"We're totally different sides!"

Don't remember the last time the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse and deporting them to war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.

This reeks of fucking shitpost right-wing propaganda.

Edit: here come all the "but the US/CIA did all this fucked up stuff to other countries under Dems, too!"

JFC, the current "president" who is GOP literally yells about wanting to deport/arrest political opponents, censor TV personalities (e.g. Colbert, Fallon, etc), openly calls to suppress political opposition in voting, openly supports ignoring the courts when they interfere with his blatantly unconstitutional actions, etc etc .

Yes, the Dems aren't fucking innocent, but to pretend they're the same as a party that's openly trying to "take back the Nazi word" is fucking insane.

war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.
Damn I wonder why Libya is like that!
You absolute ghouls literally don't see foreigners as human
- I dont think there is a lib alive who remembers the dems role in the destruction of Libya other than those directly involved in it.
- since the end of ww2 the two major coup d'états in brazil happened with direct support of the department of state and the cia under dem administration (johnson was in power in 64 and obama, with hillary clinton in charge of the department of state, in 2016). we've got a story or two to tell about them. if the regular lib doesn't care about that, then the most natural thing for us is to consider both parties equally harmful and don't give a damn over internal issues of the us and a.
- Mostly because of Qaddafi.
lmfao you americans are ignorant of your own history. do you honestly think ICE disappeared when Biden was in power? no it's because people like Harris and their bootlickers like you were fine with it when the Top Cop was doing it, they were deporting in record numbers. i guess the black sites also disappeared too, right? typical american arrogance unable to see beyond party affiliation, they are all the same demon to us non-americans, the dems are just better at hiding it. you are the right winger_
Off the top off my head the national guard during the george floyd protest that got called in by tim walz. Even trump was "impressed"
- Yes, because those circumstances were completely the same as what's going on now.
Obama has the record for deportations
the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse
The Posse Comitatus Act is what generally prevents military from "black bagging US residents" and leaves that job to police.
Texas was the first state to allow for the national guard to assist in immigration efforts back in 2021. Democrats did nothing to stop, delay or prevent the expansion of those powers which were further pushed and nationalized in 2025.
The other loophole is invoking the insurrection act. While Biden did not involve it it was repeatedly threatened during the Gaza war protests, however the protests never got too riotous for the Dems to risk damaging their image and the local police were perfectly capable of documenting and black bagging people for it.
The cases of Kahlil and Mahdawi where Trump attended to deport individuals participating in those protests was made possible by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. That specific bill was introduced by the Democrats, passed the Democratic majority House and Senate, Vetoed by Democratic president Truman before being overridden by the house/Senate.
You are correct that they are "not the same", but stating that the shield of your enemy is your friend, just because it isn't a sword is fucking insane.
The problem is that both parties are right wings, only one somewhat more extreme. Both defends the rights of big corporations, billonairs and less or nothing those of the rest of the people. Public services, labor rights and even basic rights, like health and education are a bad joke in the US and only available if you have money. Now with Trump it goes even worse.
They're not the same. The Dems stand back and shake their fist/wring their hands when the Repubs have power and run roughshod over them. Then when the Dems have power they allow their efforts to be thwarted by the Repubs and gesture helplessly when in fact they could just push things through themselves.
Also the DNC is a malfunctioning toilet that costs elections, implying that they think it's better to have a pro-establishment Repub in power than a Dem maverick.
- Yeah, wouldn't want to consume any true, but politically inconvenient posts
  /s
- Everything except complete submission to the US State department reeks of Russian propaganda to .worlders

And that stuff about abortion shouldn't even be there after they didn't do anything for it.

Really the only thing that needs to be put in the "Democrats only" section is: Lip Service. It sums up every issue they are supposedly "better" on.
- Last election the uncomitted wanted basically only lip servce but didn't get even that.
the rights were appealed under genocide Joe
- ... By the Supreme Court Trump packed?

“America is one party state. However in the typical American exuberance, they have two of them”

We have to have two, to keep the masses fighting, thinking one will bring change the other can't. It takes the eye off the ball from the oligarchs, industrial war machine, the three rogue letter spy agencies, and most of all the Zionist influence. Brain-dead voters will scream across the isle at each other, "but my candidate is slightly better than your candidate!" Logic has left the room.

Democrats

Retain marriage rights for gay couples.
Expand legality of recreational drugs.
Free food for schoolchildren.
Tax credits for families with children.
Subsidized for free childcare.
Expand electric car charging nationally.
Subsidize sustainable fuel sources.
Fact based education standards.
Stop racism in policing.
Expanded healthcare subsidies.
Preserve democracy.

