Who have logs of how users vote?
Who have logs of how users vote?
Besides it's a very important question for our privacy, I suspect some of my comments getting downvoted at set periods of time from other accounts. I don't understand how the fediverse work and what I'm asking is who has vote logs? Who I can ask, if a bot, like on reddit, got dedicated to downvote every post from one user. How to avoid vote brigading on here? Can it be automated?
I'm not pissed and I do know I post literal shit sometimes. It's just I'm wondering, if our fedieverse have machanics against that.
I think you should stop worrying about pointless internet points that don’t matter to anyone.
Vote brigading matters. If you're subscribed to a 'controversial' community and every post gets downvoted to oblivion, you and other subscribers who sort by 'hot/top' won't see the post unless they go directly to the community.
This slowly kills the community, even if its users are active on Lemmy.
I'm not. I only care about it at times if I'm not sure if my edgy joke lands right.
The problem is, here I want to stay anonymous. If I share an unique meme from c/risa on some other network e.g. discord, or even phone number-attached TG\FB\IG\whatever, reverse image search and then going to the upvotes makes it easy to narrow it down to who I am here. Easier, than watching packet sizes of said images via ISP or breaking into my phone\PC, and it can be done without any paperwork.
I'm yet to say something worth a notice on this or other accounts, I haven't shared secret schemes of warplanes like they do on WarThunder forums, but I'm very dissatisfied with how my state's doing, and there are laws making my critique a criminal offence. Yeah, right, they are this fragile. It won't stop me, but it concerns me that we, as Lemmings, think it's not that public, but kbiners see upvotes, instance admins see both, and a federated instance by your local CIA-thing can vaccuum it into their database once federated.
Compared to Reddit, Lemmy is better. But while Reddit needs to accept a request from authorities before giving up this aspect of one person's internet life, Lemmy requires a pretty simple data-mining server, and it'd suck in everyone's history.
I think it's inescapable with all this federating stuff. But it is a thing to keep in mind.
The problem is, here I want to stay anonymous
All social media by nature isn't. You can only try to not make it associable with your IRL identity
IMO public vote data is a small price to pay for not being targeted by ads and followed all over the internet, considering the alternatives are non-federated ad platforms that watch how long you spend scrolling, looking at specific items etc, altering your feed & suggestions to make them more money...
there are laws making my critique a criminal offence. Yeah, right, they are this fragile [...] and a federated instance by your local CIA-thing can vaccuum it into their database once federated
Just be mindful of what you post - sign up at an instance located overseas, don't interact with communities for your geographic region, don't post pictures. Won't stop a subpoena, but layer Tor on top and the origin is unknown. Won't stop data mining, but if there's no geographic hints in your post history they are SOL IMO
I think the instance admins might have access to this via their database.
Do you mean my home instance or where I participate from it?
I think you can see it from any instance that's federated with you. I am an instance admin for an instance where I am the only user, and I can see who is upvoting and downvoting you, who has a different home instance and is posting on a third instance.
Theoretically, you could create your own instance just to view this information.
Though, I am not a huge fan of making this information publicly visible because I think it will discourage people from voting if they know everyone can see how they voted. If you wanted to just check it for yourself, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
~~We do not. Who voted on what is not stored at all. There’s not a database table for it nor is it logged in the logs. ~~
I am apparently too sick to be commenting on here. Comment likes are stored in the
comment_liketable (I was looking forvotefor some reaason...).
This is absolutely not true. I just verified in my database that I can see how everyone voted on your comment. I can see that @Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de and @snowe@programming.dev (you) upvoted this comment, and that @dandroid@dandroid.app (me) downvoted this comment.
Edit: more people voted since my comment, and I can see all them, but I don't want to put those people on blast. I wrote a very short SQL query to get me this information for any comment id. It took about 3 minutes with zero previous knowledge of the lemmy database.
If nothing is stored, how are users prevented from voting multiple times?
Ah, ok. Thanks.
Every admin of every instance, with a little finagling, can see them. At least that was the case a few months ago.
For upvotes, just use Kbin.
For this thread: https://kbin.social/m/asklemmy@lemmy.ml/t/615424/Who-have-logs-of-how-users-vote/favourites
For downvotes, you need your own instance
You can see down votes on Kbin. The reduces are down votes.
kbin only shows downvotes from kbin users, not from lemmy users.
OP is on Lemmy, it does not work (I tried in the past)
There's already examples of social networks that have upvotes and downvotes public. Besides kbin.social, which isn't the most popular, there are some that have existed for a long time outside of the English speaking world, like meneane.net
Admins and instance owners will be seeing that information, and given how badly some of them behave without any remorse, I don't see any reason why that privilege shouldn't just be made accessible for all. Otherwise you have no way to judge downvotes, which just essentially makes them useless except for current thread sorting.
See who makes it, and you can generally get a sense if they are making a downvote honestly, just circlejerking it, or a high likelihood of an alt because a dead zombie account that hasn't made a comment in forever suddenly decides to downvote in a deeply nested debate. In my experience, there is a high correlation of people who want anonymous downvotes and people who don't want to be called out for their shit, even when they are admins who are constantly peeking to see who's downvoting them.
It's clearly not the doomsday that the naysayers say allowing it will be.
I would also like to know this as I have noticed patterns in my comments where suddenly all my comments drop by one point, as if someone is mass-downvoting me.