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I genuinely thought this was true in middle school and got confused when my friends didn't want that (it was still true for me though I'm totally cis you can tell by the way I am)
- Yeah, I was pretty much convinced of the same thing while still in school: How could my class mates not want to change their gender? It's the most amazing thing in the world to do! Who would say no to that?
  
  If it was temporary then sure why not for a day or a week. As a permanent decision with the current level of technology, I don't see the point at all.

If this is a joke, I don't get it. A lot of people don't really care much about what their gender is
- The joke is that the "egg" is under the impression that they are cis and that every cis male must have those same feelings.
- On a surface level, sure, but most cis people never really have to grapple much with their gender identity.
  
  So much this.
  It is the very definition of being cis to not understand wanting to be a different gender than the one being assigned at birth. People who are uncomfortable with their assigned gender are not cis.
  But many need a while to realize that other people do not feel the way they do.
  
  Depends on what grapple means. Very few want to be a different gender than they were born, but practically everybody has been told to behave differently because "boys do X" or "girls do Y". People just want to do whatever their interests predispose them to do or express themselves in some specific way that society often deems wrong. So yeah I haven't ever really "wanted to be a girl" ever but a million times I wish people would leave me the fuck alone when they think I'm not being a man correctly.
  
  Most cis people are cis people. Like, that's the definition of it, right?

i legitimately believe this _{still cis tho}
- Do you really want to still be cis tho?
  
  meirl

Sorry, nope. Do not want.
Specifically, do not want the following:
menstruation, cramps, PMS etc
beauty and dress standards
condescension
social expectations of conduct
lower pay and sometimes a hostile work environment (can go for anyone depending on the job - see male nurses)
clothing without pockets - you can take my cargo pants from my cold dead hands.
Do want (but does not in any way make up for above):
more colors and patterns in my clothes
giving birth is kinda cool
- Don't forget to put "fruity scents" in the pro column. Women/girls get all the great smelling perfumes, body scents, soaps. Still rather be a boy because of all the negatives though
- Same. I also like being stronger.
- Me too, I agree. Except with the birth part.
- Girls can wear cargo pants...

I want to be treated like a girl in certain situations. But I'm keeping my cock n balls. 😤
- Plenty of girls do tho

why would we want cooties?! so wrong!!
- No no, by becoming girl you become immune to cooties so its actually a cootie preventing procedure.
  
  How is becoming a vector prevention?
- We'll give this one a bit more time.
- I like pooping! I couldn't lose that!

I wish I had the social support of girls and their close friends.
Otherwise, nah. Always liked who and what I am. But much love and good wishes to those who don't.

I mean that should be pretty obvious. Why would you want to have an oily face? Why would anyone want to look like a rectangle and look like an ogre? For real tho, who?
EDIT: changed likw to like (written in italic 🇮🇹🥖🥐)
- I had quite a few friends who were girls who struggled with all of those things, that's not a healthy view of womanhood
  
  What exactly do you mean? The properties I described were supposed to be directed at the masculine characteristics I don't like. Did you perhaps mean that some of these are not masc-exclusive?
- Why resemble a yeti when you could have TITS!? Amongst many other quality of life changes

And make 30% less!?!

I mean, I really don't. I'm not particularly gung-ho about being male, but I don't think I'd be happier as a girl because my problems stem from socioeconomic stresses, rather than anything to do with my gender perception or body image.

How did you all figure this out for yourself? I mean, what made it click?
- I knew something was up when a friend came out to me and I realised it was possible to be something other than your assigned gender.
  5 years later, I'm reading an article about a non-binary person and bam, it all made sense.
  
  I wish I could have learned about nonbinary identity much earlier. Like back when I was having a crisis about my gender in high school I only knew the full binary MtF and FtM existed. But whenever I thought about it being a girl felt just as wrong as being a boy to me. Just for different reasons. No matter how hard I tried I couldn't reconcile not wanting to be a boy, periodically wishing I had been born a girl, but not actually wanting to be a girl.
  Wasn't until about 12 years later at like 26 when I met my now wife and she told me all that sounded like nonbinary and I suddenly had things to Google. I wish I could have had a chance to actually transition before fully growing into being 6'2" and built like a fridge in a fursuit. But like now I'm 33, I had other medical issues that I didn't want to try piling a potential transition on top of, and I'm not even sure what realistic transition goals I could even have let alone have a chance of attaining.
- WillStealYourUsername has already given a very good overview, to add to that...
  It is a highly individual process and while many trans people share certain experiences, no two trans people will have exactly the same kind of journey.
  While the public perception of trans people is very much focused on the rather rare cases of young children who will insist on being trans from an early age on. While these cases definitely exist, far more trans people are going through a gradual process of realization. There may be a final "egg crack" (the moment of final realization), but it is usually preceded by a slow process of smaller realizations and it is nowhere near a linear process...
  As WillStealYourUsername describes so well, in hindsight all the signs and individual quirks make sense, but most people have to attain a certain level of self-acceptance before being able to recognize the various symptoms for what they are.
  In my personal case, it was an intense jealousy of fem people that would never go away and culminated in a moment where I had an emotional meltdown over a fictional character who transitioned from male to female in their storyline. That's when I finally realized that I could do the same thing if I got my shit together and accepted being trans.
- Define "figure out." I figured out I disliked being male by considering what I liked and disliked about myself. All the positives were more feminine or neutral, while all the negatives were masculine or masc coded. I decided on NB, but it still felt off. I didn't want to be considered male, but I didn't know if I wanted to be female.
  For years I couldn't parse my feelings when I imagined myself as a woman. I felt better, but I struggle with even identifying emotions, so it wasn't clear enough to convince me. Eventually, I imagined myself as a mother: being pregnant, giving birth, raising a child that was my own. It felt so euphoric that I broke down crying because I knew I could never go back.
  I still took another 5-6 months to start the process of coming out. I was still uncertain and terrified when I finally took the leap of faith. I was on death's door mental health wise. I realized I could not carry on any longer as a man, yet it still took so much effort to make the best decision I've ever made.
  It was night and day. I never thought I could be so happy or love life like that. It's a miracle that I made it 23 years feeling like I wasn't alive.
  
  Thanks for sharing. I think maybe my dysphoria isn't as strong. I guess I'd gravitate more towards being non binary than fully identifying with being a man/woman (what does it even mean). But I'm not sure, I feel physically fine in my body, but I guess I'm still questioning a lot of things.

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