Republicans

Being gay or trans should be illegal.
White supremacy is great!
Christianity as national religion.
Privatize the post office and weather service.

*Eliminate the EPA, Department of Education.

Defund IRS.
Disenfranchise nonwhites and women.
Antivax agenda.
Expand fossil fuel use.
Eliminate worker safety laws.
Eliminate collective bargaining and union rights.
Defunding science research.
Deregulate crypto.
No regulations on AI.
No recognition of child's educational or bodily autonomy rights.
Eliminate hate crime laws except for straight white men.
End democracy, install fascist dictatorship.

But yeah, they are totally the same, right guys? RIGHT!?!

Fact based education standards.
Teaching a bunch of lies about American exceptionalism and how imperialism is actually good isn’t what I’d call “fact based”
Stop racism in policing
Right like how democrats in nearly all major cities increased police funding and almost none passed any meaningful reform.
Expanded healthcare subsidies
But don’t remotely consider universal healthcare
Preserve democracy
Preserve the status quo which I wouldn’t call a democracy. A democracy enacts the will of the people, democrats don’t even have a democratic primary for their own party.
- Teaching a bunch of lies about American exceptionalism and how imperialism is actually good isn’t what I’d call “fact based”
  That's a right thing, not a left thing.
  Right like how democrats in nearly all major cities increased police funding and almost none passed any meaningful reform.
  A lot of left leaning places pushed consent decrees, for example:
  https://www.chicagopolice.org/community-policing-group/consent-decree/
  But don’t remotely consider universal healthcare
  The list time Democrats had a filibuster-proof trifecta it was for about 2 months and they passed Obamacare. Since then Republicans have nullified about 40% of it.
  Preserve the status quo which I wouldn’t call a democracy.
  Except by definition it is a democracy. Like it or not, most people vote for the status quo.
I think you dropped this:
Democrats & Republicans
Bombed kids
Tortured innocent people
Increased the surveillance state
Took money from the poor and working class, and gave it to their rich friends
Spent billions on wars, while claiming that they couldn't afford to fix our healthcare or housing problems
Boasted about deporting more people than Republicans
Backed a Genocide
- Wait, where does this not apply to Republicans?
You've certainly whitewashed Dems quite a lot. You're fundamentally not wrong though. As bad as the Dems are, and they are very bad, MAGA is undeniably worse. If we had some other electoral system, we could safely explore other options. But we don't. We have FPTP, which makes it a binary choice between bad and worse.
And worse is just so, so much worse. That doesn't make bad good, but it's still a binary choice. You'd have to be evil or stupid to try to muddy the waters so that bad seems close enough to worse that people don't feel the urgency of choosing bad to prevent worse.
- The lesser evil choice is whichever hastens the collapse of your monstrous, genocidal empire
- Dems can be convinced to try other election systems besides FPTP because they fundamentally believe in democracy. From my perspective, fixing things without violence is still an option with Dems. It isn't with Republicans.
Either you're stupid or you're lying.
- Where's the lie?
Well, Democrats are the less evil choice, but all this is peanuts compared to EU social standard, I see here in Spain often US tourists which thinks they are in the future, IN SPAIN, with the rights, services and the freedom people has. Even with the US Democrates, it's compared like the EU fifty years ago.
- The EU and the Democrats are both supporting the modern holocaust, neither of them are in a position to talk about "social standards."
Those memes are just contributing to the issue of young people skipping the elections, and then complaining about our leaders being stupid
- Well, then maybe the Democrats should fix that, by putting out candidates that young people actually want to vote for.
- No, even the US has more parties than only those two. In Spain we also had a two party system a lot of years ago, but this changed when the people begone to vote also for other parties than those two, with this we have now several different parties, that makes that there have to create aliances to obtain the mayority do be able to govern, so corresponding more on the reallity of the needs of the people, out of this black and white scheme (or better bright and dark grey). In the US is needed that also enter left wing parties, which represent the basic rights of the people, which currently don't exist, because they are "anti-american communists", this is the mantra with which they create the fear in the people to vote it.
- Exactly! The fascists want people to think there's no good choice. Apathy helps them take control.

