It is Not Just a Copy, It is a Shitty Copy
It is Not Just a Copy, It is a Shitty Copy
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WTF is happening to his face in the original?
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Pucker. Exaggerated.
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I think he's making airplane noises — maybe the artist wanted to show him as utterly oblivious, and enjoying being a plane
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It's an old racist trope.
The Making of Arab Stereotypes: Racist Portrayals in Political Cartoons during the 1970s Oil Crisis
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Im so confused about people saying they prefer the ai one. Just to double triple check that were all on the same page here, the ai one is the bottom one, right??
I think the bottom one is extremely boring and the top one looks sick af.
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The AI one is generic and easier to read. Some people like that 🤷♂️
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I think they are both cool 🤷♂️
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What, do you not hate everything and everyone all the time like the cool kids?
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I thought AI was the top one. I actually prefer the AI one in this case. in the first one the guy's face and nose is square and the the drawing is shitty. the second is clear and not distracting
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God forbid an artist ever have style and good control of light. The AI one is plain boring, and has tons of shading errors. The original artists has a cool aesthetic, with lots of detail, vibrant colors and the facial expression looking at the viewer in smugness communicates a lot more than the AI one. So does the orange baby facial expression. It is all more lively and actually translates human emotion that says something about the situation. The AI one is basic and dull in comparison. So, anyways, media literacy…
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So you’re saying the first is stylized and the second is bland. We agree.
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If the person holding Trump was a caricature of an Israeli many would have lost their minds and called it antisemitic. But when it is an Arab no one cares about antisemitism anymore.
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Might be an unpopular opinion but honestly the ai one isnt even that bad
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- It's a knock-off copy of an original idea
- The copy missed an important detail, clearly intended by the original artist: Trump's face. In the original artwork Trump is pictured as oblivious to the situation, making the plane noises, acting childish. In the statistical engine generated image, no such emotion is depicted.
- A few important details, actually. In the original the Qatari is looking straight at the "camera", in a kind of "see this?" way.
- Sloppy gen artifacts everywhere
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The Qatari looks dead and lifeless, staring into the distance in the AI one.
The real one he looks quite sinister, like he’s pulling the strings and he knows it. Part of that is, as you mentioned, his look into the camera, and another part is the lighting the artist chose, which is entirely absent in the AI image.
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For me I view it as 2 different styles entirely even though its a copy and when you see it that way I think the ai one just gets the message across (Like The Original) which is the most important for me personally. But yea your points are not invalid but the results Are still decent
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As an artist myself, I agree.
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They keep getting better. Eventually, they'll be more appealing than the original. We just think we're fucked now :)
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Interesting. AI cannot make proper caricatures of people's faces apparently.
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I got the labels right.
You can clearly see that all the AI can do is represent someone's face in a hand drawn cartoon style. It cannot exaggerate features to make it a caricature like the true artist did.
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I'm seeing this shitty AI style with the thick lines everywhere. It triggers a deep rage in my lizard brain like Corporate Memphis does but it's much worse
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Is it that hard to criticize Arab leaders for their politics without being racist about it?
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How is the depiction racist? Th entire purpose is to represent a country/culture... If you think that basal appearances are being racist when it's literally a charicature, you're still too stuck in the land of Political Correctness. Stop being a PC thinker.
In fact, I think it's depicting specifically Saudi royalty, who often show up in public wearing traditional garb, exactly as depicted. So... the comic being accurate makes you call it ... racist? Learn some damn media literacy before it's too late...
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Apparently it is quite hard, the weird thing is I swear it is super easy to do, I just stood in my bathroom and criticized an Arab leader, and then an Israeli leader and in neither case did I resort to racism.
Is it just the fact that I have a massive brain that makes me able to do this?
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Pretty sure his face is supposed to look like a bottle opener. It looked weird small on my phone but zooming in I think it's clear. The intent is to parallel the phrase "opening up the Middle East to America" while turning the roles on their heads, he is opening America to the Middle East.
This is an extremely simple use of visual metaphor and the AI predictably flunks hard by excreting something which pleases aesthetically but is spiritually and artistically barren.
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Hm neither one looks particularly like Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, and the headdress style is Saudi Arabian in both.
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Cheap lazy co-opting fucks.
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Arabs, so menacing
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Well, Al Qaeda is our ally now, they even got them to wear nice suits!
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Wow, an example where the AI slop copy is _less_of a racist caricature than the original.
There's always something new under the sun, I guess.
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I wonder how the Borderlands stuff would look of run through ai.
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This is Lemmy trying to decide which racist picture they like better
LMAO then you guys later complain about racism hahahsj
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A copy of a racist image is still a copy, and still racist. I don't see the conflict.
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Oh lol I scroll ed some more and there actually are people critiquing over which one they prefer
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Hm, I prefer the AI copy.
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Both are kind of racist as fuck right? Relying on anti-arabic stereotypes to try to inflame fear about this. The Qatari jet is a major problem but it's not because some sinister Arab is secretly pulling the strings, it's because foreign governments can buy influence.
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It’s the same thing… that “sinister Arab” is the foreign government buying influence, at least in the context of this plane.
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When I was studying art in college there was like rules and I forget it was either design class or painting or something but there's like rules to this stuff and I wish I remembered and I'm gonna try to remember but there's like a standard like this is already set in stone the tech bros have destroyed everything and people just are unaware that there are already established guidelines i betcha inside of super snooty, pitooty, art critic circles, they would be able to answer my question very quickly.
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What are you rambling about?
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gestalt principles?
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I can't tell which is more racist
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The first one for sure.
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USA is racist AF with these kinds of cartoons being "normal".
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Check the original artist. Not American.
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How dare you interrupt me with facts while I'm raging! /s
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Nicaraguan, but go off I guess
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How is it racist?
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While the original certainly has an actual style, i have to say that I have no fucking clue what I'm looking at with the trump face
looks like he's trying to make plane noises
They exaggerated Trump's characteristic pucker
An ugly as hell style (IMO), but a style nonetheless. The AI feels like a fastfood drawing.