Hi there, I've been wanting a framework for awhile now, just haven't pulled the trigger yet. I was perusing the website today, comparing the price and performance of different configurations, when I realized that the 16 needs a 100w power adapter, 180w if you've got the graphics card.

This is a dumb question, because obviously it would charge fine with the lid closed and idling or turned off. Or I could just upgrade my power adapters. But I have a lot of 65w USB C PD chargers in my house and cars, and I was wondering if anyone has tried using them, and if so how effective is it?

Like, 180w is a lot of power. If I'm just working on spreadsheets or something, I'm imagining it would charge just fine? Under a heavier load I would probably start to slip backwards? Where's the line? Movie watching? Light gaming?

Just food for discussion I guess, I still haven't pulled the trigger haha.

Thanks!

> I've been using a Framework 13 laptop as my main/only computer for a little over 18 months now.

> This is essentially a very personal review. I've broken it down into a summary of My Framework, a short Laptop Autobiography, then The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, and The Rest. If you're impatient then skip to the end with the Bottom Line.

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> Where I'm critical of Framework in this post it's not because I want them to fail. They're a hardware startup that's proven their ability to ship good products, and I know how crushingly tough that is. I'm hopeful that they'll continue to grow into a mature hardware company with a strong maintenance track record, and demonstrated mature in-house development processes. I hope in a few years to write a follow-up post with even more "Good" points and barely a concern.

> In the meantime, I'd encourage almost everyone to consider a Framework for their next laptop - but first read up on whatever features matter most for you.

It makes more sense to me to have the switches appear as red when the device has the ability to record you. When color is used as an indicator for something, the general convention is that red is negative. Meaning that there is a greater possibility of something going wrong when a red indicator is being displayed. You could argue that "webcam is not working for some reason" is a negative, and that seeing the bright red indicator can bring your attention to the switch as a hint to how to fix the issue. I would argue against that by stating that having a webcam record you when you do not want it to is a much bigger potential negative than the webcam not recording when you do want it to.

Also:

• When a traditional video camera displays a red indicator light, that means the camera is recording.
• On the underside of the Framework 16, the expansion module latches are red when disengaged

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When placing a Framework 13 on top of another Framework 13 laptop, the screen will turn off. How come?

I am a noob. I am wondering: are there security issues with buying a second hand Framework laptop (I cannot really afford a new one)?

I am thinking here specifically of people having loaded malicious BIOS or put in extra chips to do…”bad things”…

Im looking for an internal usba plug thing for a wireless mouse. I have access to a 3d printer and am wondering if there is some pcb design i can send off to one of those Chinese manufacturers with a parts list.

Will I need to clean out dust. How would I do this? How often would I need to do this? Are there any good tutorials on how this would be done?

the new 2880 x 1920 just arrived and I'm not sure what to do with the old screen. I'm aware of plenty of software options I could use, but I don't know how to hook this old display up to something with a CPU (or what search for). advice?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ndlug.org/post/1014937 > I recently spent some time with the Framework 13 laptop, evaluating it with the new Intel Core Ultra 7 processor and the AMD Ryzen 7 7480U. It felt like the perfect opportunity to test how a handful of games ran on Windows 11 and Fedora 40. I was genuinely surprised by the results!

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> The Framework 13 is perfectly capable of gaming even with its integrated graphics, provided you’re willing to compromise by lowering the resolution and quality presets for more demanding games. (It’s also a testament to how far AMD’s APUs have come in the past decade.)

Summary of results:

• Shadow of the Tomb Raider: Linux wins
• Total War: Warhammer III: Windows wins
• Cyberpunk 2077: Linux wins
• Forza Horizon 5: Windows wins

> These results are an interesting slice of the Linux vs Windows gaming picture, but certainly not representative of the entire landscape. A few shorts years ago, however, I never would have dreamed I’d be writing an article where even two games on Linux are outperforming their Windows counterparts.

