Going 100km/h in a 30km/h zone

For reference for those using freedom units that's roughly 60 mph in a 20 mph zone
Bonus. In eagle burger land that will either land you:
$200 fine and 2 points on your license (varies on state)
shot in the face (dwb and reaching for a ~~gun~~ wallet)
nothing (hello fellow patrolman, have a great day killing pet dogs)
Source: I'm a red-blooded freedom loving eagle burger citizen
- While true, it’s always the insurance and fees that get you. This is why I don’t understand states that post their speeding fines: they’re low enough to not stop anyone, but also don’t give the true cost
  Here in Massachusetts
  Your first speeding ticket … lose your Excellent Driver Plus Discount and see your premiums rise and stay higher for six years!
  Plus that kind of excessive speed will almost certainly also get you reckless driving
  For surcharge purposes, reckless driving is treated the same as DUI [or a major at-fault accident]. This could result in a huge insurance premium increase.
  
  Okay so i know you're replying to the first point, and everything you've said is valid.
  However, I mentioned the inherent racism and corruption that exists in US law enforcement in a very tongue-in-cheek way, and your reply of "while true" was just… oh man, yeah, chef's kiss
  But yes, it's the collateral affects that really get you. Plus doing 60 in a school zone can absolutely get your ass handed to you in a very real and legally binding way lol
  (For those in countries with functioning governments, in the US 30kph is usually reserved for school zones during restricted hours)
- Freedom units? You mean the ones used by your British masters?
  
  If the Brits were still our masters we'd have a single player healthcare system. Still have an odd fixation on the monarchy tho.
  America, when chavs get money and declare independence
  
  Laughs in Marshall Plan
- People regularly do that speed in my neighborhood that has a 25mph limit. The only time I see cops around is when they're looking for the tweaker down the street so they can arrest him for whatever shit he stole this week, have him rat out other tweakers, and immediately release him to do the same thing again later.
  
  Catch and release is vital for a healthy ecosystem. It allows for sport catching without impacting breeding programs. Done correctly, a sportsman can take progressive trophy photos throughout the quarry's life
- In the eagle burger state of SheetzWawa you lose your license if you're doing more than double the speed limit.
  
  That's probably true for your neighbor to the West as well. I stopped speeding when gas hit $3/gallon lol
- I was in traffic court in the 1990s and saw a guy get sent to jail for driving 75 miles per hour on a 25 miles per hour road.
  This was in Virginia. The person refused a lawyer. He looked like he was maybe 22. The look of surprise on his face when he was led off to jail was priceless.
- In what state is 40MPH over not a minimum 4 point ticket? Even in incredibly lax Michigan, 10 over puts you at 2 points and 15+ is 4 points, and that's only on limited access highways. It's jurisdiction dependent, but you can usually add 2 points to each of those if it's off the interstate. They're also almost definitely going to hit you with a reckless driving charge, especially in a 25MPH zone.
  Burgerland can be pretty lax when it comes to speeding and reckless driving, and you might be able to work the fine/points down to that with a good lawyer and having zero prior infractions, but acting like a $200 fine and 2 points for doing 60 in a 20 is normal is just a flat out falsehood.
  
  A couple of years ago, the police here stopped a pickup truck driver going about 105MPH in a 55MPH zone, although people routinely drive 70. The driver just claimed that they weren't used to the powerful engine, and the cops gave them a warning and sent them on their way.
  (Wisconsin, for the record.)
  
  TBH i was just making up numbers, it was more of a shitpost than anything. Yeah sixty in a twenty will get your more than a slap on the wrist for sure
  Unless you're a cop lol

https://12ft.io/https://www.stern.de/gesellschaft/berlin--strafbefehl-fuer-mutmasslichen-totraser-vom-savignyplatz--33836922.html
In Berlin a driver went 73 in a 30 zone, passed a truck on the right using a bus lane, and murdered a cyclist.
Three years later, he still walks free and it looks like he always will.
- Noted: if you want to murder someone, use a car.
  
