Every. Single. Time.

Just came to leave an image of a cute cartoon penguin, don't mind me.

But club penguin shut down 8 years ago

Idk how it's working for you guys, but I've not once had it actually shut down after clicking update and shut down. It always restarts myb once or twice and finishes at the lock screen, it just doesn't shut down. I always have to manually turn it off after it finishes.

I've found that if I click "update and shutdown" and hold the power button it shuts down, the update process is even quicker this way /S
- But for real, I've been doing this for almost a year now I. Will. Not. Wait. I am going home now
Yep my work laptop is win11, this happens every time. I just wait till the end of the day, click update and shut down, let the dog out and then give her breakfast (I work nights) then go back and shut down from lock screen.
Meanwhile on my Linux laptop, "downloading critical system files" SUDO shut down, "whatever you say boss" and 10 seconds later it's off.
I think it depends from the motherboard. My 8th gen Intel Lenovo always update and reboot (and get to the lock screen) when I say update and shutdown while a gigabyte 6th gen Intel always update and shutdown (one reboot during the update install)
And if you dual boot and have Linux set as main, "update and shutdown" means "reboot to Linux"
Dunno what to tell you, man. Update and shut down always works perfectly for me. It updates, restarts to finish the update, then shuts down. Works every time.
The only thing I can think of is that you're being impatient and manually shutting he machine down after the restart, instead just letting the OS do its thing.
- I'm most definitely not interrupting it, I can go away, do something else, and it will still be on the lock screen after rebooting. I'd then have to click on shut down again.

Windows is so full of stupid little shit that should have been fixed years - if not decades - ago. Sleep mode broken, folder customize options don't apply to subfolders despite offering that choice, the OP. Sigh.

Microsoft should be responsible for when I close my laptop and then it starts a fucking fire in my backpack. that shit should have been fixed YEARS ago.
- Set it to hibernate when you close the lid. It's a full shutdown so the sleep timers don't run, but the ram contents are kept, so it's only slightly slower than starting from sleep.
  That should be the default, but OEMs are weird.

I'm amazed at how after 50 years, over 100,000 top-tier software engineers, and $3,500,000,000,000, Microsoft are still so bad at making operating systems.

It's almost as if Capitalist rhetoric about innovation is bullshit.

Update and Shutdown -> go and make tea -> Linux lock screen -> 😐

Windows really dosn't want to be on my system.

Well, that's a first. The usual way is for Windows to break the Linux install every time it does anything.
- Somehow I learned how to install my systems without windows doing that.
Then you should obey its wishes.
Every time! Then the next time you boot windows for some reason, it will finish the updates and then fucking shuts down.
Well, it is at least in part how many linux distros configure Grub, it can be set up to boot the last selected OS, which I think should be the default... I changed it on all of my dual boot systems, though I haven't been using Windows all that much lately, so it hasn't been all that big of a deal for me.
I just wish that Windows hadn't changed the default update config to restart no matter which option is selected, since it makes that situation soooo much more annoying.
- buttons that don't work? buttons that do nothing? butrons that lie?? (rhetoric)
Lucky you

holds the power button

Next boot: Updating...
- First thing in the morning and now you've missed your own meeting.

Windows: would you like to ~~collect your data~~ personalize your system?

Options are: Yes, or Ask In 3 days

Where's the fuck off option M$ ?

Why the hell does my PC turn itself on from hibernate when there is an update pending? Fuck you windows.

Going to switch to Linux as soon as I stop being lazy... any day now.