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I’ve just ordered a Framework 13 at work to test out and I was wondering if anyone else had any experience using Framework in a business?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18838538 >Wuuttup. I'm here complaining again about Framework's Linux unfriendly display. The new one this time. > > https://frame.work/products/display-kit?v=FRANJF0001 > > # Old display, 2256 x 1504 (3:2) > > ## GNOME > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 100% scale + large text accessibility > - Nothing looks blurry > - Most apps scale appropriately > - Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty) > > 125% scale > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > ## Plasma > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 125% scale + Apply scaling themselves > - Nothing looks blurry > - Most apps scale appropriate > - Some apps can’t scale themselves and look tiny (Picard) > > 125% scale + Scaled by system > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > # New display, 2880 x 1920 (3:2) > > ## GNOME > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 100% scale + large text accessibility > - Nothing looks blurry > - Most apps scale appropriately > - Some apps don’t respect GNOME’s large text setting (Alacritty) > - Everything is tiny > > 150% scale > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > ## Plasma > > 100% scale > - Nothing looks blurry > - Everything is tiny > - Unusable > > 150% scale + Apply scaling themselves > - Nothing looks blurry > - Some apps can’t scale themselves, but look a little better here? (Picard) > > 150% scale + Scaled by system > - Most apps look blurry (Picard, Firefox, Spotify, Alacritty) > > 200% scale > - Everything is way too big > - Unusable > > # tl;dr > In the old display, GNOME at 100% + large text was the best compromise. > In the new display, Plasma at 150% + Apply scaling themselves is the best compromise. > > Interestingly, Picard scaling itself looks super tiny in the old display, but in the new display it looks... better. It's still not correctly scaled like native Wayland apps, but it's better. > > # Warning > If you can't stomach moving from GNOME to Plasma, then 🚨 DO NOT BUY THE NEW DISPLAY 🚨. The new display is worse for GNOME. > > # Once again > I am once again begging Framework to just give us a damn regular DPI display that works! Without workarounds. Without forcing users on specific DEs. Without forcing users to stop using their favorite apps. This new display has basically all of the flaws as the previous one.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18608554

Hi, I was thinking of getting a Framework 13 and putting Linux on it.

So I was looking at the Ubuntu installation instructions and it says a "Storage Expansion Card" is required to install. I click "view" to see what that is, and the item page says it's a 250GB Type. The URL provided goes to a dead link, but I think that means a "250GB (2nd Gen) Storage Expansion Card" for $45 on the configuration page. I've installed Ubuntu before, but I just used a plain USB stick, and the instructions aren't clear on whether that's enough or whether I need to use their specific drive for some reason.

So my question is: when I'm configuring a Framework 13, do I need to add a 250GB expansion card, or can I just use a USB stick that I already have (to install Ubuntu)? Thanks.

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I recently got my framework 16 and took off my trackpad to inspect what could be causing it to stick up and saw this. Compared to the other side, the plastic here doesn't look straight and plastic is deformed by the metal. Is this something fixable or would I need to buy a new midplate?

I'm curious about when we might see the next AMD refresh for the Framework Laptop 13. The current top-spec option is the Ryzen 7 7840U, which was introduced in early 2023 and started shipping in Q3 2023. Given AMD's latest offerings and Framework's history of timely updates, soon we might expect to see a new mainboard featuring AMD's newer CPUs, like those from the Ryzen 8040 series or the upcoming Ryzen 9000 series.

• Ryzen 7 7840U:
  • Architecture: Zen 4
  • Cores/Threads: 8/16
  • Base/Boost Clock: 3.3 GHz / 5.1 GHz
  • TDP: 15-28W
  • Integrated GPU: Radeon 780M

Potential New CPUs:

• Ryzen 8040 Series: Higher base and boost clocks, improved power efficiency, and enhanced RDNA 2 or RDNA 3 integrated graphics.
• Ryzen 9000 Series: Zen 5 architecture, up to 16 cores and 32 threads, improved AI processing capabilities, and better power efficiency.

Framework has consistently updated its laptops with the latest Intel and AMD CPUs, so it seems we might be due for a refresh soon.

What are your expectations for the next AMD mainboard refresh?

I have not been able to notice a pattern as to why/when this happens. But after the black screen for a few seconds, it comes back to the login page.

I've updated the bios to the newest version with no success, would love some assistance at least debugging this. This is my relevant system information:

!System Specs

Currently looking at a DIY AMD 7640U, 1x16GB RAM, 250GB storage, 1 USB-C, 2 USB-A, 1 HDMI.

My use case will mostly entail note taking in class. I've got a built PC at home.

But I'm not a hardware guy, would I be better served w/ different CPU or RAM set up in your opinions? I've mostly picked bottom tier specs but is there anything in your opinions that is worth splurging on, all things considered?

> Preorders are fulfilled, it’s now on sale — is it better?

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I've somehow managed to bend a RAM clip so it can't clip anymore because it's blocking itself. I haven't been able to bend it back. Any suggestions?

Even without the search, those two were the only small SSDs I could find under "Memory and Storage".

I assembled my new Framework laptop 16 yesterday and tested it out with a live Linux Mint environment.