I couldn't agree more. Also:

Except MAGA is not neoliberalism unless we think tariffs are now "free trade". I get the point that neither party will wield power against capitalism, but they still use their power differently.
- Biden also implemented tariffs to China tho.
  Neoliberalism shouldn't be seen as a doctrine but as a stage of capitalism, in which policies are shaped by the current context, with the intention of mantaining the current status quo. Free trade made sense for imperialist core countries because its industries were much ahead than the rest of the world, thus free trade made it easier to conquer international markets. Now that China has caught up, free trade fundamentalism is no longer the correct strategy.
- Yeah you're right, calling it "neoliberalism" at this point is questionable. They're also blocking renewable energy businesses.
- but they still use their power differently.
  Well...Do they though? On that pesky genocide (sorry I forgot--lets not call it 'genocide', right, that makes dems queasy-- how about we just say some people seem to have dropped dead), Bidens pretend "push back" and "negotiations" and "red lines" and "plans to build a dock to get food in and then hand it to the Israelis just like every single other land border crossing" all show that the dem centrists are simply mercenaries paid by zionists. mercenaries who take the time to put up some theatre for their evil so people dont have to acknowledge it, but the exact same outcomes happen either way. Most of the deaths and most of the building demolitions happened under Biden. When you and I start trying to parse if it was slightly faster under Trump, aren't we missing the point?
  We lost Roe under Biden, who famously never supported a womans right to choose until right before he got tapped to be VP. Strange coincidence?
  Appointing Merrick Garland as AG and then pretending to be powerless while Garland proceeded to lean right and sit on his hands for 4 entire years is another example. As is cracking down on free speech. And what did Biden do in the wake of all the police murders that the defund and reallocate movement brought to his door? He said explicitly that he didnt agree with the massive movement on the left, and shut it down, actually increasing police funding as an extra "eff you" to the dem voters. Same as a republican would. Wheres this imagined difference?
  And Biden famously told rooms full of rich donors at the end of Trumps term that "nothing would fundamentally change" (from Trump's first term) under him. This emncapsulates this whole discussion perfectly. Biden swearing to the rich that nothing will change, while pretending to run on change.
  This is the same Biden who shut down a rail strike, and then slowly over time negotiated a tiny fraction of what the strikers wanted, and then called it a victory on their behalf-- and then had the effing gall to walk a picket line for a photo op so his surrogates could trumpet how union-friendly he was. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/01/joe-biden-rail-strike-labor-unions
  Same Biden who during his term bragged about being harder on immigration than Trump ever had been-- and wore it like a badge of honor that he'd "closed the southern border". https://jacobin.com/2024/06/biden-asylum-executive-order-border
  Today centrist dems wont even admit there was ever any problem. So I guess you'd say we should change nothing and ignore the wildly eroding support and the poll numbers showing the democratic party has just 28% favorability?

The fact that there are so many dislikes proves how propagandized the average American is. "How dare you call both sides the same" Well, they ojectively are pretty much the same with few exceptions.

Especially for non-Usian people, doubly especially for those on the working end of US "diplomacy" - bombs, coups and sanctions come regardless of which US administration, there is literally no difference whatsoever.
I’m no fan of the democrats, but they don’t want to systematically exterminate people like me.
- but they don’t want to systematically exterminate people like me.
  Lol, typical american liberal "systemic extermination is fine so long as it's not being done to MEEEE"
You must be very privileged or very ignorant to see things this way.
The Democratic Party is somewhat conservative and stand firmly behind capitalism. But they aren't fascists. Not at all.
- Uhhhhh yes they are lmao. They just have an insignificantly smaller out group. They consider the rest of the world fair game for death camps, torture, starvation, and everything else Republicans do, and they even agree with most of their most fascist shit (like the children in cages and the Patriot Act, which were not only not stopped but expanded with Dems at the helm).
  They just think gay people and people of color are a sizeable demographic, but not sizeable enough to stop the violence against them, just kind of pretend they're the only allies.
  They keep doing that because idiots keep buying it. I don't think Mussolini would have been much better if he copped black slang for his propaganda material and was ok with gay people in the military.
Yeah they're the same except one of them wants to kill me and my friends
- Both of them want to kill you and your friends. One is just stupid/racist enough that they're willing to do away with your labor power ASAP while the other would rather let their billionaire masters squeeze every penny out of you in debt peonage for the rest of your life (hopefully less than 65 years).
  However, I'm far less interested in what they want to do to other gringos than the fact that they've been workshopping even worse than this brutality on the rest of us for centuries and y'all were okay with it. You'd continue to be okay with it if there wasn't a dang Cheeto in the white house or whatever the fuck.
Compare the last 6 months to the previous 4 years. You know they're not.
- People with the same goals can disagree on minor implementation details.
- Honestly not much changed for me. I wasnt interested in travelling to the US. I am not interested in buying or selling product in the US.
  However i wake up every morning to yet another stream of people being brutally murdered by the US or with US support through US allies. My country keeps hosting a drone relay station integral to US murder programs in the Middle East and everyone in politics pretends this to be okay and the US soldiers stationed here to be totally for our safety and as not being quasi occupied and serving as a logistics hub for invasions, mass murder and genocide.
  Another issue i care about is child rapists not getting away with their crimes. Turns out the US administrations of two Republicans and two Democrats have been covering up a child rapist ring involving thousands of victims and probably as many perpetraitors, with a former D and a current R president among the rapists.
  My country is quasi occupied by a natiom of child rapists and there is reason to believe they rape here too, as the US soldiers are knowm for that.
- Seriously, this is the kind of bullshit that swings so far left it circles back to right.
  The goal of this administration is to remove existing government institutions and replace them with far right traditionalist based institutions that the creator of the Heritage Foundation (Paul Weyrich) began writing about ~1999.
  I think that we have to look at a whole series of possibilities for bypassing the institutions that are controlled by the enemy. If we expend our energies on fighting on the "turf" they already control, we will probably not accomplish what we hope, and we may spend ourselves to the point of exhaustion. The promising thing about a strategy of separation is that it has more to do with who we are, and what we become, than it does with what the other side is doing and what we are going to do about it.
  The people that created the term "cultural marxism," want you to believe this stupid both sides are essentially the same shit so you're less resistant to them dismantling the parts of government that people had to fight very hard for. Voters rights, civil rights, and civil liberties have always been under attack by this same group of people. Now you've got this dumbass propaganda telling people that since those rights have always been under attack, you might as well just assume it won't matter if they cease to exist.
  "I don't want everybody to vote... As a matter of fact, our leverage in the election quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." -Paul Weyrich
One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn't given up yet. The other side brings a knife to the gun fight.
They're not even remotely the same. 40 years ago that may have been closer to true.
- The DNC isn't fighting for workers. They are bringing a gun to the gunfight, they just aren't interested in using it against the GOP, as ultimately both serve capital. The US has never been a democracy for the people.
- One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet.
  And the other side commits genocide. It also overthrows other people's democracy, but you don't consider foreigners human.
- Octagon9561:
  proves how propagandized the average American is
  PastaFARRian:
  ✅
- This is some campist nonsense.
- One side supports a criminal Nazi apologist who tried to overthrow our Democracy and hasn’t given up yet
"Everyone who is an adult who realizes there is no unicorn party is completely propagandized. I am le very smart."
- Yep, you're a reddit refugee alright.

