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I asked Wendy if I could read the paper she turned in, and when I opened the document, I was surprised to see the topic: critical pedagogy, the philosophy of education pioneered by Paulo Freire. The philosophy examines the influence of social and political forces on learning and classroom dynamics. Her opening line: “To what extent is schooling hindering students’ cognitive ability to think critically?” Later, I asked Wendy if she recognized the irony in using AI to write not just a paper on critical pedagogy but one that argues learning is what “makes us truly human.” She wasn’t sure what to make of the question. “I use AI a lot. Like, every day,” she said. “And I do believe it could take away that critical-thinking part. But it’s just — now that we rely on it, we can’t really imagine living without it.”

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  • Is it bad that I find this somewhat comforting on a personal level?

    I'm half-considering continuing my education mostly to get the STEM degree porky wants, but I worry I'm too stupid for it or won't be able to figure everything out before the test so even if I pass I won't be getting the As, the bare minimum to even have my job applications considered. But if so many people are cheating, then I'm not as inferior as I may think.

  • my friend described it as a logical endpoint of the commodification of education, which i think i agree with. degree being seen as simply a visa to the corporate world has been a problem since long before AI proliferation. of course students don't care and just want the piece of paper. the great failing of contemporary liberal education is that it totally fails to instil a love of learning (and often actually instils a dislike of it). undergrads are treated so poorly by institutions it's no surprise most of them usually end up in the mindset of "do as little work as possible, fuck this awful system".

    • Said it before, but the porks view education as a problem to be solved. Just like how they view abundant housing, walkable, green cities and towns, and even a working class with the ability to do some consumer spending. This is totally alien to this pig-like society and they needed to solve it as fast as humanly possible.

      If I ever do a master's I have vowed to apply to foreign universities first and GTFO.

    • the great failing of contemporary liberal education is that it totally fails to instil a love of learning (and often actually instils a dislike of i

      important to note this failing starts way before college, i think it would be unreasonable to expect universities to be able to fix this when school from 5-18 sucks so much shit in the vast majority of the country

    • I totally agree. I'm very glad that my education and the way I pursued it didn't completely erase my send of why I was learning (to more fully inhabit the world, to live a more examined life, etc etc), but I recognize that I was privileged to have that luxury. The total commodification of education is absolutely the default path forward in this society.

  • I ain't gonna read all that but some quotes are hilarious

    When I asked him why he had gone through so much trouble to get to an Ivy League university only to off-load all of the learning to a robot, he said, “It’s the best place to meet your co-founder and your wife.”

    Lee explained to me that by showing the world AI could be used to cheat during a remote job interview, he had pushed the tech industry to evolve the same way AI was forcing higher education to evolve.

    AI frontiersman pushing the envelope of technology by building the torment nexus

  • Yeah, you can’t give students a done-at-home essay as an assessment any longer, that’s just asking for AI slop and setting the students up for failure. Students can’t be trusted to avoid the temptation of AI, even the good ones from time to time. Over the past couple of years I’ve had to completely rethink every assessment I give. Essays are useless now. In-class tests and exams are ok, but students struggle with these more than they did a few years ago as they are less practiced at thinking through the written word. In-class presentations work pretty well, if you have a few restrictions. Keeping the time limits short so they stay focused and do not use vague and verbose AI writing helps, limiting the amount of text in slides or number or slides or even just banning slides entirely can also help to reduce slop. But most importantly, have a lengthy question and answer period at the end. This is where the students will actually demonstrate their own understanding as they need to actually know the material themselves to get through even very simple questions. If a student only used AI to write a presentation script even “what did you think about the book?” is a tough question for them. Usually one of the students will try using AI but will very visibly crash and burn in front of the whole class during the Q&A. The public shaming that results usually serves as a good warning to the rest.

    • only problem is that public speaking is a skill. kinda sucks to have your skill in public speaking affecting your grade in an unrelated subject.

  • Gotta wonder what is gonna happen to these people when ChatGPT shuts down after investors pull out to salvage what's left of their principal

    • They still get diploma and connect, they would be just the most boring cogs imaginable

    • ChatGPT is just one of many models. There's lots of other free commercial ones people can use like Claude and Gemini. But beyond that, people can now run AI locally and the really small but worse models (shorter memory, less training material) can run on lower end hardware. The genie is out of the bottle.

    • I think the probable answer is it won't shut down. As more people depend on it more money will get thrown at it. It would be like the equivalent of the internet shutting down. Probably will get bailed out by the government

  • I then fed a chunk of text from the Book of Genesis into ZeroGPT and it came back as 93.33 percent AI-generated.

    Turns out the Bible was the word of God handed down to man, it’s just that God is the AI bot running our simulation.

    This says to me that our leadership is only going to get worse and worse. The meritocracy will be full of people with degrees from the right universities but with zero ability to think dynamically. Thus novel situations will be handled with AI slop only further exacerbating the “constantly trying to fight the last war” problem (metaphorically speaking).