Today I tried to install Linux Mint to a storage expansion card. During the instillation, I had to create a secure boot password for the codecs. When partitioning, I made a 32GB Swap and had the rest of the storage as root. During the instillation, there was a fatal error. I tried unmounting the partitions on the card to create a new table to try again (using fdisk). This also gave an error, so I decided to reboot.

When rebooting, the error shown in the image was displayed and then the computer is powered off. Trying to turn it on without the live USB inserted goes to bios. I tried re imaging the USB, but the Framework still displays the same error. I tried disabling secure boot; same result. I tried factory resetting secure boot; same result. I tried booting without the expansion card; same result.

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Failed to open \EFI\BOOT\mmx64.efi - Not Found Failed to load image ###: Not Found Failed to start MokManager: Not Found Something has gone seriously wrong: Import_mok_state() failed: Not Found

The "#"s are completely solid (or possibly checked) characters.

I tried creating a debian USB, but using that gave the same error.

I'm unsure what I should do. Any help would be great. Thank you in advance!

Solution: Go into the BIOS with the USB inserted and locate the boot from file option, then navigate the usb to find the grub efi file and use it to boot.

> Framework Laptop 13 gets its fourth major round of upgraded, modular parts.

Saw this a bit ago but didn't think to post about it

To be clear, this doesn't mean coreboot is available now and what is working for devs includes quite a few binary blobs. It's still progress though and good to see.

It's been 5 months but you did ask me to inform you of anything happening @jackpot@lemmy.ml

Another link from that article shares more info: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Framework-13-AMD-Coreboot-WIP

More info tends to be posted here: https://community.frame.work/t/responded-coreboot-on-the-framework-laptop/791/428

That 2.8K screen looks interesting, I wonder if it works with 2x scaling, and not fractional like the previous Laptop 13 screens.

Okay it does seem to work with 2x scaling! That'd make my experience so much better since a lotta Linux but also Windows apps are still blurry.

Here's all the announcements from the Discord server: > # Introducing the new Framework Laptop 13 with Intel Core Ultra Series 1 processors > > Today we’re excited to announce the newest version of Framework Laptop 13 with the latest Intel® Core™ Ultra Series 1 processors, an optional 13.5” 2880x1920 120 Hz display on both Intel and AMD systems, a new webcam with 9.2MP image sensor, and configurations designed for businesses and professionals with a 3-year warranty. Pre-orders are open now, with shipments starting this August. These are available in all 14 countries we’re currently in, and we’ll be launching in Sweden, Finland, and Denmark this June. We’ve also permanently reduced the prices of our Framework Laptop 13 (AMD Ryzen 7040 Series) systems, making them more accessible than ever. > > We designed Framework Laptop 13 to last, and we’re eager to make it better each year. We’ve upgraded nearly every part since first shipping in 2021, and we read through press reviews and feedback constantly to find ways to improve it further. Our focus this year is on refining the end-to-end experience for both current and new customers, making this the ideal laptop for Linux in addition to Windows, and enabling businesses to enter the world of repairable, customizable computing. We’ve also revamped our software pipeline, with new firmware and driver releases now landing regularly for each product. > > This is our fourth Framework Laptop 13 iteration with Intel processors, and we continue to optimize performance further each time. With Intel Core Ultra Series 1, Intel delivered major improvements in efficiency and battery life, especially on use cases like video playback. With a new graphics architecture, up to 6 Performance cores and 8 Efficient cores, and support for up to a massive 96 GB of DDR5 memory, the new generation drives productivity performance and a huge leap in gaming capability. In integrating this processor, we’ve redesigned our thermal system and tuned fan control algorithms to keep the system cooler while reducing noise. > [image] > The new 2.8k display option with 2880x1920 resolution at 256 PPI makes pixels invisible from a normal viewing distance, resulting in incredibly sharp text and graphics. Even better, that resolution allows for a streamlined experience in Linux through 2:1 display scaling. The 120 Hz refresh rate with variable refresh rate support, 500 nit brightness, 1500:1 contrast, and anti-glare matte surface make this an all-around excellent panel across a range of use cases. There is one oddity with this otherwise ideal display though, which is that the corners are rounded (the top corners by 3mm and bottom corners by 1mm). This is because we repurposed and customized a panel that was originally designed for another company. We’ll share more on how and why we did this in an upcoming technical deep dive blog post. The 2.8k display is a configuration option on DIY Edition, and you can also pick it up in the Marketplace to upgrade any existing Framework Laptop 13. > > > Like the new display, we developed the new webcam with a focus on improving real world usage. Instead of running the new Omnivision 9.2MP image sensor at its native resolution, we use a mode that groups each set of four subpixels together into large, high-sensitivity pixels, much like modern smartphone cameras do. This means we get amazing 1080p performance, especially in low-light conditions. We’ve also moved to lower-noise microphones for better audio clarity. > > For those of you who prefer AMD processors, we’re introducing new configurations of Framework Laptop 13 DIY Edition with AMD Ryzen 7040 Series processors that use the new 2.8k display and webcam along with our high-capacity 61Wh battery. We’ve also lowered the prices of our existing Ryzen 7040 Series configurations and our remaining inventory of 13th Gen Intel Core systems to make Framework Laptop 13 more affordable, with prices now starting at $949 USD for pre-built systems and $799 USD for DIY Edition. > [image] > We’re introducing new customization options alongside all of the system improvements. The SD Expansion Card that we’ve been sharing regular updates on is now available for pre-order, as are four new colors of USB-C Expansion Cards. We have one last bit of good news for Linux users too: you can now configure an English International keyboard with a “super” key instead of the logo from an OS you aren’t using. > > The single biggest surprise we’ve had since starting Framework is how quickly IT Managers came to us requesting longer-lasting, repairable computers for the businesses they support. There are now thousands of businesses switching fully to Framework Laptops. With this generation, we’re expanding our Framework for Business program further, with a set of Framework Laptop 13 configurations with a three year extended limited warranty and Windows 11 Pro with Autopilot support enabled out of the box. Interested businesses and professionals can order directly through our site or reach out to our Framework for Business team to get set up. > > Framework Laptop 13 with Intel Core Ultra Series 1, the new Mainboards, the 2.8k display, the new AMD Ryzen 7040 DIY Edition options, and the business-focused configurations are all pre-orderable today. As always, you can pick up any of the new modules in the Framework Marketplace to upgrade and extend the life of the Framework Laptop you already own. There are a number of competing visions for what the future of computing should be. Ours is one that is grounded in the belief that when we make a computer, it isn’t ours. It’s yours. We can’t wait to build this future with you.