The uni-party trash system.

At least Democrats want to slowly slide us into a monarchy. MAGA wants it NOW!
- What a country...
- do you want cancer to kill you now or do chemo and live for another 20 years?
You don't have to agree with everything, but there's a lot of truth in this diagram. Both are serving AIPAC, both don't care about woking class, both want to collapse the US with infinite military spending,...

Change my mind

Capitalism is a tool to maximize profit. Whoever thought it was a good idea to let capitalism have influence on laws so that they can maximize its profit was a big fool.

What do you expect? Capitalism, a tool, has by definition no morale. Let it decide politics to increase profit and you end up with that kind of shit society we have today.

Don't blame the hammer, when you hit your thumb. Also, don't let the hammer decide where to make the biggest dent.

Can we please start again focusing on the people? Without people there is no society, and there is no market to increase profits.

Start using capitalism and free markets like a tool. Want more renewable and clean energy? Make rules and see the magic of capitalism in making the best out of it.

Instead we let capitalism decide what should be done next and suffer the consequences. It's as easy as that.

Unfortunately capitalism not only create the rules, they also decide what is news and influence societies views. And that's why OPs picture is as it is.

Fuck socialism, am I right guys?!

I agree with this 100%.
Capitalism is exceptional at finding ways to provide value when there is a new market. The issue comes when capital gets accumulated and concentrated in the hands of a few.
We've seen it dozens of times throughout history where a healthy merchant class with lots of opportunity for upwards mobility ends up in an oligarchy as the market becomes saturated then monopolies, duopolies, and cabals (guilds) form.
The state needs to use the "P" and "L" in PESTEL forces (Political, Economical, Social, Technological, Environmental, Legal) that businesses (from single to large multinational) to identify new markets that need investment.
An examples would be new clean renewable electricity and one way of giving preferrence to this green energy by minimally taxing profts on this energy sold in the national market or international market via grid-interconnect networks ("Gridternets" if you will) with a clear plan to increase the tax to a normalised amount slowly overtime as the green share of the market approaches 100%.
It also has to be used to more aggressively dissuade markets that are more harmful than good now. An example of this is dirty power.
Coal, Oil, and Gas have done wonders for increasing people's quality of life because they unlocked a new energy density previously unattainable. Now we have alternatives that are by every metric better; more efficient and less polluting.
Therefore, these industries need to be taxed out of existence by using a logarithmic energy carbon tax that keeps increasing year on year. Corruption needs to be rooted out like a weed as much as possible using a politically independent organ of the state to keep it healthy.
Then there's markets that are stagnant in some state of capture: crumbling infrastructure, food retailer hypermarkets, etc. Windfall suprise taxes on incumbents and grants / zero interest loans for new competitors would reignight competition in those markets and the additional tax revenue can be used to fix the crumbling infrastructure these markets rely on.
And finally, I'd like to see a strong preference for co-operatives where ownership in a free market is much more evenly distributed by making them the least taxed commercial entities with businesses that have a higher concentration of ownership are taxed more through some sort of profit tax multiplier.
It's much harder for a business to act in a pure profit motive to the detriment of society if the employees have more ownership as it allows morality to be expressed through political power within this business. These employees also then benefit from the profit share as well which gives stability and upward mobility in exchange for their labour.
There, that's three proposals that could help towards decarbonisation, investing in underfunded infrastructure, and reducing inequality.
I am not a policy expert and there's bound to be problems with each of those proposals that I haven't thought of, but we have so much more to gain by working cooperatively together to build a system that aims to better humanity as a whole by using the best tools correctly and safety.
Until we reach an energy density which unlocks technology that enables things like a resourceless economy (a la Star Trek luxury space communism), we're stuck with the tools of money and capital as the ways to transfer value.
I personally can't wait for the day where "reputation" rather than money becomes the currency of society, I am willing to work with the tools we have right now to build that future, and I have faith that others are willing to build it with me.