Today could be the day! I bet 90% of Lemmy would at least try to help.
- At least after we battled over which distro is best.
- It really is an issue of laziness. I dont want to have to re-mod New Vegas.
I just did the switch last night! I don’t regret it yet and doubt I will. You should give it a shot.
Because you have configured it to install updates when you are not using your PC and windows is leveraging a system wake timer. If Linux was configured to do the same it would be no different.
- So, I have every conceivable setting off for automatically installing updates. It won't let me not do it.
- I don't know about others, but I've tried and failed to stop my pc waking from sleep.
  At some point, it just stops providing wake reason codes. It just wakes up. The system doesn't know or tell why.
  Hibernation has never failed me, at least.
You can configure it. Whats worse, my current PC actually allows every device to wake up my PC. My old PC didn't allowed it and only allowed the power button and WoL. You can turn it off for each device (there is no bulk option, thanks MS), but when you plug in a new device... Recently I forgot to unplug my mouse from charging and my PC started right away.
I have no problem that there is this option. Might be handy in the right situation. I have a problem that you can't configure it easily. But I guess hibernation is something that Devs forget these days. I have a few programs that don't play along nicely.
- Here's a one liner that disables wake on all devices in your PC.
  powershell -Command "powercfg /devicequery wakearmed | ForEach{ powercfg /devicedisablewake $ }"

i click shut down, close my laptop, then the next day it turns out it never shut down because my pdf viewer was still open

I don't make it to the next day. I hear the fan running full blast in my bag while it commits seppuku.
- mine goes into sleep mode so it doesn't really make any sound

ah yes i remember this frustration before i changed operating systems. now i have a whole bunch of new frustrations but this ain't one of them 😎 i use debian btw

Frustrated with debian? I cannot imagine..
I have been frustrated with myself tho, when i have learned how easy something i was struggeling with was.

The switch on the back of the PC is there for a reason!

For going between 110V and 220V?
- You americans and your weird everything

That's always so annoying, because Windows isn't my default boot entry, so I need to babysit its "totally not a reboot" update.

I somewhat get it - end as much processes as possible, apply everything that is possible, then restart and apply the remainder. My pet peeve is just that it should automatically shut down after applying the updates instead of staying at the lock screen, when I say install and shutdown...
- it should automatically shut down after applying the updates
  Okay, that part it does for me though. That's extra annoying for you then.
  apply everything that is possible, then restart and apply the remainder
  Yeah on one hand I get the concept, on the other macOS and Linux manage without, and I don't really remember older Windows doing this either, so I wonder if there is a real reason why it's needed, or they just engineered themselves into a bad corner...

Laughs in Linux

Sorry, I had to.

Might as well add regular "shutdown" as an "option" too

*reads this using Linux

I wanted to make this meme for the nth time my Lenovo rebooted (and left at the login screen) when I chose update and shutdown

Restarts into Grub which autos to Linux and when I go back to Windows it's all pissy at me.

It's why they remove grub with their own thing during windows updates
Exactly this! Having to wait for the actual update to finish and finally let me select the option in the GRUB menu.
- There is an option to default to the GRUB entry you chose last. I didn’t know that either until Manjaro used it.

I have never had my computer completely restart after selecting "Update and shutdown", sure, it will reboot once or twice during the update cycle, but it has always ended with a full shutdown.

And here am I, never experienced Windows to "just shut down". It always restarted in the old days when I used to use Windows.
It looks like people do not understand the windows update process where it restarts and then updates some more and shutdown after that.
This is it. OP is just dumb. "omg it's restarting when it said it was at less than 100% and I can't fathom why that would be, I told it to shut down reeeEEEEE". I used to think this was job security ("my system got corrupted and it's totally not because I'm an idiot") but as the years go on I yearn to simply drop filing cabinets on their heads.
- I have to use Windows for work. A few days ago I pressed the button to update and shut down as I started preparing to leave. I went away for a bit and when I came back to get my stuff, the computer was back at the login screen. It updated and restarted. Windows really does do that. I hate it.
- no, this used to be the case but i can now guarantee that it (always?) just restarts and stays on the login screen. I've had this happen multiple times that i know it's not a fluke.

It's not just me?! I thought my PC was buggered

Unpopular opinion: The most-used operating system in the world must automatically apply security updates, eventually even overriding user preference if people never restart.

Right now it’s Windows. If someday it’s Ubuntu, they should do it too. If they don’t, we’d see giant botnets of every computer that people don’t want to update, all compromised by exploits.

To be clear, this doesn’t excuse MS for abusing this update cycle to push shitty products or AI features.