Just a heads up for anyone looking for a backpack that comfortably fits the FW16, especially with the GPU installed. I received my FW16 last week, have spent the week trying to find a backpack that fits. I had a few that came close, but all were either uncomfortably tight on the GPU or far too tight on the edges (i.e. not likely to offer much drop protection). I eventually landed on the STM Dux 30L. It is designed for up to a 17" laptop, which seems to work well for the FW16's deep GPU. Hopefully if someone else is in the same boat I've just saved them some research. It is an expensive backpack however. That part still makes me cry.

I just got my Framework 16 DIY version and I can’t install the primary SSD because there is a captive screw in the place that holds the SSD down and I can’t remove it so the SSD doesn’t stay held down. There is a screw for the secondary SSD and it comes out. Any ideas?

Update: I got it out, anyone else with this issue, try and pull the screw out it’s very small on the threads so it just pulls out and pushes back in when the drive is seated.

I'm ridiculously excited. After being held up in customs for a few days, my FW16 DIY Edition (no GPU) has finally arrived. Unfortunately, I've got the rest of the workday to finish before I can get started.

For "vitamins", I grabbed a 1TB SK Hynix P31 Gold m.2 2280 (still deciding what 2230 to get) and 32GB (2x16GB) of G.Skill Ripjaws DDR5 CL40@5600. I haven't had anything so modern in decades and am incredibly excited to see what fun I can get up to with so much RAM.

First order of business, after doing hardware tests to ensure that nothing needs an RMA, and updating any firmware, is to install my NixOS base system and get it setup as a QEMU/KVM hypervisor so that the real fun of trying out the list of recommended and esoteric distros that the Linux community suggested can start. Once I get bored of that, it'll be time to start designing the parts to transform the machine into a hardware hacking/tinkering cyberdeck.

What are you folks doing or planning to do with yours?

No big news, just stumbled on the website of Fedora Workstation and did a double take on the laptop pictured. Sure looks like the Framework!

Edit: Kubuntu22.04 seems to work. Thanks for your help.

I've tried to install plasma onto my new Framework 16. When I installed kubuntu directly, then after the second reboot, my laptop didn't start up again. It shows the Framework logo, but then nothing. Then I've tried to install Ubuntu first, and everything worked, but after installing KDE afterwards and rebooting, I've the same problem. Even esc doesn't bring anything up. What am I doing wrong? Does anybody have experience?

I've used Ubuntu/Kubuntu 24.04