework Laptop 13 gets its fourth major round of upgraded, modular parts.

Saw this a bit ago but didn't think to post about it

To be clear, this doesn't mean coreboot is available now and what is working for devs includes quite a few binary blobs. It's still progress though and good to see.

It's been 5 months but you did ask me to inform you of anything happening @jackpot@lemmy.ml

Another link from that article shares more info: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Framework-13-AMD-Coreboot-WIP

More info tends to be posted here: https://community.frame.work/t/responded-coreboot-on-the-framework-laptop/791/428

That 2.8K screen looks interesting, I wonder if it works with 2x scaling, and not fractional like the previous Laptop 13 screens.

Okay it does seem to work with 2x scaling! That'd make my experience so much better since a lotta Linux but also Windows apps are still blurry.

Here's all the announcements from the Discord server: > # Introducing the new Framework Laptop 13 with Intel Core Ultra Series 1 processors > > Today we’re excited to announce the newest version of Framework Laptop 13 with the latest Intel® Core™ Ultra Series 1 processors, an optional 13.5” 2880x1920 120 Hz display on both Intel and AMD systems, a new webcam with 9.2MP image sensor, and configurations designed for businesses and professionals with a 3-year warranty. Pre-orders are open now, with shipments starting this August. These are available in all 14 countries we’re currently in, and we’ll be launching in Sweden, Finland, and Denmark this June. We’ve also permanently reduced the prices of our Framework Laptop 13 (AMD Ryzen 7040 Series) systems, making them more accessible than ever. > > We designed Framework Laptop 13 to last, and we’re eager to make it better each year. We’ve upgraded nearly every part since first shipping in 2021, and we read through press reviews and feedback constantly to find ways to improve it further. Our focus this year is on refining the end-to-end experience for both current and new customers, making this the ideal laptop for Linux in addition to Windows, and enabling businesses to enter the world of repairable, customizable computing. We’ve also revamped our software pipeline, with new firmware and driver releases now landing regularly for each product. > > This is our fourth Framework Laptop 13 iteration with Intel processors, and we continue to optimize performance further each time. With Intel Core Ultra Series 1, Intel delivered major improvements in efficiency and battery life, especially on use cases like video playback. With a new graphics architecture, up to 6 Performance cores and 8 Efficient cores, and support for up to a massive 96 GB of DDR5 memory, the new generation drives productivity performance and a huge leap in gaming capability. In integrating this processor, we’ve redesigned our thermal system and tuned fan control algorithms to keep the system cooler while reducing noise. > [image] > The new 2.8k display option with 2880x1920 resolution at 256 PPI makes pixels invisible from a normal viewing distance, resulting in incredibly sharp text and graphics. Even better, that resolution allows for a streamlined experience in Linux through 2:1 display scaling. The 120 Hz refresh rate with variable refresh rate support, 500 nit brightness, 1500:1 contrast, and anti-glare matte surface make this an all-around excellent panel across a range of use cases. There is one oddity with this otherwise ideal display though, which is that the corners are rounded (the top corners by 3mm and bottom corners by 1mm). This is because we repurposed and customized a panel that was originally designed for another company. We’ll share more on how and why we did this in an upcoming technical deep dive blog post. The 2.8k display is a configuration option on DIY Edition, and you can also pick it up in the Marketplace to upgrade any existing Framework Laptop 13. > > > Like the new display, we developed the new webcam with a focus on improving real world usage. Instead of running the new Omnivision 9.2MP image sensor at its native resolution, we use a mode that groups each set of four subpixels together into large, high-sensitivity pixels, much like modern smartphone cameras do. This means we get amazing 1080p performance, especially in low-light conditions. We’ve also moved to lower-noise microphones for better audio clarity. > > For those of you who prefer AMD processors, we’re introducing new configurations of Framework Laptop 13 DIY Edition with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series processors that use the new 2.8k display and webcam along with our high-capacity 61Wh battery. We’ve also lowered the prices of our existing Ryzen 7040 Series configurations and our remaining inventory of 13th Gen Intel Core systems to make Framework Laptop 13 more affordable, with prices now starting at $949 USD for pre-built systems and $799 USD for DIY Edition. > [image] > We’re introducing new customization options alongside all of the system improvements. The SD Expansion Card that we’ve been sharing regular updates on is now available for pre-order, as are four new colors of USB-C Expansion Cards. We have one last bit of good news for Linux users too: you can now configure an English International keyboard with a “super” key instead of the logo from an OS you aren’t using. > > The single biggest surprise we’ve had since starting Framework is how quickly IT Managers came to us requesting longer-lasting, repairable computers for the businesses they support. There are now thousands of businesses switching fully to Framework Laptops. With this generation, we’re expanding our Framework for Business program further, with a set of Framework Laptop 13 configurations with a three year extended limited warranty and Windows 11 Pro with Autopilot support enabled out of the box. Interested businesses and professionals can order directly through our site or reach out to our Framework for Business team to get set up. > > Framework Laptop 13 with Intel Core Ultra Series 1, the new Mainboards, the 2.8k display, the new AMD Ryzen 7040 DIY Edition options, and the business-focused configurations are all pre-orderable today. As always, you can pick up any of the new modules in the Framework Marketplace to upgrade and extend the life of the Framework Laptop you already own. There are a number of competing visions for what the future of computing should be. Ours is one that is grounded in the belief that when we make a computer, it isn’t ours. It’s yours. We can’t wait to build this future with you.