- Yes, definitely, but I think you mean an exponential energy tax law, not a logarithmic one.

"The United States, too, has a single party system. But in typical American extravagance they have two of them."

I dunno, no Democrat ever threatened to make my country the 51st state since the 19th century...

Congratulations not to be a citizen of one of the many countries that have been under the barrel of Democratic forign policy. But apparently it's fine to do it to non-white countries
Nah they just rolled out the carpet and set up the barricades to allow it
The US plans some of their invasion/regime change over the course of years if not decades.
I honestly believe that Trump was briefed on some plans to annex Greenland, Canada and Panama, and the fucking buffoon let the cat out of the bag.
I have something like 57% certainty that democrats would eventually start denouncing "fentanyl labs" in Canada and create excuses for invasion.
edit: Worth noting, by the way, that's it's a consensus that Canada is more liberal than the US. Having Canada as a 51st state would essentially be handling the Dems a huge advantage for all elections going forward... Gee golly, I wonder whether they might actually root for Don a little bit, there.
- Having us as one state - jamming Quebec, BC, Ontario, etc all together would be a recipe for disaster above and beyond all the other disasters involved. It would be like, I don't know, merging New York and Georgia into one state.
  The FLQ alone would instantly revive and start up their bombing campaigns again.
  And be real, they would never give us status as states. We'd be Puerto Rico North at best until the violence died down in a century of terrorism and genocide.

DNC is a huge problem with America as was Biden/Garland. They need/needed Trump to not fall out of a window, or be in military jail, in order for the most warmongering neocon DNC candidates to ensure warmongering. After Oct 7th, DNC's Israel first "job is to gaslight the left into supporting Israel", meant ensuring Trump's win, and today, have their elected Zionist supremacists, repeat attacks of communism on Mamdani.

On global warming, forcing a proxy war on Russia, not only enriches domestic oil companies to fund climate denial. pushing global diesel (home heating fuel same fraction) refining capacity to limit, with massive emissions from war, it also means no cooperation with Russia possible on global warming. It is simply impossible to prioritize human sustainability, if voters are made to support war, while struggling with the economic collapse directly accelerated by it, not to mention cultural divisiveness issues (not DNC/Biden fault).

The US needs either a military coup, or candidates/party that will remove citizenship and assets of Zionist oligarchy influencing US rulership. If money is speech, then money is terrorism.

Just a reminder that the function of the Democratic party is to continually reduce expectations so that this diagram seems reasonable.

I fucking hope, but we already seen that at 1st Trump term and after Biden was elected entire EU again got back to licking US boot, including something as unbelivable as fully allowing nordstream sabotage.
Which is a good thing
No, that one belongs in the shared space too. It was Biden who literally bombed the infrastructure that made it possible for Germany to meet its energy needs without reliance on buying US oil/lng. Who froze all foreign assets that belonged to Afghanistan, essentially stealing billions of dollars that belonged to the Afghani people? Biden. Who froze all Russian assets and tried to make it illegal on a global scale to do business with "the bad guy" state? Biden. And while you may hate Russia if you're a typical propagandized westerner, that doesn't mean most of the rest of the world, particularly global south countries, do as well.
From 3 years ago:
"With Russia losing access to its foreign currency reserves, a message has been sent to all countries that they can’t count on these money stashes to actually be theirs in the event of tension. As such, it may make less and less sense for global reserve managers to hold dollars for safety, given that they could be taken away right when they’re most needed. Russia isn’t the first country to get this lesson in recent months. The Biden administration’s move to seize Afghanistan’s cash assets and prevent their access by the Taliban was another recent signal that reserves can be frozen."
That was all thanks to the Democrats during the Biden regime. Trump is putting as many nails into that coffin as he can, but we shouldn't pretend Republicans are the only ones responsible for showing the world that the dollar is dangerous and the US cannot be trusted.
- Who froze all Russian assets and tried to make it illegal on a global scale to do business with "the bad guy" state? Biden. And while you may hate Russia if you're a typical propagandized westerner, that doesn't mean most of the rest of the world, particularly global south countries, do as well.
  So you condone genocide as long as it's done by "communists". got it.

