Any time I've tried to complete quests without a guide.

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We're currently on our second playthrough where we're playing as a secret daughter of Marika who's been shunned by the Erdtree and their followers, so now we're on a revenge path against the Erdtree to reclaim our rightful place on the throne - my SO really put a lot of effort into her back story - and as part of the playthrough, we're doing all kinds of side quests and content that we haven't seen before for all the unique character interactions we've missed the first time around. The amount of steps and quests and secret items needed for each one of them is honestly so baffling and convoluted, how would any sane being ever find anything of this on their own without using any guides and not being someone like Zully or Vaati. Holy shit
- That sounds like some fun RP. And yeah, it's unbelievable. I played for the first time completely blind, but taking notes in a notepad, and I was able to figure out more than usual in these games, but I still missed more than I found.
  
  Are you used to taking notes in video games? I feel like it's kind of a relic of the past where you had to take notes because information about games was few and far between and usually reserved to magazines and stuff, so I haven't had to take notes ever. I think it could be quite rewarding if you're patient enough

This is what ultimately put me off Elden Ring. After a while, it just became impossible to achieve anything without reading some guide. And yeah, I know, maidenless, skill issue etc.