    • I then fed a chunk of text from the Book of Genesis into ZeroGPT and it came back as 93.33 percent AI-generated.

      it'd be pretty funny if it's just picking up on the fact the text is a mishmash from different authors writing for different purposes

      • After seeing this I was curious so I took a chunk of fanfiction that I wrote myself, then had ChatGPT write a second chapter, fed both into it, and it was extremely inaccurate. It rated my chapter at 20% AI and the ChatGPT chapter at 40%, which is a bit of a correlation but both the false positive and false negative rates are way too high to use this tool for anything.

  • This sounds like they made up a young person to get mad at tbh. I don't think most students use AI to that extent.

    In all honesty though, the whole way we teach needs to be overhauled. So much of these classes amounts to busywork and teaching stuff that isn't relevant. But the biggest problem of all are these classes are rushed and that results in students being dumped with a continuous stream of too much information, all of which they can't realistically remember in a short amount of time. That, and due to pressure on teachers to teach the entirety of a subject in a stupidly short amount of time, we are increasingly seeing teachers basically tell students to teach themselves.

    If students do resort to chatgpt, which I think is rare, it's because the quality of teaching has gone down the tubes. Not the teachers fault, just the stupid way the whole thing is structured.

    • This sounds like they made up a young person to get mad at tbh. I don't think most students use AI to that extent.

      you clearly haven't been in a school recently. they absolutely do lol.

      source: my sister teaches science to 10 year olds in an elementary school and has spent the last 3-4 years getting into arguments with parents about their child's clear use of ChatGPT for their science fair projects. One kid submitted a classic 'will the same amount of mentos & coke erupt higher than a baking soda & vinegar volcano?' project (mind you, this was one of the suggestions my sister gave to the class as a 'if you can't think of anything else, you can do something like this') and his hypothesis/conclusion/etc he'd printed out onto his poster board was literally shit like "The mixture of Baking Soda (NaHCO₃) + Vinegar (CH₃COOH) turns into CO₂ (gas) + Water + Sodium Acetate." and "Further testing could introduce a motorized volcano using a servo"

      What 10 year old knows what a servo is? What 10 year old is going to bother to look up the chemical formulas for shit like Baking Soda and then type it out like that? Maybe a very smart one - but my sister would give all of them the benefit of the doubt and let them get all the way to the actual science fair demonstrations & inevitably every time they'd be like "um...uh..." when asked any questions about their project/presentation that weren't already answered via their print outs glued to their boards.

      And what's sad is that half the parents she's confronted over the last few years about this have been like "oh, yeah I told Jimmy to just use ChatGPT to help them with their project what's the issue?"

      I have a few friends who are middle/high school teachers as well and they've all reported the same shit in the last 3-4 years. Students submitting homework that still has the "Okay, here's a better version of what you're asking" prompt responses pasted in the middle of a paragraph, etc etc.

      There is no way that it isn't a rampant issue in colleges/universities, especially given how much graded classwork outside of tests are usually submitted online.

      • Oh, that sucks.

        Maybe it's a problem with younger people, I'm a mature student at University and most of my peers express disgust towards AI for the environmental toll. Mind you I am doing an ecology degree so that might be why.

        I have had professors encourage us to use AI though, which is weird.

        It is sad that parents are encouraging it too. No one has the time to parent their children, so no wonder.

    • I'm a professor. They do

    • my sister said every single person in her undergrad is using it and you're just falling behind on doing menial assignments as efficiently if you don't

  • I used to work for a company that would write papers for students. A lot of them were like composition 101 level 500 word essays but I also did a few grad school assignments lol. Like I did a master's thesis in health admin, one in art history, and one in nursing education.

    I guess I'm out of a job though since now chatgpt will do this for free

    • I have a very good friend who totally ghostwrote the master's thesis of a Russian oligarch's failson when we were all in grad school. My friend and I were doing PhDs in topics pretty closely related to the failson's master's (my friend's dissertation topic was pretty much bang-on). The guy paid my friend a low four figures amount for him to do it; the topic was an obscure technical field, and the guy was clearly just getting the credential to pad his CV. This kind of thing has always been around--ChatGPT has just sort of democratized it.

      I'm honestly more worried about the increasing number of people who are using ChatGPT as a substitute for friends or soft skills. The people who are using it to do their essays probably wouldn't have written particularly scintillating essays even if they didn't have it (or would have found some other way to cheat). Lots and lots of ordinary people are using it as a socialization outlet, though, and we don't know what effect that's having.

      • The people who are using it to do their essays probably wouldn't have written particularly scintillating essays

        tbf, i would imagine that most students weren't writing particularly scintillating essays anyway even before AI—almost all of my papers were started the night before they were due, and i only started my fucking masters thesis the week before it was due lmao, and i know a fair chunk of my year was similar (although maybe not to quite the same degree). i still scored well, because it was never about being considered or clever or what have you, it was about being able to sound like you understand the fundemental science and hitting the rubric. none of the essays were actually pleasant or insightful to read.

        hell it even applies before university; i went to a hardcore nerd school and they didn't teach us any of the material particularly hard, they went over that once, but then all the study sessions and exam prep and drills were about teaching us the mark scheme. thats what matters and an AI can probably do the same thing pretty easily if you set up properly.

  • Wtf its only been useful to these schmucks for like two years

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