US Democracy = Vote Far Rights or Fascists to combat this terrible Comunism, wearing shirts in Stars and Stripes design. Neo-liberal feudalism

To be fair, you have to credit Democrats with Obamacare which was really a way to improve the lives of poorer people

Obamacare is responsible for finding the masses in my breasts right now so I like it. I'd like it more if just everyone could go to the doctor and not have to ask, like I do, "is it covered by my insurance"
And the 2000s bank bailouts.
- Also, cash for clunkers?
I credit Dems with making Mitt Romney’s healthcare plan worse, by removing the public option - the thing that would have actually improved the lives of poorer people. Instead, we simply shoveled some 30mil Americans right into the pockets of predatory insurance companies.
The only silver lining from that legislation was preventing them from denying care due to pre-existing conditions, and that point has been an all out battleground ever since.
One half-baked concession to the poor doesn't imply their party platform is about improving the lives of poor people.
You mean Romney care without the public option. Obamacare is more conservative than the actual republican plan…
- Which is the Republicans' fault, they're the ones that forced the public option out of the bill.
Man Obamacare really did a lot to help the Libyans getting bombed by NATO forces.
Obamacare was always a rhetorical device to prove how unserious the GOP is at governing.

"Which side are you on?"

The "two party" system is on the same side.

The center section is too small and should take up 95% of the total area.

We may have got here eventually anyway, but things are a lot worse for Americans right now because of Trump's Republicans. Let's not lose sight of that when complaining about the shit they have in common.

There's also nobody who might emerge out of the right who would bring something that will make life for everyone better. Only the Democrats have a chance of doing that and engineering a better system that might eventuallyundermine their own political hegemony. Would they without pressure? Of course not. But the right will never even be pressured to do anything like that intentionally by it's base, almost by definition basically.

Only the Democrats have a chance of doing that and engineering a better system that might eventuallyundermine their own political hegemony.
No they don't
But the right will never even be pressured to do anything like that intentionally by it’s base,
The Democrats couldn't be pressured to stop doing genocide even at the cost of losing the election
- I don't think you're listening. That's one of the issues both sides share in common that sucks. Doesn't change the fact they're our only hope.

Thank God this image not only has the label "Venn Diagram" but also has a big red arrow pointing to the center and labeled "things the two parties have in common". I had forgotten the name of this extremely common diagram and I also had no idea how it worked.

Oh thanks for the red arrow and explanation, I would never have figured out this cuneiform riddle otherwise.

And thanks for putting Venn Diagram at the top, I never would've known if it wasn't there!

Women = Stuff

The experiment is over. The results were not great.

Vote for the Demublicans, not the Repemocrats!

So, so American!

One side created secret police and are kidnapping people off of the streets to put into concentration camps. End of fucking discussion.

lmfao Obama vastly expanded the surveillance programs Bush started after 9/11 https://time.com/3909293/edward-snowden-obama-nsa-spying/
You're an ignoramus and you should be ashamed of yourself. End of fucking discussion.
Building on a police state that was 50% pre-built by The Other Party™ but hey who could have thought that bad guys could ever take advantage of it!
- Exactly. When terrorists take over a police station it's really the police's fault for existing the first place.
Biden didn't shut down any of the ICE concentration camps Trump opened the last time he was president.
Also Guantanamo Bay has had bipartisan support since the beginning.
Liberals continue to demonstrate they don't consider foreigners human
- When Trump terminated the USAID, Some very liberal who used to advocate for "Women and children" people came out with how No USAID means the USA will lose leverage,like We know you don't care but at least don't promote such disgusting foulplays.
And the other side was in power for 4 years but did nothing to prevent this from happening
- So what you're saying is that the electorates are completely different? Exactly. Thanks for that.

