Can any of you liberals explain to me why democrats never closed down Gitmo and turned it over to the Cuban people?
Can any of you liberals explain to me why democrats never closed down Gitmo and turned it over to the Cuban people?
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"See, tankies? If socialism works, then why does Cuba have a giant concentration camp?"
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"That's what you get tankies, Gaza crybabies, and minorities. What was happening quietly during the democrats now happens openly. I'm going to post this on r/leopardsatemyface for some heckin updoots"
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Obama's game with Gitmo was to pretend that all those random Lebanese cab drivers Bush kidnapped had to be kept imprisoned forever, then go around the country begging chud governors to let him lock them up in various local prisons. When this was obviously rejected he just sort of shrugged and said there was no other solution.
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It’s going to be 4 years of talking about a nonexistant party while Trump does awful shit, isn’t it?
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I seem to recall there were two major issues regarding Gitmo. The desire to shut it down was real, but the first problem was figuring out where to transfer all the “prisoners of war” to. No federal or international institutions wanted them. Second, the cost of litigation for all the potential claims of improper detention skyrocket when you release long term prisoners without due process. What Obama found out was that the cost of maintaining a black prison for undesirables was much cheaper than the liability incurred by shutting it down and finding now homes/outcomes for the inmates. Sunk cost fallacy.
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Sounds like the desire to close it down wasn't real if the reasons it wasn't basically boil down to "we want to keep imprisoning people there"
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That would be a problem for a country which doesn't operate blacksites in heart of eu legal regime (poland), or dozens in middle east.
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"These 12 Senate Democrats voted for the Laken Riley Act" - the list of dems who voted to create the US's first concentration camp since 1946 includes Ossoff and Warnock. Vote blue no matter who.
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I remember this being a big thing before Obama got elected. And then it didn't happen and no one brought it up again.
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I remember this as well, and it was even a big thing (for a short while) after he got elected. For the first couple of weeks into his presidency there was a deluge of news articles almost every single day of things he said he was going to do, like ending wars in the Middle East. I remember one article was about him saying he was going to close Guantanamo Bay, and all the libs in the comments were like "Damn, this guy is on a roll! He going to fix all of Bush' mistakes and restore America's reputation! Good job, Obama!". And then of course none of those things actually happened, and libs went back to sleep. It was around that time when my radicalization process began.
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Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, good cop bad cop is the role-play / Those are real men don't forget / Locked up no charge four years and counting / And the pressure ain't really mounting / cause you media bods wanna keep your jobs / and you radio knobs wanna keep your jobs / And the good DJ's get nighttime slots / it's a load of crap, like planes made them two towers collapse / Like that? straight down? You're mad! / When we're old and grey kids'll be like "Mum! Dad! / surely Bush and Co were the enemy?" / Same way no one believes these days Oswald killed Kennedy / Change foreign policy the remedy / This was a war about energy supply / "It weren't about terror" that's a goddamn lie / And it's even been proved that our leader's lied / And the war on terror's racism in disguise / And we still don't vote when foreigners die.
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I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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- : “That would have AlIeNaTeD tHe WoRkInG cLaSs!1!1!1!”
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parliamentarian said no sorry
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it wasn't exactly the parliamentarian but functionally it was a 'respect the process' type self-imposed roadblock by ocrumbo. the bush years had seen a bunch of people captured and held prisoner with no due process and letting them out would have meant having a process to deal with the fact that there was no due process, and presumably some level of accountability. imposing accountability gives libs a tummyache and so instead they just punted the issue
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sorry parliamentarian says
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Yup. I think it was that none of the states wanted them in their backyard, but you think he would've been able to figure something out if they weren't so obsessed with process. Everyone was worried terrorists would be released on their street corner, so there was no real path through Congress or the governors. They should've just released them if they were being held with no charge, but oh well.
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Parliamentary?
More like Nazimentarian.
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Serious question. Are their large decommissioned prisons in the US itself that Trump could use to make the undocumented suffer?
I'd bet money he'll start doing it this year. It's illegal but that's no biggie. Trump just needs to say the magic words "official act" and then it's legal.
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Right wing parties across the imperial core have largely pushed for migrant internment camps outside of their borders during the last years. Now, if Trump also plans to expand the prison-industrial complex, he could obviously just do that, but i'm expecting additional camps to be something like the Tories' plans for camps in Uganda, the EU's camps in Libya or the prison islands Australia has been using for a while.
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You make a good point. But it's my wild hunch Trump is going to use the "official acts" stuff because he wants to be special and as an extra special bonus - it will drive the libs absolutely insane. For example - if Trump says "I'm gonna make the first Foreign Enemies Jail in Denver..." and that night Joy Reid totally loses her shit on her show about Trump's racism because that was her hometown when she was growing up. She swears and is unseemly so the next day MSBNC says she's "on a vacation" as the execs try to figure out what to do.
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They could reopen Alcatraz I guess
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That would be surreal. And Trump would love that too. He could make endless jokes about the city across the water - dirty, bad, liberal San Francisco
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Obama promised to do this every single year. When he didn't it was never going to happen
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Sure, that's easy. They like it
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Because they are controlled opposition and nothing more
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Because Trump would have called them communist in 2009 and that's a loss greater than they could bear.
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this is Cubazuela's tankie regime's fault
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The gosh darn parliamentarian
also we had to keep it open for national security, the adults in the room understands this
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I'm one of the liberals on this site (jk, I'm the only leftist here but I'll still answer your question) and it's because the Democrats are also incredibly evil.
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Hey lefties, I heard you like Gaza, a concentration camp full of refugees. If it's so great, why haven't they made Gaza 2?
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Oklahoma 2
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Trump 2 or jr Bush 3?
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It is because they are fascists.
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He's prolly gonna send them somewhere else...
Can't say if its worse for the prisoners, but prolly good for Cuba's national sobrenia (then again, there must be a caveat/stipulation)
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