  In Germany

- So I can steal a car from someone I don't like, speed in front of a camera, and their car will be destroyed?
  
  Not a problem. In that case you'd also have theft charges and would be liable for the car's value in civil court (or whatever the Danish equivalent is).
- It was a huge thing a few years ago when it was implemented because we caught a few lambos joy riding from Germany up through Jutland
  Nice one
- Same reason for swiss.

im all for it except for literally scrapping a perfectly good vehicle
they must know crushing and manufacturing a whole entire new car to replace it is costly as fuck to the environment and our pockets? putting it in the hands of someone who might need it is literally free.
- In Latvia we have solved this for now, we're just sending the confiscated cars to Ukraine.
- Sends a great fucking message though.
  
  i dont care about messages in this context, if we crush cars without an alternative we will just force people to indebt themselves with new cars, and that just makes the problem worse. early obsolescence is not the answer.
  
  Also, could lead to perverse incentives if they re-sold the vehicles or gifted them to people (who may or may not happen to know people who help run the program).
- Crush it with the driver inside it. One less car needed and eliminates the chance on recidivism!

And not even enough. As a society we're condoning too much when it's about cars.
Going 100 in a 30 should be charged as "attempted massacre" if stopped. Because it's not an "accident" anymore when you go that fast.
And driving that fast in a residential area without being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, should be an aggravating circumstance and not the opposite.
- I wonder what the finnish Mayday psychosis guy got for driving and crashing his Mercedes at like 180 km/h through a narrow and extremely busy street (30 or 40 km/h zone) got. He didn't hurt anyone IIRC but he also could have killed like 20 people. I'll edit this comment when find the video and the verdict.
  edit1: the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpNI2BQYrE&pp=ygUSdmFwcHUgbWVyc3Uga29sYXJp
  edit2: ok he "only" drove at 100km/h and injured 2 people. He was accused of 11 cases of attempted manslaughter among other things. All charges dropped.
  Apparently he had just proposed to his bride, she said yes, it was the happiest day of his life and he completely snapped. No drugs or alcohol involved.
- So dwi should not be an aggravating circumstance?
  
  Both

Only 2 years suspension is a slap on the wrist for what is essentially an attempt at stochastic murder. We need to stop treating driving licenses as a universal right and stop clearly unfit people from sitting behind the wheel.
- If we stop treating driving as functionally a right we have to stop treating owning a car as functionally mandatory to having a job and being able to feed and house yourself.
  What do you do in the US if you need a job but don’t have a license? You drive anyways and just deal with the risk. The problem is that people HAVE to drive so we can’t really in good faith take the ability to drive away from most people as most when pushed to their limit couldn’t stop driving if they wanted to.
- i'm of the opinion that we should have a 2 strike system, first strike means you have to re-do your license from the ground up including any costs and undergo psychological evaluation to see if it's safe to give you a second chance, and second strike means you simply do not get to drive again, tough shit.
  A suspended license should however come with a free public transport ticket such that you can get around reasonably, add the cost needed to finance that to the price of getting a license in the first place if that's what it takes.

Where I live (Australia) it's $962 (€586) and a 12 month licence suspension. $2,212 if you do it in a truck.
What's interesting is that if you turn your head to look at a phone in your passenger's hand while stationary at a red light, it's a $545 fine and 4 points off your 12-point licence.
- based shitting on trucks
  
  Honestly can’t get enough of that, I am so tired of people driving around vehicles optimized for murdering children for no reason.
- So you're not allowed to look in the passenger's general vicinity at all then?
- Drives me up the wall when people talking "oh it's all just revenue rasing!" No, it's no where near harsh enough.
  
  I'm not a fan of cameras popping up in 40 zones that were once 60 zones... but at least the speeding fines can scale by severity.
  Things like phones and running red lights, are absolute. You can inadvertently crawl forward at 1km/h, trip the red light camera, and stop again without actually obstucting oncoming traffic. The offence (and punishment) is no different to blasting through at full-speed 10 seconds after it has turned red.
  While using a phone while stopped at a red light is bad, it is nowhere near as bad as sending a text at highway speed. The fine will also apply if the phone is turned off, or you're just taking it out of your pocket and passing it to a passenger. Absolutely no chill with it.