My parents are lifelong Democrats. When I ask them questions about any specific policy, they are vehemently against if it involves raising taxes even slightly. Voting Democrat makes them feel better about themselves. They always ask me to fill their ballots in, I have to refuse and lecture them every time. They love CNN.

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- Simple English: My parents vote Democrat but don't support Democrat policies. They are staunch Libertarians who think voting Democrat makes them look good to their children. They also don't like to vote and want their children to decide for them, which is antidemocratic. They watch news outlets that spew disinformation. They're not much different from most Republicans. I suspect many other Americans are the same.

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> republicans
> hostility to Russia

Let me guess, your preferred form of government is "petty dictator killing people for not following the same exact lifestyle as he wants, but virtue signals to communism".

add gay vs god to the outsides

maybe something on immigration and racism

maybe something on immigration and racism
That goes in the intersection.

I would support a better version of this.

Deficit is a major piece. They talk about it and then invariably increase it every time.

RNC lowers taxes, technically, but only ever in a way that hurts working class. DNC leave it all as is, never changing the bottom line.

First draft meme, here.

The hostility to Russia is a thing of the past though, on the Republican side

It really isn't, it looks like it because their strategy is pivoting to China, but it's only temporary and Russia didn't buy the lip service.
Unfortunately...

Some stuff about Alligator Alcatraz...

Some stuff about hooking a brain dead pregnant woman up to life support to be kept alive like a science experiment and forced to give birth...

Some stuff about dismantling of government institutions like the department of education...

Some stuff about closing the civil rights office that was created in response to the patriot act...

Some stuff about not being sure if we have to follow habeas corpus...

Ya I could totally see how both sides are essentially the same...

The state did all this with absolute cooperation from the dems. They're co-workers working together in the same place for the same people with the same goals.
- I recommend this book bc you seem to be misunderstanding or ignoring the history that led us to this point.
  The Radical Mind: The Origins of Right-Wing Catholic and Protestant Coalition Building
  The radical aims of the New Christian Right have been obscured by the way they cultivated a shared identity of victimhood and manipulated the discourse about backlash to create a nostalgic idea of the past that they then leveraged to justify their right-wing policy goals. The Catholic-Protestant alliance constructed an imagined past that they projected into the future as their ideal vision of society. Ebin calls this strategy “prefigurative traditionalism”—a paradoxical prefiguring of a manufactured past. Using this tactic, the New Christian Right coalition disguised the radicality of its politics by framing their aims as reactionary and defensive rather than proactive and offensive.
  Funny how the same prefigurative traditionalism and claims about victimhood/attacks on traditional values can be seen in far right leaders across the globe, but nobody ever seems to point out the similarities.

“Crush the left” lost it right there 😂

Not sure ableism is the best way to spread your message, but the fact is that the largest block of eligable voters sat out because they feel that voting isn't worth it, be it for being in a state that's solidly red or blue, or because neither option makes a tangible difference on their lives. Both the DNC and GOP serve capital, not the workers, so they are going to continue to alienate the working class.
- I regret using offensive language. But there is NO rational argument that there's no difference between. It's just an indefensible statement. The differences are extremely apparent. If people don't know that, it's not because its untrue, it's because they're ignorant.
  For the love of god, it is night and day between Biden and Trump.

Wow, "don't bother voting" agitprop this early? This is going to be a big election!

This isn't a centrist meme, it's a leftist meme. Revolution is necessary, neither party represents worker's interests.
‘We Have No Coherent Message’: Democrats Struggle to Oppose Trump
More than 50 interviews with Democratic leaders revealed a party struggling to decide what it believes in, what issues to prioritize and how to confront an aggressive right-wing administration.
Democrats are self-critical of their inability to take positions distinct from their Republican colleagues without splintering off conservative support? Democrats must be right-wingers.
- Its almost like First-past-the-post voting artificially limits the number of viable political parties to two and should be replaced immediately.
  At the very least, you would think democracy advocates in the democratic party would be falling over each other to implement such a much needed reform of our voting systems in the blue states they control. Democrats themselves admit non stop that First-past-the-post voting is a huge problem every election when they screech about the small numbers of 3rd party voters. Democrars publicly admit they know the voting system is broken, yet FPTP remains in use in the vast majority of the country.
  How can you be so upset about a recurring problem and then do nothing to resolve it? There is no excuse. The democrats want to hold your vote hostage and they are using the republican party to threaten you to do it. While they may not be exactly the same as the republicans, they are a part of the problem with our country.
  The democratic party must lose its monopoly on resisting the republicans. We should have a free market of ideas competing with each other. We could have multiple chances to defeat the republicans every election We may one day be free to vote how we want.
"Everything I don't like is posted in bad faith"
- Well it is, you lying bastard!
Yeah, I'm sure the Democrats will eventually move back to the left of their own accord if we just keep voting for them, keep our heads down, and try not to rock the boat.
- You forgot donating more money so their analyst friends can make millions explaining how cost of living and support for genocide are not the topics to address, instead focusing on people who love Dick Cheney but think Trump is a bit too far.
"Would you rather the oceans die or the trees die."
Neither.
"Hitler"
Hey I am kind of centrist ( Center left liberal for people in Europe) , did your good guys release the Epstein file?
- We have good guys?
- In precisely the same way your elves fixed climate change, yes.
No. Just dont vote red or blue.
Or 'centrist' 'independent whos actually fasch.