The meme isn’t complaining about auto-updates. The meme is complaining that “Update and Shutdown” doesn’t actually turn off the PC when it’s done updating.
- Ohhh, I didn't even realize that was a thing. Makes more sense now. I should probably shut down my PC more often...
for me, a good test of whether i own something or not is to see if your device forces you to update. I'm sure 90% people using computers understand the security implications of not updating and not rebooting, they just have work they need to do now and rebooting the computer would make it go away.
we really need to stop babying users. If they fuck their own system up, it's on them. give them warnings, sure. Give them heads up. but don't take it into your own hands to protect someone who doesn't want protecting.
- If users cared about security or privacy, even in the slightest, they'd be using Linux. That's the other few percent. Ubuntu Livepatch solves any problem from automatic updates, I think Linux will eventually support this and then automatic updates by default. But on Windows? Not a chance.
- I think you have far too much faith in the average user. The average user just uses their computer for email, social media, and YouTube. The average user panics when their Google Chrome shortcut disappears from their desktop, because they don’t know how to open it otherwise. The average user doesn’t even know what a botnet is, or why updating would help prevent them.
  And the bigger problem is that a compromised device doesn’t only affect the compromised device. It can potentially spread to other devices on a network, steal info from anyone who interacts with the user, or become part of a botnet which is used in attacks elsewhere. Forcing the average user to update is like requiring vaccinations. We do it because it helps protect everyone; not just the one person who was inoculated.
- I mean, it’s the same situation as vaccine mandates. You’re hoping that it’s a perfect system of karma that reflects upon the user, but it’s not. Someone practices bad security or bad personal health, and it might not necessarily be them that suffers the most. (Botnet victims come in wide varieties)
  I think owning your own device is a great ideology and I want to promote it however possible; I just don’t feel comfortable pushing that over general worldwide computer safety.
- I'm sure 90% people using computers understand the security implications of not updating and not rebooting,
  Deranged. 9% is probably higher than reality. 0.9% maybe.
  Also you're responding to a comment about widespread collective damage as though only a few individuals would be hurt.
Has that ever helped with massive Windows botnets?
- Oh no, grandma's Windows box she lets your weird cousin use is sending out shady Russian personals hookup spam again! 💀
  Switch your (grand)parents to Linux Mint today!
I'm using windows. Istg every update I get fucks something up. and no matter how hard I try to disable windows updates, even forcibly, they keep coming back

Windows update fucked up my dual boot. It managed to somehow through a RAM error from the BIOS on every boot. Fuck Windows. I don’t want updates which I don’t even notice.

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Update and shut down and they will restart, update, then shut down, restarting is part of the process.

The issue i have is the very, very frequent update. The only time i face this kind of frequent update is with unstable build of software and game, which kinda says a lot about the windows team.

It's that almost every time for me at least on insider build I click update and shutdown. Wake up in morning and PC is on lock screen not shutdown
- It definitely done it once or twice a year or two ago in win10, but not that frequent. Never on win11
Is once a month "very, very frequent"?
- Yes. When it's intrusive
- I last updated last friday or so, now they bitch about update again, which i already delayed for a few days. It's definitely not once a month in my experience. Windows 11 btw.

And update and shutdown actually reboots your system in the end anyway. This shit drives me crazy whenever I need to use Windows.

Sometimes yes and sometimes no dude

Compulsory updates should be illegal.

Hibernate.

It's a funny how people claim Apple is a walled garden and not Microsoft when Apple never forces is update or upgrades.

Not sure you understand what walked garden means.
- walked garden
  Explain
So your saying having a tightly integrated software ecosystem, communicating between laptops, phones and other devices, means compulsory updates, while also contradicting that by mentioning how apple doesn't have compulsory updates?
- That's my point. The term walled garden predates it being applied to Apple and now that it has, it's become synonymous with anything Apple does is a walled garden and we ignoring other instances of walled gardens because they don't meet all the criteria of Apple's.
  The original term for technology walled garden was more confining than what Apple does. The term would be more useful if it remained as technology that restricts the user's agency.