Going 100 in a 30 zone means you don't care about killing a child if one happens to step out on the street.
Boggles my mind how you're able to ever legally drive again after that.
- That will kill adult too
  
  Not familiar with how EU countries decide what speeds to put where, but if they are anything like the US, they might be referring to the fact that 30 KPH is basically what a school zone would have posted, but yeah speed limits exist for your safety and the safety of others, if it's 30KPH, there's probably a reason.
  
  True, but it's more emotive to talk about killing kids.
  5mph is enough to flatten an unwary rat but nobody's putting speed limits out that are that low.

Even as a car owner, I have no problems accepting Swiss-level regulations for this kind of criminal behavior.

Austria passed a law recently to confiscate and auction off your vehicle in cases like this.
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- The problem is most cars are given back after being impounded for a bit, because you have to really speed for confiscation to stick. 80km/h over in the city (50km/h limit... so 130km/h in the city...) and 90km/h on the Autobahn (130km/h limit) or Country roads (100km/h limit) so it's fairly toothless.
  
  In the eyes of the law, ownership is one of the most fundamental and strongest rights, i'm surprised they managed to pull this off in general without it being unconstitutional

Switzerland is based af

Meanwhile, in the US, going 74 mph in a 25 and killing someone? No consequences as long as you're a cop.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jaahnavi_Kandula
- Fuck cops.

Germany sometimes seems like the America of Europe.
- As a finn that had to deal with a week long Erasmus university intense course with mostly german masters students... Yeah, americans of the Europe was the exact impression I got. Everyone else from all the other participant nationalities were respectful and professional, but the german students just couldnt.
  Gods, I fucking hated to see the eyes of shame in the german professors faces watching their students go through their shenannigans and fits. My previous stereotype of germans as a nationality or as a culture being rational and collected died very quickly during that week.
  Sorry for any germans reading this, but I consider you as the Americans of the EU after that experience.
  
  There's a reason i tend to dislike interacting with germans online. When they mainly speak english they're usually fine but with german communities I haven't had great experiences. I mostly just pretend to not be german.
  We even have our own Texas (Bavaria), there must be a connection.
- With better beer and less nazis.
- I thought the UK had that honour.
  
  I dunno. Germany seems to have a more American-like car culture than most of Europe, and they have an out of control banking system in the form of Deutsche Bank (Trump's personal favorite). I'm looking at this from afar, but Germany seems to love repeating our mistakes.

All fines should be income dependent. Especially for all flavours of corporation, in which case there should be no upper limit. If the corp goes bankrupt because they broke the law hard enough it should either go out of business or become a public entity if it's vital.

Weil Autoland Deutschland, darum.

Germany knows whats up.
Don't like the loud kid next door? Run it over with your car. Your wife left you? Kill a bunch of pedestrians to blow off steam. You are below 18 years old and don't have a car? Fuck off, your age is a YOU-problem.
After we build that one more lane we will be even greater than the USA.

Autoland 🚘🇩🇪
- I was drove through germany and was stopped by tge autobahn polizei. I didn't know the tempo limit was 120 in this specific spot and went like 180 or faster. I talked to the cops and he asked me if i wanted to pay cash or whatever. I was a bit shocked and told him that i don't have a whole lot of money on me. It was like 100 something euros. I thought i was looking at a 2000+ euro fee.

The first kid is free.

in my country they just give you a fine

Here in America they'll never do this, because it is everyone's patriotic duty to fork over enormous amounts of money to corporate conglomerates. Unless they're rich.

*edit - one day I'll learn to reply to the child comment, not the parent. But today is not that day!

I don't think there will be much left to sell

The first makes money with cars. The second makes money with train - at leat sometimes.