DNC never sent DHS and ice to deport and create fake crimes against my Muslim friend for being an Iranian student in physics. But sure, both sides.

No, but they did tank any candidates who would've given us a hope of not having to deal with that scenario not just once but three times over so yeah definitely both fucking sides.
- What party were the candidates from?
It was Slick Willie Clinton who changed regulation to allow misdemeanors to be treated the same as a felony for immigration purposes. Thus was born the idea of the "criminal immigrant".
They sure aren't doing anything about it either.
Nah, they just committed genocide
- Don't forget sending people to torture camps, or bombing kids, or expanding the systems that the current fascist government is using.
  The Democrats do so much more than just helping out with genocide!
- Thanks for pointing that out, I'll be sure to vote Republican
- Are you thinking of a different country
They did though, through the creation and expansion of the secure communities program.. It was attempted to be walked back via the PEP after Obama earned the "deporter in chief" moniker, but yes the DNC did, has and will continue to do so.
Their style is usually more "don't make a scene" then "suns out, guns out" but the end result is ultimately the same.

This meme seeks to get an emotional response and it's good at it. There's some hidden truth there.

But both parties are nowhere the same and wouldn't have a problem with such a two party system in different countries.

But they're only parties, with all that brings. They alone won't make the US a better country.

You say, from the instance whose admins and mods decided to go full Zionist
- Yes, that's what I say.

The republicans just funded a gestapo force which is rounding up brown people (some of them citizens) to take them to concentration camps where some and probably soon all of them are going to start dying.

Recently an 82 year old legal permanent resident originally from Chile where he fled the horror story we kick started decades ago was nabbed whilst replacing his lost green card and is now on deaths door in Gautama where we left him to die on the street whilst lying to his family so they couldn't help him.

Please tell me this is the same as life under Obama.

Camps holding immigrants also existed under Obama 👍
- To hold people who actually ought to be deported whilst giving them the benefit of legal counsel and ultimately returning them to the actual countries they came from and never for political reprisals.
The republicans just funded a gestapo force
The Democrats also funded that gestapo force, of course.
- https://legalunitedstates.com/which-senators-voted-for-the-big-beautiful-bill/
  All Democrats and three Republicans—Thom Tillis (NC), Rand Paul (KY), and Susan Collins (ME)—voted against the bill.
  Same story in the house. Only republicans are fully and totally responsible for this.

interesting to see right wing memes even on lemmy.

It's a leftist meme, hating on two far-right parties is basic leftism.
- fair.
Oh, yeah, the firmly right wing belief that Republicans are working for the same policies as Dems. That's all I hear from GOP idiots, how much democrats are interchangeable with their preferred fascist and not at all pedophile communist trans terrorists.
Be fr.
- From the tone i gather that you don't agree with me?
  Have a look at the picture again.
  the graphic states that the 2 parties are 100% equal, except one is pro-life and one doesn't do anything against climate change.
  This is anti democrat-party propaganda, well disguised as a funny picture.

Hostility to Russia, Iran & China

Now we have to guess which country's propaganda machine is responsible for this post.

It's Russia. It's always Russia.

- I'm not from the USA. Russia is absolutely trying to create problems in the USA though, and the rest of the west:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Timeline_of_the_Internet_Research_Agency_interference_in_United_States_elections
  https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russia-troll-2020-election-interference-twitter-916482/
If someone doesn't support the Iraq war they must be a terrorist sympathizer.
- What does your comment have to do with my comment?
- What are your thoughts on the 1999 War in Dagestan?
Naturally, the common people don’t want war. . . but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Fucking bootlicker.
It’s Russia. It’s always Russia.
As if your own country hasn't been filling your head with propaganda from the day you were born 🙄
Oh, but that's different. We're the good guys!
- Everything i don't like is "russian".
  Blaming problems on an external enemy to distract from internal problems and also to assemble the people behind a "strong man" leader.
- Yes, the CBC has been filling me with Canadian propaganda that says shows like Corner Gas are actually quality entertainment.
lol you're the meme!
Yeppers, just as the empire wants you to think