4w ago

who else is just fucking tired of Woke vs Not Woke debates?

Every time there is a new game coming out. I go into Social media and what I see is "this game is woke because two dudes are kissing and there is a black protagonists, delete and refund" There are so many people that seem to care about it that I start to wonder if I am the insane one?

like Do these people genuinely believe that artists will stop being political and talk about their beliefs just because you said you don't like it? or that games will stop being "woke" because like, 3 games flopped for reasons OTHER THAN it was "woke"

Let's ignore the story quality, graphical fidelity, optimization, gameplay quality, etc.. Oh, no! The only reason why this succeeded is because that character has a fat ass! The reason for why that game has failed is because this character said they were non-binary!

like, Just how are people are not tired of this shit? This debate is about as deep as a puddle, has no consequence on real life, and the roots of this debate is based on ignorance and assumptions.

Hell, I got told that the Oblivion remaster was great and "not woke" because it sold more on Steam than AC Shadows Shadows and Dragon Age Veilguard

But also that Oblivion is "woke" for removing male and female and replacing it with Body Type 1/2

In the same reddit thread

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I go into Social media

i think a cultural rebound is coming.
this "anti-wokism" can't have absolute power, basically being The State, and still be this edgy subversive shit at the same time.
At the same time, they do currently control the algos and armies of convincing chatbots so people might just increasingly check out of this nonsense but there will be the illusion of massive engagement
so definitely uncharted territory. we are truly in the era of Unreality
- this "anti-wokism" can't have absolute power, basically being The State, and still be this edgy subversive shit at the same time.
  This reminds me of one of the things I find most annoying about CHUDs: they portray themselves as rebels smashing the system when they are, in fact, the system.

reddit thread
Reading
is self harm at this point

Hell, I got told that the Oblivion remaster was great and "not woke" because it sold more on Steam than AC Shadows Shadows and Dragon Age Veilguard
But also that Oblivion is "woke" for removing male and female and replacing it with Body Type 1/2
In the same reddit thread
Nice little encapsulation of how incoherent the culture war right is.

Since hiring veterans is DEI, I think that means any game with soldiers is woke. 😞

Every time someone complains about something being woke, I create 10 more genders. #DarkWoke

not me I love it it's the best

I'm just tired of hearing from westerners in general.
- The views aren't limited to the West, even if they originate from the West. In a gaming community I moderate, the first person to bring up DEI was a user from Bangladesh. On Wikidata, the person to mark games as not recommended by a certain Steam curator run by a Brazilian was a Russian.

I play games I like I don’t play games I don’t like. I don’t care what people online say

i am not american or on capitalist social media, but it's my impression the group harping on about this stuff is essentially still a very loud, fringe minority. it's not really gaining traction or affecting game sales or anything. i think you can safely just tune it out (or better, stop going on reddit).

Yeah, I'm sick of it. I've even heard this shit irl. And when people tell me something is woke, all I have to say is: Great! I love it! Please make everything woke and DEI, I love to see gamers angry and miserable.
And don't forget to bring up AC Shadows not flopping to really boil their blood.

Dude I was tired ten years ago.

They've been doing this shit for 12 years

boomers were right about video games habibi ,it's time to admit this

Keep in mind the people who are ranting about these "woke" games online on every single steam forum do so because they have nothing better to do. Instead of playing fun games, they'd rather jump at shadows and complain, instead of contributing to society, they'd rather be pathetic sad sacks with no friends because they are so repulsive. They spend all their time complaining, which creates the illusion that there are a lot of people complaining, when it is a small group that is just very vocal with too much time on their hands.

I don't play games with huwite protags

It's an easy laugh.

I've just started blocking the woke-o-sphere warriors on steam. If you try to engage even on good faith, they will report you and try to get you banned. Got a warning from valves defending queers against anti woke idiots once. So I just block the assholes on sight now.
I do have a feeling once the reich wears out woke like they did SJW will find a new term.
That's a fun exercise what is going to be the new "woke" once Trump's term is over and Democrats are now right of
?
They going to recycle hippies?
- They going to recycle hippies?
  At least the meaning of hippies has already been changed by
  , but yeah, that checks out that they would try to make another AAVE word devoid of meanings

I’ll be honest, I always get a good laugh out of it. I don’t think they are as impactful are some other things present in the same type of discourse, but I totally get you.

there used to be other terms relating to specific things. reverse racism and white genocide, cultural marxism, LGBTQ propaganda, gender ideology, removed. but then the right decided to adopt intersectionality and decided to be bigoted against all minorities at the same time. this has the added benefit of not "excluding" someone if they belong to only one of the categories they hate while spreading hate against everyone they deem undesirable.
their first attempt was SJW which worked great in 2016-2017 era but 1. it's an unwieldy three letter acronym 2. it sounds like jew. also the breadtube popularity in the subsequent years helped killing off the phrase. after breadtube creators either fell off or decided to only make artsy fartsy videos once a year they clapped back with woke and DEI.
one other thing woke and DEI have going for them is that they tie to this false notion of meritocracy which is unfortunately broadly popular. on the other hand SJW is relating to a specific stereotype of "blue haired feminist raging in tumblr" which most people really don't care about.

This shit was old and boring ten years ago

The word in itself is pretty meaningless. They use it to refer to anything they consider left wing, but using "woke" instead of "left-wing" gives it an air of illegetimacy, like something newly made up. Like, they wouldn't say that the BPP was woke, but might consider that a movie about them is. You could say the meanings are different because "woke" is more about culture, not about economy or revolt against physical conditions... But that's the point, they try to reduce politics to only "culture wars". Because making up narratives around that is easier to them than having a class analysis.

I'll just leave this here

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